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pr0j3c1 turbo 3800 71k mile guru wheelie machine by Justinbart
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Originally posted by Tweeder:


Looks like you ran the curb at that point, the camera shifted.



which vid? I didn't notice it.
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Is it still doing it after the mini tuning session we had? I though it was driving better but I don't think the tune completely fixed the issue.
I know you were throwing trans errors but I am NOT sure what was causing them. I'm sure I can figure it out IF I can play around with the various settings and see how they respond.


I was referring to when my swap first was put on the road. The issue u worked on got much better after the tuning seccion. I think the little issues I have now is non tuning. Parked the Fiero when I picked up the GTP until I can pull motor for a refresh.

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which vid? I didn't notice it.


The last one.

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I assume the TCC settings. Do you have higher line pressure on cruise tables?

Is it still doing it after the mini tuning session we had? I though it was driving better but I don't think the tune completely fixed the issue.
I know you were throwing trans errors but I am NOT sure what was causing them. I'm sure I can figure it out IF I can play around with the various settings and see how they respond.


Scott said it's all stock...

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This is really making me want a turbocharged 3800...
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This is really making me want a turbocharged 3800...


Same here, but at least I got a good start to work with...
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Scott said it's all stock...



Change them to 2004 GTP settings.
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Scott says there is no line pressure or cruise table
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Same here, but at least I got a good start to work with...


Yes and I have a pace car I could do an engine swap in...

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All better

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All better




What was the fix?
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What was the fix?


Pushing Scott to do something. You'll have to ask him what all he changed. It's great now. It can easily be putted around town without even knowing it has a high stall. It seems to have really good street manners now.

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What was the fix?
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Here is the anti-lag difference. As soon as it start making boost it pushes the front tires. It dead nuts at 3500 rpm when it pushes the tires. Keep in mind it was around 28*f out. After this video Scott changed it from -14* timing advance to -6* timing advance and it responded a lot better. At -14 is bogged the engine down quite a bit.


Did a little run. Windows up with the full exhaust. I waited a second before punching it to save the tires from spinning. It made my stomach hurt a little. This thing may actually do wheelies at the track.


I'm thinking about ditching the boost controller for now. I don't like how the boost is moving around so much.
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Originally posted by Justinbart:

Here is the anti-lag difference. As soon as it start making boost it pushes the front tires. It dead nuts at 3500 rpm when it pushes the tires. Keep in mind it was around 28*f out. After this video Scott changed it from -14* timing advance to -6* timing advance and it responded a lot better. At -14 is bogged the engine down quite a bit.

Thanks, + 1 4 U
I really appreciate the Video.....I guess I HAVE TO run Anti-lag....as that $h!T was awesome.
So the Stall Spec is accurate as hell...
 
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I'm thinking about ditching the boost controller for now. I don't like how the boost is moving around so much.

The controller is suppose to help NOT hurt. What Spring is in the gate?

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I really appreciate the Video.....I guess I HAVE TO run Anti-lag....as that $h!T was awesome.



I think the anti-lag is magic....
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Originally posted by Justinbart:

Here is the anti-lag difference. As soon as it start making boost it pushes the front tires. It dead nuts at 3500 rpm when it pushes the tires. Keep in mind it was around 28*f out. After this video Scott changed it from -14* timing advance to -6* timing advance and it responded a lot better. At -14 is bogged the engine down quite a bit.


Did a little run. Windows up with the full exhaust. I waited a second before punching it to save the tires from spinning. It made my stomach hurt a little. This thing may actually do wheelies at the track.

I'm thinking about ditching the boost controller for now. I don't like how the boost is moving around so much.


Is it actually pushing the front tires, or just over powering the brakes? The brakes on it are new, but not much of an upgrade over stock (fierostore big front brakes, new rear brakes, big bore master, dual diaphragm booster, and all new lines and hoses, sadly it has the "good" brake pads that need to be heated up to work well).

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The brakes feel really good. The front tiers are locked and it's just skidding forward. It doesn't matter with anti lag.

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the fiero brakes are horrid for trying to spool turbos.. the balance is front heavy and not much pressure stays in the rear for any length of time.
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How much more boost are you going to put to it? I saw 15psi.

I really want to use my cosmetic gaskets to push the PSI envelope but....I think the stockers can take 19psi without issue.... Maybe 20

However, Since I have CNC heads then 19PSI may be all I need to take over on the 1/4 list...

Hell, Formula may be the first 3800 Fiero to run a 9.
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the fiero brakes are horrid for trying to spool turbos.. the balance is front heavy and not much pressure stays in the rear for any length of time.


I get that it comes down to cfm, and that bigger turbo = more cfm, but if it's mainly a track car, why not use a slightly smaller turbo that may not have as much flow but will spool quicker? Will it not make a difference after a certain point?

Also, why did you repurpose your ST2? Are you going with something else?
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Formulas goal was at least 11's. LOL

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Formulas goal was at least 11's. LOL




Question, how much HP would you say gets lost through a manual in your car? I know you guys aren't big on dynos but if you made 550 WHP what level would you say your BHP would be at? Just curious about my own numbers.
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How much more boost are you going to put to it? I saw 15psi.

I really want to use my cosmetic gaskets to push the PSI envelope but....I think the stockers can take 19psi without issue.... Maybe 20

However, Since I have CNC heads then 19PSI may be all I need to take over on the 1/4 list...

Hell, Formula may be the first 3800 Fiero to run a 9.


If you have the heads off, why wouldn't you put MLS gaskets back on if you have them? I picked up some used ones this week for next time...

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Question, how much HP would you say gets lost through a manual in your car? I know you guys aren't big on dynos but if you made 550 WHP what level would you say your BHP would be at? Just curious about my own numbers.


Who cares.

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Hell, Formula may be the first 3800 Fiero to run a 9.


I would put my bet on dh
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If you have the heads off, why wouldn't you put MLS gaskets back on if you have them? I picked up some used ones this week for next time...




Why would they seal the second time if they didn't the first. Installer used copper RTV?
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Why would they seal the second time if they didn't the first. Installer used copper RTV?


Use 2 cans of copper spray and spray multiple coats on each side of each layer of metal on each gasket. Do it in a well ventilated area...it's good stuff.

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Who cares.



Pretty much what I expected.
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I get that it comes down to cfm, and that bigger turbo = more cfm, but if it's mainly a track car, why not use a slightly smaller turbo that may not have as much flow but will spool quicker? Will it not make a difference after a certain point?

Also, why did you repurpose your ST2? Are you going with something else?


I want to run 8s.
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I want to run 8s.


I assume you'll need significant changes in other areas in order to get the power to the ground? You going past "daily driver" levels with the car now? Good luck on the 8's.
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Use 2 cans of copper spray and spray multiple coats on each side of each layer of metal on each gasket. Do it in a well ventilated area...it's good stuff.



i am curious why you guys use copper spray when Cometic says not to (and they are specific about not using copper spray)?
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i am curious why you guys use copper spray when Cometic says not to (and they are specific about not using copper spray)?


Because they don't seal properly...
 
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the "no copper spray" is recommended on aluminum heads.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:

the "no copper spray" is recommended on aluminum heads.


What about stock heads, is it ok for added assurance?

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Holy crap those videos are awesome, anti-lag is the shizz-nit. I'm so building one of these.
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LOL this cracks me up man. I mean I KNOW DH and company are kind of smart asses and always annoy many on here with their comments. The funny thing is that these guys are ALSO the only ones who routinely post REAL videos of Fiero's with built 3800 turbo engines in them hauling major ass and working properly. It is even more impressive when you realize that these guys are apparently just a bunch of kids.... My hat's off to you guys you may not know how to make an engine bay look all that pretty (pretty is a relative term here, to me pretty is something that WORKS no matter how much paint or polish it has) but you sure as hell know how to make a fiero GO!!! That boost setup is really cool and watching the video it almost looks like it has some kinda line lock or something and then it is GONE..... that should be a really quick car. What do you figure the max boost to be on that monster? Peace

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Maybe 18psi. I don't know. It may be safe now while it's bellow freezing out and not safe when it's 90*+. Hopefully we get some warm weather before formula want's it back.

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Maybe 18psi. I don't know. It may be safe now while it's bellow freezing out and not safe when it's 90*+. Hopefully we get some warm weather before formula want's it back.



I'm not in any rush. I wouldn't mind you guys testing it out when it's warmer anyway to make sure the axles and everything hold up running at the track
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I know AL is better for a number of different reasons if you can hook while launching under boost but I gotta ask...Why not 2 step for some sweet ass fireballs?
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