All we are is dust in the wind.

He is not. He is ashes, burning in hell.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: He is not. He is ashes, burning in hell.

Against euthanasia, or just his brand of it?

quote Originally posted by cliffw: He is not. He is ashes, burning in hell.

If you could spend a day with my mother, you'd probably change your mind.
A former schoolteacher and world traveler, she's now 94 years old, blind, incontinent (colon cancer), and losing the ability to put words to thoughts.
She sits in her own poo all day, every day, just waiting to die.
This has been going on for over three years.

Change her diaper a few times, then walk a mile in those shoes, tough guy.
Oh wait. She can't walk or change her own diaper, either.

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RIP, Dr. Death.

We are such a sad species, so much potential, so little common sense. Argue over the most assinine things, thinking they actually matter, because it's all we have.

Maybe he was a monster, I know very little about him. But to right to choose how and when you die seems pretty darn fundamental...

I just keep thinking "oh, so this must be how people felt back when [insert stupid old way of thinking or acting]." Our kids and grandkids are (hopefully) gonna look at US the same way...

I understand that many people are against assisted suicide or suicide in general because of religious reasons. But it's only because of religious reasons and it silly.

Physician assisted suicide should be legal and it should be regularly practice. Keeping suffering people alive for religious reasons or to defy the wishes of those who want to end their lives is cruel and unusual punishment in my book. The religious folks need to get over "their souls will go to hell or purgatory" doctrine.

Even Jesus was assisted in his suicide.

quote Originally posted by Wichita: Even Jesus was assisted in his suicide.

LOL okay.

He was a good, decent man and human being, who believed passionately in his cause. The level of hatred directed his way is more a reflection of the people doing the hating than anything else.

I watched my mom dwindle and die for a year and a half and she endured a physical suffering no human being should during that time .She never asked for anyone to end it, but had she.... well, if in that position you cannot understand such a request, it is because you have never been in that position and good for you.

Funny, doctors assist people all the time, yet people don't like talking about it. At least Jack brought it to the front, to discuss. The guy was a little wacko at times, but we should have options when it comes to handling our own death. Why make people suffer when they don't have to?

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: If you could spend a day with my mother, you'd probably change your mind. A former schoolteacher and world traveler, she's now 94 years old, blind, incontinent (colon cancer), and losing the ability to put words to thoughts. She sits in her own poo all day, every day, just waiting to die. This has been going on for over three years. Change her diaper a few times, then walk a mile in those shoes, tough guy. Oh wait. She can't walk or change her own diaper, either.

Then why haven't you killed her yet?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Then why haven't you killed her yet?

Thats pretty uncalled for. Whether you like Neptune or not, whether you believe in assisted suicide or not...

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quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Then why haven't you killed her yet?

Because current laws won't allow anyone to help her.... which is just screwed up.

(Wait.. did I just defend Neptune???.... GEEZ!)

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: Thats pretty uncalled for. Whether you like Neptune or not, whether you believe in assisted suicide or not...

My comment may be crass but it is not without merrit. I want to know why he has not killed her yet. There are a number of possible reasons but I want to hear his.

BTW, I have "walked a mile in those shoes". I have taken care of loved ones that can't take care of themselves. Ironically, they live in Oregon that has a euthanasia law. Towards the end they could have just had their doctor kill them but they chose not to.

just another issue which should have no g'ment say either way.

either way - Kevorkian did what he and many other, especially those he helped, think is proper and right. your opinion has zero impact, and their choice has zero impact.

leave this up to those involved.

And actually that's the bottom line regardless of what each of us thinks: It's all about choice. Whether you agree with my choice or I disagree with yours doesn't make either side of the argument right or wrong

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Then why haven't you killed her yet?

If Pennock allowed multiple ratings you'd get another one from me for this...

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Then why haven't you killed her yet?

Wow, such compassion.

Because of selfish, ignorant people like you, there are still laws in the books in most jurisdictions which can result in serious consequences being brought against friends or family members who try to assist a suffering, dying loved one from fulfilling their last request... freedom from pain and death with dignity.

We're allowed to treat our pets better than this. Makes no sense.

Through his actions, Jack Kevorkian was trying to bring to the forefront the injustice of these barbaric restrictions. History will show that he was ahead of his time, a man who sacrificed his own well-being (sentenced to prison) for the betterment of society.

Rest in peace, Jack Kevorkian. Thank-you for helping others achieve this same goal.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: Wow, such compassion. Because of selfish, ignorant people like you, there are still laws in the books in most jurisdictions which can result in serious consequences being brought against friends or family members who try to assist a suffering, dying loved one from fulfilling their last request... freedom from pain and death with dignity. We're allowed to treat our pets better. Makes no sense. Through his actions, Jack Kevorkian was trying to bring to the forefront the injustice of these barbaric restrictions. History will show that he was ahead of his time, a man who sacrificed his own well-being (prison) for the betterment of society.

Sure, lay it all on me. I'm flattered that you give me so much control over your life.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: I'm flattered that you give me so much control over your life.

As an individual, you have NO control over my life, and for that I am thankful.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: If Pennock allowed multiple ratings you'd get another one from me for this...

Good thing this board has rules.

Speaking of which, why aren't you crying about this thread not being labeled POLITICAL. I guess you don't complain when the thread is started by one of your buddies.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: As an individual, you have NO control over my life, and for that I am thankful.

Good. You understand basic civics then.

Speaking of selfish people, notice something missing from Neptune's post? Something very critical. I'll give you a few minutes to think about it.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Good thing this board has rules. Speaking of which, why aren't you crying about this thread not being labeled POLITICAL. I guess you don't complain when the thread is started by one of your buddies.

You are so clueless it's beyond comical. Maybe if you spent more time reading you'd be up to date on events around here.

quote Originally posted by JazzMan: You are so clueless it's beyond comical. Maybe if you spent more time reading you'd be up to date on events around here.

No thanks. I only read threads that I want to read. I don't stalk people nor do I have the time or patience to read everything.

If you are past your thread labelling tantrum, then good for you.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Good thing this board has rules. Speaking of which, why aren't you crying about this thread not being labeled POLITICAL. I guess you don't complain when the thread is started by one of your buddies.

hmmm - you maybe right.
so, are the republicans for or against assisted suicide?

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: hmmm - you maybe right. so, are the republicans for or against assisted suicide?

Was Jack Kevorkian a Democrat or Republican?

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Was Jack Kevorkian a Democrat or Republican?

dunno....so, I guess trying to make this political aint gonna work......

edit: had to look - independant. yay.

so - back to original Q: (an attempt to make this political )

Are republicans for or against assisted suicide?

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: dunno....so, I guess trying to make this political aint gonna work......

Euthanasia is not a political topic?

Not on this planet.

I don't understand why everyone is ragging on Doug....

So you are for assisting someone in suicide as long as you aren't the one doing it?
Get off Doug's back about his post on the matter. Neptune came on here and delivered an attack, not simply an opinion. Doug challenged him back. If Neptune is so mad that others have restricted doctors from killing their patients, then why doesn't he do it himself if he truly believes that is the most compassionate thing? It's not an unreasonable question, and it's not asking Neptune to kill his mom. NOBODY wants that.

It's pathetic how some people will reduce any topic, no matter what it is, to politics. I guess that's their way of dealing with issues. Makes it so much easier not having to make a personal decision. Just go with the flow of their political party. Spineless sheep.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Euthanasia is not a political topic? Not on this planet.

why would it be? the g'ment should have nothing to say one way or another about it

edit:
but - anyways -still dodging the actual Q, eh, are republicans for or against assisted suicide?
trying to make this political - but - just not working.....

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quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: trying...just not working....maybe I'm doing it wrong? is assisted suicide conservative or liberal?

Perhaps we should try a different label...

Is assisted suicide Christian or Islamic?

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: If you could spend a day with my mother, you'd probably change your mind. A former schoolteacher and world traveler, she's now 94 years old, blind, incontinent (colon cancer), and losing the ability to put words to thoughts. She sits in her own poo all day, every day, just waiting to die. This has been going on for over three years. Change her diaper a few times, then walk a mile in those shoes, tough guy. Oh wait. She can't walk or change her own diaper, either.

neptune, normally i think that you can't see the forest thru the trees.. but this is dead on... neg removed, plus given... good luck and well wishs for you and your mom

=todd=

quote Originally posted by theBDub: I don't understand why everyone is ragging on Doug....

Because he said this:

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: Then why haven't you killed her yet?

In response to Neptune saying this:

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: If you could spend a day with my mother, you'd probably change your mind. A former schoolteacher and world traveler, she's now 94 years old, blind, incontinent (colon cancer), and losing the ability to put words to thoughts. She sits in her own poo all day, every day, just waiting to die. This has been going on for over three years. Change her diaper a few times, then walk a mile in those shoes, tough guy. Oh wait. She can't walk or change her own diaper, either.

People hang on to life and live well beyond anything that will even come close to "life"
While it should be a personal choice lots of times its taken away from them. I would not want to be stuck in a bed clinging to life for the only purpose of drawing one more breath. When it is clear that I will never get better and only worse I would like to have the choice. I would not want to be placed in a position of burden on those I love.

Neptune I don't like a lot of things you say on here but if that is the case the I will pray for your mother to be at peace and that an end of her suffering.

quote Towards the end they could have just had their doctor kill them but they chose not to.

Kervorkian assisted people in giving them another choice to help them end their suffering quickly, painlessly, in a non-violent way, and with some dignity. The people that made the choice to go this route knew exactly what they were doing when they contacted him to help them accomplish this. He didn't actually kill any of them, he only set up the apparatus and medications/chemicals, they pushed the button that sent them into eternity. If it is a sin to help others end their suffering, then he is burning in hell. Is it a sin for them to take their own life? Only they know for sure.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

People hang on to life and live well beyond anything that will even come close to "life"
While it should be a personal choice lots of times its taken away from them. I would not want to be stuck in a bed clinging to life for the only purpose of drawing one more breath. When it is clear that I will never get better and only worse I would like to have the choice. I would not want to be placed in a position of burden on those I love.

We will all eventually face death one way or another. I also would like the choice if the oulook for me was the same as Jake mentioned above.

Since no one seems to see it, I'll say it.

What is missing from Neptune's post is anything relating to his mother's desire to live or die. He clearly has judged her life not worth living. Does she deem it not worth living?

I find it interesting that a certain group of people lump me into the anti-euthanasia group. I gave a hint of my position in this post. It seems these same people think this is a left/right issue. It is political but it is not a political party line issue.

I am for euthanasia with strict controls and with a strict seperation between the medical professionals who are sworn to keep you alive and the, for lack of a better word, executioners who end your life. The same person who is diagnosing you should not be the same person who does the injection to kill you.

Backpedaling...