Cliff Pennock Do not post another member's personal information without his/her consent! So you got really angry with another member and feel you should post his personal information like name, address, telephone number or other private info without his consent. Don't. This is cause for an immediate, nonnegotiable ban from PFF.
You can consider yourself reported. Expect an immediate ban
I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Are you sure you aren't one of the previously banned members from the haters forum? You sure act like one of them.
phonedawgz has been on almost exactly a year, has 6800+ (yes, >18 per day) and has a non-informative profile, typical of trolls. he came up with the avengador 5-10 over quote mighty quick, too. watching him wriggle and spin makes me wonder if he came here for a particular reason. who got banned in the week prior to his registering here?
Trust me, I surely didn't post 6800 posts just to get someone banned.
Cliff has all my personal input from when I logged in.
I would think Avenger1 found my information the same way I found his previous posts. A google search. Google his name, and the word "speed". You will find his posts. I highly doubted he was telling the truth and with the amount of posts he has posted on here I figured the real truth was out there. It was.
It's the black and white thinking that argued him into the corner. Once he said anyone who was a speeder was immoral it just invited me to search for him to have said otherwise.
It's unfortunate that someone who has so many posts on here would be so arrogant to break the rules and get banned but it's what he did.
[This message has been edited by phonedawgz (edited 12-31-2010).]
i doubt anyone is getting banned here, but between you, me, and avengador, you would be the easiest. iirc, it takes a ratio of about 4 negs to 1 plus (or is it 5/1?) so it would take several hundred negs to ban me, and probably a thousand or more to ban avengador.
If somehow I could see how pressing the buttons to text K was inherently more dangerous than dialing the buttons to say K, you could convince me. Clearly it's not 100 times more dangerous to press the same amount of keys. I still have to look at the display to dial. If you called me I still would glance to see what the display says. Both operations are of about the same dangerous level.
Again when you say pressing the buttons to text K is 100 times more dangerous than pressing the same buttons to call, it clearly shows me you don't understand the 'gray' of EVERY activity.
Dont take offense to this phonedawgz, cause i like you, and normally when i read your posts, i agree with what you say, cause we seem to think in a similar way on alot of things.. But..
Your response to my post shows me that you, either didn't fully read my post, or you just didn't understand it. But based on your response, you obviously didnt take the time to actually read it. I never said nor insinuated that taking the time to type in a phone number to call, instead of just texting "K" was safer.. On the contrary, i would consider that even MORE dangerous.. People shouldn't be on the phone AT ALL, weather talking or texting while they drive down the road..
But i do hear, and understand your argument for other "activities" while driving, and agree with most of them..
Eating is definatly a problem when driving, i see it all the time.. At least one hand is busy, plus your stuffing crap into your face, a definate distraction, and i myself, dont eat while im driving.. Although ill admit, its not really safety that makes me not do it, mainly its because i drive a stick, and its a pain to try to drink a coke, or eat a burger or something while driving and having to shift gears..
Smoking while driving.. I guess that could be a problem, kinda a hard call on that one, and i am definatly guilty of it. But iv never felt the need to take my eyes off the road to smoke, or even light a cigarette..
You also mentioned messing with the radio while driving.. This one i do agree with, but it seems to depend on the person i think. Iv been riding with friends before that seem to need to look down at their radio to work it. But iv never had too, i guess i just know my way around my dashboard, i know where all the buttons for everything are without looking, so if having to "look" to fiddle with your radio is a problem for you, then maby you should get to know the interior of your car better.. I dunno.
One could even argue, well i know the buttons on my phone by heart (but not my stereo!) so i can text or dial my phone without looking at it.. Thats great! But when you want to read a text from your friend, you have no choice but to look away from the road, which puts yourself, your passenger, and all people around you in danger..
But hey, who am i to say anything.. Im not perfect, iv done my share of speeding, and breaking of traffic laws, especially in my younger days. But thats because i was young, and stupid..
Your a great guy phonedawgz.. So dont get too deep into this.. Just be careful out there ok bud..
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Well I hear what you are saying re- no phone AND no texting. Actually that attitude makes some sense to me. Our state says it's ok to call but not ok to text. That's the attitude that makes no sense to me. Clearly there are people who are obsessed with the idea that texting is horrible but other distractions are acceptable. I'm not trying to say you are one of those.
It's a whole lot like when other groups get on the bandwagon for some particular cause. And they see the world in just the good and bad/ the black and white.
Yeah I see where I misread your post. Sorry about that. ---
I read somewhere that said in states that banned texting that the number of accidents from people texting hasn't dropped. The ban just makes people hide their phones more which in itself causes more accidents is what they said. I find that to be kinda dubious since it would be very hard to obtain those statistics. ---
I'm sure I have said it more than once, and I'm sure those who actually read my posts know this but I do not support the idea of texting on busy highways or city streets.
It sucks that the US is about the last country to get the New Year. I propose the US move the international date line so we can get it first. We own the UN right? I mean it IS in New York City.
Three more hours for us to get it.
[This message has been edited by phonedawgz (edited 12-31-2010).]
i was in the middle of adding more to my post when you responded phonedawgz.. (dont you wish you could stop time while editing, lol.) I just want to make sure you read what i added, so you know, that while i disagree with you on texting or talking on the phone while driving, i totally hear wear your coming from when it comes too other activities people do behind the wheel..
You also mentioned messing with the radio while driving.. This one i do agree with, but it seems to depend on the person i think. Iv been riding with friends before that seem to need to look down at their radio to work it. But iv never had too, i guess i just know my way around my dashboard, i know where all the buttons for everything are without looking, so if having to "look" to fiddle with your radio is a problem for you, then maby you should get to know the interior of your car better.. I dunno.
One could even argue, well i know the buttons on my phone by heart (but not my stereo!) so i can text or dial my phone without looking at it.. Thats great! But when you want to read a text from your friend, you have no choice but to look away from the road, which puts yourself, your passenger, and all people around you in danger..
But we all take our eyes off the road to look at the dash ect. We all do the glance around thing. So even if you have the buttons of your dash memorized you still look at your gauges. You still look at other things.
Again it's I'm not trying to argue that texting is a good idea, but what I am saying is texting is only a different distraction. There are also a lot of other distractions.
Originally posted by Phonedawgz Happy New Year Cliff.
It sucks that the US is about the last country to get the New Year. I propose the US move the international date line so we can get it first. We own the UN right? I mean it IS in New York City.
Three more hours for us to get it.
Kissing Cliff's butt will not gain you any brownie points, but it will gain you a brown nose.
See you all next year.
[This message has been edited by avengador1 (edited 01-05-2011).]
But we all take our eyes off the road to look at the dash ect. We all do the glance around thing. So even if you have the buttons of your dash memorized you still look at your gauges. You still look at other things.
Again it's I'm not trying to argue that texting is a good idea, but what I am saying is texting is only a different distraction. There are also a lot of other distractions.
Well. yes. it's called paying attention to what's going on around you. Tunnel vision is bad in a car, you need to know what's happening all around you so you can respond. One must check their speed in order to know if they are within it's limit. Glancing at your mirrors, over your shoulder for a lane change or at your dash gauges is a very poor example. Those things are taught and required for driving, if you don't do them you will fail your behind the wheel test.
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Originally posted by Phonedawgz Sorry you are incorrect.
Bye
You aren't all you pretend to be and a little searching would provide those facts. I Googled your name and came up with this image of you.
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Originally posted by Phonedawgz I'm sure I have said it more than once, and I'm sure those who actually read my posts know this but I do not support the idea of texting on busy highways or city streets.
Do I detect dome back pedaling? As I said before, you don't get it. You shouldn't support texting and driving at any time while driving. You have a habit of comparing apples to oranges and claiming they are just different shades of gray. You also try to make it seem like I have claimed that I never speed. You seem to be implying this by repeatedly quoting my 5 to 10 MPH over the limit statement. I said and did that, so what? It's in the past. If you want to see how fast I have driven all you need to do is to search the archives. It's all there and has nothing to do with texting and driving. My statement about driving with my cruise control on and in the right lane stands, as that is how I have been driving for almost two years now. That is the reality now, not what you are trying to imply. Trying to use my past statements to call me a liar does not work except in your twisted faulty logic. If you peed your bed when you were a kid does that mean you still are a bedwetter? You are using a deflection tactic to draw attention away from the real topic of the discussion and your shortcomings, when it comes to driving. The truth is you can't show that I am lying, because I am not. The past is the past and the present is the present, you can't change that or seem to be able to comprehend it. You, on the other hand, have bragged that you break the law and text and drive. It doesn't matter how crowded or deserted the road is you are doing this on, it isn't safe and it is Illegal. There is no shade of gray and there is no excuse for this. You know if you are seen doing this that you will be stopped and ticketed, but you still try to justify doing it. There is no justification. You are a bad example of what one should be doing while driving and are too ignorant to realize this. You have this false sense of pride and smugness that makes you want to defend your erroneous position. One day you will find that you definitely are wrong, there are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. Let's just hope you don't take any innocents along with you when it happens. Darwin and Murphy will be very happy to accommodate you if you don't smarten up. No amount of excuses, deflecting, ignorance, denial, chest pounding, or back pedaling will save you from this.
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When one adamantly says that their actions are no worse, or even less bad than other actions, they are minimizing, virtually to the point of "nill", the potentially bad outcomes of their own actions and decisions. That, is a lie people tell themselves to justify or rationalize their actions. There's a reason states and munincipalities have seen fit to pass these laws, and it based on research that have shown conclusively (opinion) that texting while driving is unsafe enough to warrant that legislation. For anyone to ignore that, and say their actions are justified based solely on the fact that it is no worse or less worse than other bad practices is for all intents and purposes, an untruth. It is the same dumb thought process, that people use to speed, race, and drive under the influence. I have yet to talk to or see a drunk driver that didn't say the same thing ("I'm good to drive, no problem, I've done it forever and never had a wreck") That, of course, is an outright untruth. They are simply refusing to acknowledge, based on their previous "good luck", that they are putting others and themselves at a completely un-neccessary risk. No doubt, the transit driver that I quoted several pages back, had also texted before with no adverse outcome, but the results that day was not good.
In light of all your positive and well thought out inputs in tech and GFC Phonedawg, your mentoring to young people, which had to include advise on good decision making policies, it is amazing to me that you would take this stance, based solely on misdirection and spin the subject toward what is done involving other bad practices. To have to go down that avenue to present your argument, should tell you something. You are evidently an experienced driver, and I have no idea what your driving record is, other than what you state here, but bad practices almost always catch up sooner or later, and far too often, it is the other guy--the innocent guy that pays most of the price for a poor decision making process. It's at that "too late" point, that all this justification/spin/rationalization will be for naught. My own driving record, is not spotless, tho I doubt there is anything on it currently, as the last infraction was over 30 years ago, and was 10 miles over speed limit. (65 in a 55 back in the late 70s). Prior to that, a 45 in a 35, and that is the extent of my bad driving record, and I am 60. I was invloved in a minor Houston accident in '77 that was not my fault. I don't text and drive, not because it's illegal, but because I know it is a major distraction and research shows that. I rarely have the radio on and if so, it is down in volume and I really don't even listen to it. Unless I am in the Indy, my calls come and go thru the hands off OnStar phone. One button on the overhead console, and I don't even have to take my eyes off the road for that. I do not take or make calls while in the Indy while driving. There is just nothing that goes on with my phone that can't wait till I pull over somewhere. And if all you are doing is acknowledging (k) a message, that should give you some indication of just how comparativly unimportant that message really was as well. Feel free to neg me for my thoughts and posts on this subject if you wish, but I am right and you know it.
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I can't understand how a thread like this can become four pages and go in the trash can, when nobody's even mentioned that it was proven by an australian university that the biggest distraction of all, above smoking, cellphones etc is actually having children in the car. Go figure.
I can't understand how a thread like this can become four pages and go in the trash can, when nobody's even mentioned that it was proven by an australian university that the biggest distraction of all, above smoking, cellphones etc is actually having children in the car. Go figure.
Of course having children in a car is dangerous and a huge distraction. Somebody's gotta yell "BREATHE!" and "PUSH" and watch for the baby's head and then be there immediately to cut the cord.
Correct, nothing to argue about, phonedawgz posts are so stupid I worry about contagion.
Most phrase it much better than I, but needed to check in just to add how effing stupid phonedawgz attitude is. Thank you for the opportunity, rarely do I get to be rude without any niggling doubts at all about being in the right.
Nothing else printable, so again I thank phonedawgz for being ignorant enough for this guilt free vent, dead people turn gray, too, don't make it OK.
Nothing wrong with taking an occasional stupid pill. Sure it hurts when you go public under the influence, but it is not fatal.
Of course if you cannot take the consequences do not swallow the stupid pill and get beligerent with the results.
Instead of "oops, a fu..up" you decided to take the stupid pill with a stupid chaser and follow through with actions harder to reconcile. Sure does make you look like a puss, or is that what is going on? Are you a puss with a hurt vagina and you aren't going to play 'cause of a stupid stand you took?
Ha Ha Ha I'm not even mad 'cause you advocate deadly driving. You a pity full joke now and I just gotta smile.
For those new to this thread, phonedawgz started a new thread where he quits PFF over this thread and recommends everybody quit. snicker snicker
Just because he can't take the heat, for being wrong, he wants everyone to leave? All he had to do was man up to being wrong and all would have been forgiven. He reminds me of Cartman and sounds about as mature as him too.
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Originally posted by Phonedawgz Well I told the truth at post 2,000. The truth just didn't last that long. Comming out of retirement is a tradition here in Green Bay.
So he admits to being a liar and jokes about it? I wouldn't worry about his promise to leave then. Even I said it once, as have others. In the end we all came back, except for one who shall remain unmentioned.
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I can't understand how a thread like this can become four pages and go in the trash can
My thoughts exactly!
I saw this in O/T the other day but never did I think it'd end up in the trash can.
I'm guilty. I text while driving. Eer, I did.
I got a new phone about a month ago that makes it almost impossible for me to text and drive at the same time. It's one of those touch-screen "smart" phone things. Right after I got it I was attempting to reply to a text message when I almost ran off the side of the road, corrected to stay on the road and jerked the wheel a little too hard and felt just how top heavy my SUV really is. Thankfully I didn't flip over but I sure thought I was going to. At that point, I realized I needed to learn how to use the voice option that comes on my phone. I can speak into it and it will type a text out with what I tell it too. It's a little frustrating at first, but once I learned how picky the voice command was it was smooth sailing. I typically will not send a text now unless I am stopped at a light or something...it's just too dangerous!
My last phone that I had I didn't even have to look down at the phone while I was texting. Was it safe? HECK NO...did I do it anyway? YEP
Texting and driving is stupid. Drinking and driving is stupid. Playing with your radio/ipod while driving is stupid. Speeding is stupid. Eating while driving is stupid.
Bravo Sarah! Your should be commended because you are smart enough to learn from your mistakes, you don't encourage others to repeat them, and you don't try to make excuses for what you did.
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