Just curious why you're sticking with the 2.8 instead of a 3.4. Last I checked, the 3.4 is a stronger, better motor with a better oiling system. Other than the block, its the same as the 2.8 IIRC. Not a slam, just wondering. Looks good, though.
Hey what ever happened to all that aluminum 2.8 stuff you had? build up that aluminum block and heads with the internals from the crate engine .You know drop some pounds while making some power.
Just something I have been working on. Yep I am dumping much less then $5k into a 2.8 but it will still be quick and without a carb. Who would have thought huh? And in case thats not enough which of course it wont' be I will have this]
YES I WILL BE CHEATING AND USING NITROUS!! this is a direct port NX kit. Because this is the only way I can get hp cheaply. And when this bottle is empty I will REFILL it and run more through it. And when that runs empty I will refill it again. And then for those really tough races I will need to get 2 of the really big bottles and hope I dont' break the welds on my intake manifold but I am sure I will have so much power my floor boards will come crashing out of the bottom of my car and then I will be kicking it Fred Flinstone stylez.
I expect around 130-140 hp conservatively off nitrous and probably 210-230 on the juice. Thats whp.
I just hope its faster then a 14.9 at 89 mph.
werd homies
So, even if you dropped $3K into that engine and got 150WHP. A 4.9 cadillac engine could be dropped in and have 200HP or 175 or so WHP. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing all engines built up or swapped out, but how you present yourself and your ignorance most of the time make me wish your ratings will hurry up and start flashing red, we don't need people like you ruining an otherwise great forum by insulting, putting down, or thinking your somehow better than the next guy. Now, about the nitrous. That's a fairly good shot your going to be using. Now how is nitrous cheap in the long run? Cost's $500 to buy and install, a 10lb bottle filled will set you back 40-50$ every time you fill it up. Fill it up even twice a month and within a year will have spent over $2000. Could you please remove your sig or make it take up less bandwidth? There are a ton of people on here with dial up and sigs like yours makes pages load up very slowly.
Just something I have been working on. Yep I am dumping much less then $5k into a 2.8 but it will still be quick and without a carb. Who would have thought huh?
Here is what I am working with
Brand new 2.8 shortblock, Crane 260 cam, Fully ported and polished heads, gasket matched, 5 angle valve job, bronze valve guides, SI valves, HI-po springs and retainers, and 1.6 rockers bringing lift to 455/484. Not only just gasket matched intakes but also fully enlarged as well throughout the whole runner on both the lower intake and the middle intake. On top of that will sit the dual TB intake. Exh will be WCF shorty headers, through a no cat with a cutout installed and a UD pulley.
I expect around 130-140 hp conservatively off nitrous and probably 210-230 on the juice. Thats whp.
I just hope its faster then a 14.9 at 89 mph.
werd homies
Oh yea total budget is less then $900 including the direct port kit.
If the Dual TB intake you are using is the one JM sent me specs on your horsepower is way off. 130-140hp normally aspirated RWHP????
If you get 140rwhp then you did something WRONG.
Just going by a max head port job with the cam and the dual TB intake you should be around 170rwhp normally aspirated. (about 200 at the flywheel) Desktop Dyno has no provisions for adding nitrous so add in your shot from here and you're looking at around a 300hp engine (flywheel).
When you get it built and tested, Email or PM me so I can see how close DD2000 is to the real engine.
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Interesting project you have going on there. Where and how much for the new short block? Thanks in advance for dropping the half million byte sig. I thought my ISP went down waiting for thread to load.
Originally posted by iced_theater: Could you please remove your sig or make it take up less bandwidth? There are a ton of people on here with dial up and sigs like yours makes pages load up very slowly.
i dont care if i get a bad rating, but not only is that sig to big... its freakin retarded, like we here at pennocks FIERO FORUM want to see how cool u can be in front of your web cam... im sorry fellow PFFers i normally do not say things like this but i have also seen this guys other posts and it explains the sig...... he acts like he looks, a wanna be tough guy. sorry guys i will not post here again am againt flaming but couldnt hold back... -Bobadoo
I thought animated or motion sigs were against the rules on here anyway? Being very large in size and causing slow load times for some especially for those on dial ups being one of the main reasons why.
Edit: His "Gmoney.gif" sig file is 496k (500, 935 bytes) in size. That will certainly slow down some viewers load times.
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Whine. Whine! WHINE!!! Thats all you people do on here. 5 thread about a damn sig. Who really cares... Pick up the BONE PHONE, Fred Flintstone and give George Jetson a call. Get with the times and get DSL or cable, something...
This dude is making some serious power for SUPER CHEAP! It rivals any car ever made bang for buck. I'll never understand fiero owners I swear.
I thought animated or motion sigs were against the rules on here anyway? Being very large in size and causing slow load times for some especially for those on dial ups being one of the main reasons why.
Edit: His "Gmoney.gif" sig file is 496k (500, 935 bytes) in size. That will certainly slow down some viewers load times.
they are against forum rules.
But I guess since he is making some serious power for super cheap he can break the rules without fear of reprocusion. I mean, isn't that how it works in the real world.
But I guess since he is making some serious power for super cheap he can break the rules without fear of reprocusion. I mean, isn't that how it works in the real world.
Yeah, he was deservedly banned once and then came back not long after and almost got quickly banned again. BUT, he then posted pics of some big engine that some oohed and aahed over and got some green back. Go figure
So wait, is that Aluminum engine a 2 bolt or 4 bolt main? It almost looks like its both, but I've never seen that before. I know the stock 60* V6 is a 2 bolt main, but then again, this isn't a stock 60* V6.
So wait, is that Aluminum engine a 2 bolt or 4 bolt main? It almost looks like its both, but I've never seen that before. I know the stock 60* V6 is a 2 bolt main, but then again, this isn't a stock 60* V6.
Your new to motors eh?
Its a 4 bolt. Check out a SBC 4 bolt block, only the middle 2-3 are 4 bolt.
Its a 4 bolt. Check out a SBC 4 bolt block, only the middle 2-3 are 4 bolt.
Not really, just never had the chance to tear apart a SBC 4 bolt block. Just assumed that if they were gonna make it 4 bolt instead of 2, they'd make all 4 of em 4 bolt. Guess that isn't necessary. Thats cool that the aluminum engine is a 4 bolt though.
Not really, just never had the chance to tear apart a SBC 4 bolt block. Just assumed that if they were gonna make it 4 bolt instead of 2, they'd make all 4 of em 4 bolt. Guess that isn't necessary. Thats cool that the aluminum engine is a 4 bolt though.
geez i allways sound so friggin harsh. i didnt mean it as a slam. Sorry. Aftermarket SBC blocks are real 4 bolt blocks. Check out a 38sc bottom end. cross bolted....thats old skool strength, wasnt the 429 a cross bolt motor?
So wait, is that Aluminum engine a 2 bolt or 4 bolt main? It almost looks like its both, but I've never seen that before. I know the stock 60* V6 is a 2 bolt main, but then again, this isn't a stock 60* V6.
As far as I know all 4-bolt main blocks are like that, with only two bolts at the ends. Most of the stress is on the center mains. Damn that block is pretty.
i dont care if i get a bad rating, but not only is that sig to big... its freakin retarded, like we here at pennocks FIERO FORUM want to see how cool u can be in front of your web cam... im sorry fellow PFFers i normally do not say things like this but i have also seen this guys other posts and it explains the sig...... he acts like he looks, a wanna be tough guy. sorry guys i will not post here again am againt flaming but couldnt hold back... -Bobadoo
Yep, that's Jon wearing the white hat, and Shaun in the black. Wonder twin powers...activate!
geez i allways sound so friggin harsh. i didnt mean it as a slam. Sorry. Aftermarket SBC blocks are real 4 bolt blocks. Check out a 38sc bottom end. cross bolted....thats old skool strength, wasnt the 429 a cross bolt motor?
No problem donk, I've learned to be thick skinned around here and assume that a person isn't trying to be harsh. I would like a chance to tear apart some heavy duty motors and check em out, just don't have any to play with, or the funds to get them. As for the 429, I have no idea. Whats pretty cool is I've seen a kit to make a 2 bolt SBC a 4 bolt.
You have a NEW 2.8 shortblock, a NEW direct port nitrous kit, WCF headers, Timing set, cam, all the gaskets, rockers, etc, for $900?
Nope. Your HP claims aren't out of this world, but your pricing is pure bull. Only possible way is if you had the stuff laying around used and aren't counting that as costing you anything (or you stole it, literally). If you're using that logic then I have an all aluminum Milodon 4.125" bore block and a couple sets of aluminum heads laying around with a couple of old Crower solid roller cams and hi-rev kits from my boat racing days, does that mean I can do an all aluminum SBC swap for the price of an Archie basic kit? Heck, I'll bet that Archie would make me a deal and I could do that for your $900 if you want to figure it that way (and I'll have a substantial amount more than 170 RWHP without gas).
You have a NEW 2.8 shortblock, a NEW direct port nitrous kit, WCF headers, Timing set, cam, all the gaskets, rockers, etc, for $900?[/b]
Yup thats right. You did read it correctly.
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[b]If you're using that logic then I have an all aluminum Milodon 4.125" bore block and a couple sets of aluminum heads laying around with a couple of old Crower solid roller cams and hi-rev kits from my boat racing days, does that mean I can do an all aluminum SBC swap for the price of an Archie basic kit?
John Stricker
That would be a cool engine. You should def do that.
Peace out
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Pick up the BONE PHONE Fred Flintstone, and give George Jetson a call. Get with the times and get DSL or cable, something...
So, even if you dropped $3K into that engine and got 150WHP. A 4.9 cadillac engine could be dropped in and have 200HP or 175 or so WHP. Don't get me wrong, I like seeing all engines built up or swapped out, but how you present yourself and your ignorance most of the time make me wish your ratings will hurry up and start flashing red, we don't need people like you ruining an otherwise great forum by insulting, putting down, or thinking your somehow better than the next guy. Now, about the nitrous. That's a fairly good shot your going to be using. Now how is nitrous cheap in the long run? Cost's $500 to buy and install, a 10lb bottle filled will set you back 40-50$ every time you fill it up. Fill it up even twice a month and within a year will have spent over $2000. Could you please remove your sig or make it take up less bandwidth? There are a ton of people on here with dial up and sigs like yours makes pages load up very slowly.
agree on the sig - but in this post he insuted no-one.. even joked about "cheating" with nitrous..
You have a NEW 2.8 shortblock, a NEW direct port nitrous kit, WCF headers, Timing set, cam, all the gaskets, rockers, etc, for $900?
Nope. Your HP claims aren't out of this world, but your pricing is pure bull. Only possible way is if you had the stuff laying around used and aren't counting that as costing you anything (or you stole it, literally). If you're using that logic then I have an all aluminum Milodon 4.125" bore block and a couple sets of aluminum heads laying around with a couple of old Crower solid roller cams and hi-rev kits from my boat racing days, does that mean I can do an all aluminum SBC swap for the price of an Archie basic kit? Heck, I'll bet that Archie would make me a deal and I could do that for your $900 if you want to figure it that way (and I'll have a substantial amount more than 170 RWHP without gas).
I got 2 sets of roller rockers in a Lot of items I picked up and shaun and I both financed I bought a load of stuff by the pound... 2 sets of rockers were in the mix
It's suprising , and hard to believe , but it honestly all does add up.
I thought animated or motion sigs were against the rules on here anyway? Being very large in size and causing slow load times for some especially for those on dial ups being one of the main reasons why.
Edit: His "Gmoney.gif" sig file is 496k (500, 935 bytes) in size. That will certainly slow down some viewers load times.
Funny, I guess if you don't like the pics posted in this thread, you could take your own advice and not click on this thread.
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Yeah, he was deservedly banned once and then came back not long after and almost got quickly banned again. BUT, he then posted pics of some big engine that some oohed and aahed over and got some green back. Go figure
His engine is bigger than yours. Huhuhuhu. You sound alittle jealous steve. My predication: This is yet another thread steve touches that will end up in the trash.
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agree on the sig - but in this post he insuted no-one.. even joked about "cheating" with nitrous..
He wasnt joking. He was sarcasticly using statments that others have said in his misleading posts and after he put them down about what they spent on there swaps and otherwise insulted them. yada, yada, yada
He wasnt joking. He was sarcasticly using statments that others have said in his misleading posts and after he put them down about what they spent on there swaps and otherwise insulted them. yada, yada, yada
still think people are just being too thin skinned or maybe i'm just too easy going - either way i am interested to see how it turns out and won't hijack his thread anymore
if all you're gonna do is complain because your system isn't up to par with his sig(illegal as it may be), then why don't you PM him in the form of a mature request, instead of ruining his thread and changing the subject? i'm sure there are people on this forum who are interested in what he is doing today, not what he did to get banned a buncha days ago.........fieros are an expensive hobby, which leads me to wonder how many of you manage to find the spare time to b!tch......
to everyone defending this pair of goons. One day you will regret it. I used to defend them, of course they just have to bash when and where they can.
Blah Blah Blah , you live your life 1/4 mile @ a time , for those 15-16 secs , your free.
Get out of this thread , you and the rest of the Retards that got it so far offtrack.. One more post in this thread and I will be sure to visit each and everythread you ever create.
This one was good until you and the whiner Squad came along and boo Hoo'd
Blah Blah Blah , you live your life 1/4 mile @ a time , for those 15-16 secs , your free.
Get out of this thread , you and the rest of the Retards that got it so far offtrack.. One more post in this thread and I will be sure to visit each and everythread you ever create.
This one was good until you and the whiner Squad came along and boo Hoo'd
Blah Blah Blah , you live your life 1/4 mile @ a time , for those 15-16 secs , your free.
Get out of this thread , you and the rest of the Retards that got it so far offtrack.. One more post in this thread and I will be sure to visit each and everythread you ever create.
This one was good until you and the whiner Squad came along and boo Hoo'd
JM
Your wannabe $900 2.8 is gonna pull 15's when the bottle is gone or not open.
You're the one who started this thread with your dump ass coments directed at some ones 4.9. Do you really think that this thread is gonna stay happy go lucky with those comments?
I actualy like what you are doing with the V6, just not your adittude and stupid comments like you're a big bad ass punisher that cant be touched.
You talk smack about peoples 4.9 and how they paid $x,xxx to get 200hp but what you havent figured in is how much the V8 fiero is worth after the swap. Linenoice's car or mine for that fact, would pull at least 8-10k if either of us decided to sell it. How much do you think your tired ass 2.8 that has been blowing NOS can pull? Oh wait, you cant even pull 3k from your Formula with the duel intake and NOS.
Sorry for Hijacking your thread, but your really not a Punisher. Just a wannabe.
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