Well, I know that I am going to catch a lot of slack for this, but here goes. There are so many "Gods," and so many religions that it really isn't right for someone to tell you who the right "God" really is. "God" no matter who or what you believe in is a part of your innerself, it is something that you look to to find an answer to, or for support for something those are the "Gods" of today. I beleive at one time in History that there were actually gods that walked this earth, but just like anything else, they died and became a legend and or myth. History was kept about them (Bible's or what ever you want to call them) and thats how we have the books about them today. All "Gods" in all kinds of religions walked this earth at one time or another. The problem with religion today is that it has gotten so far out of hand that people are taking advantage of it in any way that they can. They are starting to or trying to change rules in them that shouldn't be changed, the Catholic Priest trying to do away with celibacy, is a good example, why change something that is a tradition in your religion? I guess after a while though, it starts to get old, so people want something that is fresh to them. Well, that's the way I see it, now hit me with it hook, line and sinker!
That's easy.. Religion is a business. If you make rules like that your going to exclude people and that won't bring people in. If you don't bring people in you can't con them out of their money. You kow ray b I agree with some things you say. I don't use them but I do believe drugs should be leagalized. But this whole child pornography thing...you can certanly tell you don't have children. Ya gotta protect the children. I also am getting a head ache trying to read your posts. dude my kids can write with more clarity. I also don't think gov. should be telling you if you can look at **** or not. As an adult I should be able to do what ever I want with my time and money as long as I'm not infringing on others. By the way YES child pornography is infringing on others. I think talking to this guy is a big waste of time...
Originally posted by ray b: there is NO GOD never was or will be one GM canciled the FIERO just when it was getting better, hot chic's will get fat and old or run off with someome with more $$$$$ be for they get fat and old gas prices up up up BUSH rerun ashole-croft child molesters in churchs protected
I am going to tell you what I agree with and what I dont agree with: There were "God's" and there will always be "God's". They may not be living today, but there are "God's" Read your History books, Greek Gods, Roman Gods, ect...
The Fiero issue, I agree with 100%
I guess it all depends on how you treat a chic as to who she will run off with, as far as the money issue goes, money doesn't mean that you are any better than any one else.
Gas prices, I agree 100%
Bush and Croft, I have nothing to say about that because I really don't keep with to many Goverment issues. I think they are all full of -_-_ to tell you the truth.
Child molesters protected? I am going to assume that you are kidding about that. If you are not, then you are a very confused person and I suggest that you get some help soon.
Originally posted by Ferrari Fan: Child molesters protected? I am going to assume that you are kidding about that. If you are not, then you are a very confused person and I suggest that you get some help soon.
Nah, he's refering to the Catholic Churches habit of covering up the pastoral pedophilia that seems to be prevailant.
Originally posted by Logicdragon: I knew this would turn into a flame war before I even read the first post. Very rarely can 2 people argue the existence of God without involving emotions. I would join but its already out of my taste. One thing though, your entire arguement can be compressed down to one question. "How can evil exist if God exists and he is omni-benevolent?"
Hey Logic! Good point! May I try to answer?
God is like light, to live with God is to live in the light, to live without God is to live in the darkness...
Evil, as some try to portray it, comes from satan, but this is not true, evil comes from the individual... The longer someone lives without God, the more corrupt their life becomes... And they do not feel the corruptness affects their lives, but it actually affects how other people interact with the corrupted people...
How do you react when you find people who are back stabbers, cheap, lying, and corrupt? You want to stay away from them, and not trust them to keep their word?
Many such people do not like the idea of a creator who has a set of rules to live by, they believe the individual should set the rules of conduct... Then, when many such people try to live together, they have to enact "LAWS" to live by and set the "MORALLITY" for the others to live by... Unfortunatly, they all believe the rules are ment for the other people to live by... So the laws don't really affect the morallity of the corrupted people...
That is why you see so many laws on the books... And they are all loosely based on the ten commandments... Strange how God covered all our problems with ten laws, but we can't post those laws in our schools...
Some people claim the commandments were handed down over 5000 years ago, and they still fit daily life today...
Is their an answer? Yes, there is... His name is Jesus, and all we need to do is ask forgiveness of our sins, and try to live our lives in his light... Fitting, today is in celibration of his rising from the grave and the concoring of death... For all of humanity...
"Is their an answer? Yes, there is... His name is Jesus, and all we need to do is ask forgiveness of our sins, and try to live our lives in his light... Fitting, today is in celibration of his rising from the grave and the concoring of death... For all of humanity..."
MARY called her son YA-SHO-WAH modern name is JOSHUA not JESUS NOBODY WAS NAMED JESUS!! IT IS A MISSTRANSLATION so as they blew the saviors NAME ever wonder what else is a tranlation error in that book ?????
as Mach 10 noted I was condemming the protection of PERVERTS by the CHURCH not limited to cathloc CULT, they are just the ones caught lately, but donot have a monoply on perverts!!!!!
BOB JONES is not a university, it is a CULT RUN CENTER OF INDOCTRINATION, sad that anyone is exposed to that!!!!
Originally posted by Jefrysuko: I don't remember that in Star Wars.
SW - trash compactor scene, 3P0 to R2D2 ordering shut down of all compactors as they are standing across from MillFalcon in docking bay referring to soon to be crushed friends. 3P0 is holding a com link and R2 is 'clicking and spinning' his way through the Death Star computers. Music is a big bass drum beating ever faster as walls close in....
Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: Keep in mind, all, that rayb has not mentioned all the child molesters outside the church. True, about 70 priests (out of about 700) have been accused of molestation, and, undoubtedly, many are guilty, but only when they are proven beyond a reasonable doubt. rayb has already convicted them, of course, because of his disdain for organized religion of any kind.
rayb has also neglected (as have the rest of the liberal press) such stories as the former principal in the Amherst MA middle school, who fondled an overweight 13 year old boy's "breasts." He is a homosexual who was trying to adopt a four year old boy. The four year old told Dept of Social Services personnel that they watched "funny movies" and played "bouncing games."
The fact that there are so many priests in trouble probably lies with one of two situations. Homosexuals have long worked to infiltrate the church, and have attempted to bring discrimination suits (in violation of the First Ammendment), or simply to apply covertly. Becoming a priest would be a natural for the latter. Second, I'm sure that there were many in the 60's and 70's with some gender confusion going on, and the church seemed to be the perfect place to sqelch their leanings. The liberal press has no desire to explore these avenues, as they are still smarting from having to report the connection between NAMBLA and two men who lured a ten year old away from his neighborhood with a bicycle, then beat, killed, and had sex with the boy's body before encasing him in concrete and dumping him in a river. The Boston Globe (Owned by the New York Times) has had no problem with the activities of NAMBLA (The North American Man Boy Love Association), except when similar activities are perpetrated by priests.
No, it doesn't make it right. The point is, we should be able to feel reasonably safe for our children anywhere, not just in church.
rayb also fails to mention that there were no federal prosecutions of child pornography under the Clinton/Reno administration.
Patrick's Dad - you rock! You've said it all. I'm outa here.
Originally posted by firstfiero: That's easy.. Religion is a business. If you make rules like that your going to exclude people and that won't bring people in. If you don't bring people in you can't con them out of their money. You kow ray b I agree with some things you say. I don't use them but I do believe drugs should be leagalized. But this whole child pornography thing...you can certanly tell you don't have children. Ya gotta protect the children. I also am getting a head ache trying to read your posts. dude my kids can write with more clarity. I also don't think gov. should be telling you if you can look at **** or not. As an adult I should be able to do what ever I want with my time and money as long as I'm not infringing on others. By the way YES child pornography is infringing on others. I think talking to this guy is a big waste of time...
I agree with you on the business aspect. And as far as the bible goes, yes it is mistranslated but if it is the book of choice for you then it is the book of choice for you. When I left my church I threw away every christian book or teaching that I had on hand. And being (rymes with foreman) I had a lot around. My mother is still a very important part of her religion. How could I keep teachings and books around that say I am evil and will always be evil. I am not a bad person, but every christian and catholic would just love to take my Friends and I and string us up for the way we live. I also relize that a lot of you are very liberal in your thinking, and that is wonderful. Keep it that way and teach your kids to be wonderful human beings like yourselves. What I am thankful for: My partner he is my life, lover and best friend. My friends for being so supportive. and being alive.(it is tough now and was in the past) I think if you are alive and living on this earth then you have completed the biggest task in the universe.
Craig. PS Cliff I love the trashbin. Love to read the great S*&T in here. And now ppl who want to read can and those who don't well you know what I mean. Now I am confusing lol.
MARY called her son YA-SHO-WAH modern name is JOSHUA not JESUS NOBODY WAS NAMED JESUS!! IT IS A MISSTRANSLATION so as they blew the saviors NAME ever wonder what else is a tranlation error in that book ?????
as Mach 10 noted I was condemming the protection of PERVERTS by the CHURCH not limited to cathloc CULT, they are just the ones caught lately, but donot have a monoply on perverts!!!!!
BOB JONES is not a university, it is a CULT RUN CENTER OF INDOCTRINATION, sad that anyone is exposed to that!!!!
Wow! You heard that story!
And the Jews knew that for thousands of years!!!
And God's holy name is Yaway (propperly spelled with a "J"?), not mentioned in any Bibles eather...
Due to tradition, we still use the name Jesus, when refering to the Son, and God, when refering to the Father...
But as far as the message is concerned, it is the same, believe in the SON OF GOD, NOT a CHURCH, or PERSON...
There are perverts every where you go, and at the moment, the Cathlic Church is under the media microscope... What about the perverts in our public schools and universities? How would your life read if you were under such scrutiny?
When God forgives our sins, it is as if they never happened, as long as we try not to repeat them...
By the way, Ray, what do you think of homosexuals and bisexuals? Are they also on the pervert list? Or is it just child molesters? Who made up that list of perverts? Is it your choice to modify that list when it is convienient? Or is the list static, never changing?
Remember, there is man's law and then there is God's law, and God's law is eternal, never changing...
Originally posted by Fierowrecker: By the way, Ray, what do you think of homosexuals and bisexuals? Are they also on the pervert list? Or is it just child molesters? Who made up that list of perverts? Is it your choice to modify that list when it is convienient? Or is the list static, never changing?
Remember, there is man's law and then there is God's law, and God's law is eternal, never changing...
GAYS are born that way[ hard to think a man would/could chose that life] and are only perverts if they FORCE THEM SELFS ON KIDS!!!! no matter if gay or strait FORCE, bribs. or tricks and young kids make it a perverted sex act!!!! AND GODS LAWS are NOT ETERNAL garden of eden had a set of rules then they changed after snake and apple, then new rules after a while, pre-noah, and more post flood, then a new set for arabram, later rerevised and given to moses with not just the 10 but 100s more new ones then after JC said not one page of the law will change SAUL-PAUL rewrote all the rules, and every cult today has different laws and rules!!!!!
Originally posted by ray b: GAYS are born that way[ hard to think a man would/could chose that life] and are only perverts if they FORCE THEM SELFS ON KIDS!!!! no matter if gay or strait FORCE, bribs. or tricks and young kids make it a perverted sex act!!!! AND GODS LAWS are NOT ETERNAL garden of eden had a set of rules then they changed after snake and apple, then new rules after a while, pre-noah, and more post flood, then a new set for arabram, later rerevised and given to moses with not just the 10 but 100s more new ones then after JC said not one page of the law will change SAUL-PAUL rewrote all the rules, and every cult today has different laws and rules!!!!!
Hee Hee! We see eye to eye here Ray! But, then, I don't believe man was to rule over man, after Christ's assention... Nor was man to claim to be Christ's vicker (SP)...
One thing that bothers me, is to see people turn away from God and his Son, only because of people misusing the power of Their names... If people knew the gift did not involve dealing with the organizations known as churches, they might want to be Christians...
BTW, when two or more meet in my name, there I am also... Yasua...
Originally posted by ray b: GAYS are born that way[ hard to think a man would/could chose that life] and are only perverts if they FORCE THEM SELFS ON KIDS!!!!
Okay when i saw this I should have just left it alone. But it kept staring me in the face. There is a big difference btw gays and child molestors, and I mean BIG. Again i am probably reading into this way to much. Sorry if i am. And why is it so hard to think that men could want to live that way I don't get it. I am happier then I have ever been and I wouldn't change it for the world. And don't forget women too.
Fierowrecker what you said was very intelligent and politely put. But I have turn my back on God for the simple fact that I don't believe in one anymore. I relize that is my choice and I have chosen to live it that way. Man am I going to feel stupid if when I die, there is one eh lol.
I have always thought if there was a god, I don't think that he would be all that excited that we all gathered together on Sunday/Saturday (or whatever day you do it on) and worship him. I don't think that he would be want to be worshipped at all. I think he would just want to be treated normal and not special at all. Isn't that why his son was baptized by John, to show that he wasn't perfect, and wanted to be treated like a normal homosapien. People got all outa hand and started to worship Kurt Cobain and look what he did to himself because of it.(Maybe a bad example, but at the same time maybe not.) Craig
ok, this is my first foray into the trash can... here goes.
while I consider myself to be spiritual, I'm not a member of any organized religion, nor do I go to church. I have many friends who are devoted christians, I'm not trying to offend them, I'm just curious about something..
in the old testament books, god spoke to humans, interacted with them, dictated orders, punished people, his voice boomed down from the heavens etc....
why doesn't that stuff happen anymore? why doesn't god still give orders etc? did he have a change of heart, and decide to adopt some sort of biblical "prime directive" about dealing with us mere mortals?
sorry if it sounds like I'm making light of religion, I just don't understand this at all, and no one has ever offered me even a theory to answer it.
The short answer to DaRkLoRD's question for all those who would say I don't know myself is.
The Holy Spirit was not here to guide man before Christ died on the cross. God had to deal with man in another form before. Don't worry though. If you read revelations there will come a time that God does deal with man again as in the past. Again I say if you want a well scripted answer go to www.rr-bb.com
Why not? It's not near a beat down and dead like the better car acquired thread.
JazzMan
That's true. I guess we need a change of pace in here. It's been rather quiet, thankfully, but there are a few contenders that are next in line to get here.
