I wonder why people put so much faith in the vaccine that they fear the unvaccinated? Then like in California, the unvaccinated have to test twice a week but the vaccinated do not test at all?? The " science" says that vaccinated and unvaccinated alike can get and spread the virus? Just makes no sense at all.
I wonder why people put so much faith in the vaccine that they fear the unvaccinated? Then like in California, the unvaccinated have to test twice a week but the vaccinated do not test at all?? The " science" says that vaccinated and unvaccinated alike can get and spread the virus? Just makes no sense at all.
I don't know. I'm just an old, retired gearjammer. I have no opinion on a medical issue. It was just a joke.
I don't know. I'm just an old, retired gearjammer. I have no opinion on a medical issue. It was just a joke.
I get it, I was not accusing you specifically of anything, just pointing out a general frustration on the matter. But what is your opinion on what I had said?
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: I wonder why people put so much faith in the vaccine that they fear the unvaccinated? Then like in California, the unvaccinated have to test twice a week but the vaccinated do not test at all?? The " science" says that vaccinated and unvaccinated alike can get and spread the virus? Just makes no sense at all.
Both vaccinated and unvaccinated alike may become infected, and may, even beyond that, infect someone else.
But who is more likely, statistically, to infect someone else?
There's scientific reason to expect that it's the unvaccinated that are more likely to spread the infection to another person, but they are still accumulating the kind of data that would be needed to prove it. This recent article explains:
"How Easily Can Vaccinated People Spread COVID?"
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Vaccination is the best protection against infection. But when breakthroughs do occur, a very basic question still has an unsatisfying answer.
It's "unsatisfying" because there hasn't been enough time for scientists to thoroughly delve into the Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated aspect of this question.
Personally, I took the vaccine hoping to avoid hospitalization, to make any infection less severe.
Exactly right. Get it if you want and protect your self from possible hospitalization. Then leave everyone else alone because you are as protected as best as can be. Not singling you out, just a matter of scientific and statistical fact. The average person has very little to be afraid of because the two biggest factors in covid deaths and hospitalizations is the elderly and poor health, specifically overweight. So if people fit into this category, by all means get some peace of mind and vaccinate your self and leave everyone else alone.
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It's "unsatisfying" because there hasn't been enough time for scientists to thoroughly delve into the Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated aspect of this question.
This is exactly why some people refuse to participate in this experiment. There clearly isn't enough time using this vaccine to declare it safe. Many more years are required to gather data for an informed decision.
It's "unsatisfying" because there hasn't been enough time for scientists to thoroughly delve into the Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated aspect of this question.
I doubt everything posted in your statement. It's proven that variations and super strains are caused by improper drug usage. They aren't caused by not using the drugs. What you post is government and industry propaganda.
Personally, I took the vaccine hoping to avoid hospitalization, to make any infection less severe.
This is the way everyone should look at the vaccines.......But, we KNOW that EVERYTHING in this country must now be politicized.
I hate the mandates- but realize they are a necessary evil to help A) Keep the general population alive and B) Keep our economy running.
Just talked to a friend of mine; His neighbor's family are good, god-fearing Christians who don't believe in the vaccine/science crap....The whole family(8) caught Covid and the man's mother died......I see a lot of people who say "I ain't getting no shot" and then later saying "I wish I'd gotten the shot- I miss my (X)..."
Since the advent of television broadcasting, the face and voice of a single man can become synonymous with a momentous national crisis or event--or even a "storied" sports franchise.
Edward R. Murrow's face and voice on the CBS television network became the nation's most potent antibody against a virus-like pandemic that struck America in the 1950s. It was a pandemic of reactionary extremism--a "Red Scare" ginned up by the likes of the notorious Republican Senator from Wisconsin, Joe McCarthy. In March of 1954, Murrow what many describe as his most powerful anti-McCarthy broadcast. It endures to this day as just over 120 seconds of video on YouTube.
When NASA's Apollo 11 mission culminated in the first human footsteps on the moon, on July 20, 1969, almost half of the nation's 57 million TV sets were turned to CBS and Walter Cronkite.
Major League Baseball's Los Angeles Dodgers and Vin Scully . . . we can stop right there.
It's only a small exaggeration to say that for many Americans, the face and voice of the "real deal" on Covid is not the world famous "Dr. Fauci." It's Vin Gupta, from the University of Washington. Vin Gupta, MD, MPA, MSc. Vin Gupta, Affiliate Assistant Professor of Health Metrics Sciences at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. Vin Gupta, practicing pulmonary clinician, who has seen and treated Covid patients since the start of the pandemic.
Just a few days ago (November 29), Dr Gupta reminded the MSNBC television audience that when it comes to the Covid vaccines, "It's staying out of the hospital, stupid." Dr Gupta explains why it is not reasonable to "diss" the Covid vaccines, merely because a vaccinated person can suffer a breakthrough infection. Every vaccinated person that suffers a breakthrough Covid infection but doesn't need to be hospitalized for Covid is a success for whatever Covid vaccine regimen they were vaccinated with.
I hope you enjoyed this "broadcast" as much as I enjoyed bringing it to you.
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This is the way everyone should look at the vaccines.......But, we KNOW that EVERYTHING in this country must now be politicized. [QUOTE] I hate the mandates- but realize they are a necessary evil to help A) Keep the general population alive and B) Keep our economy running
No they are not. People have a choice to get it or not. The science has said that if you are at risk, you should get it. People choose (and rightfully so) to get it or not. The consequences are on them. People need to open their eyes to the truth. Mandates do not save lives, people making the right choices save lives.....or end them. The economy has only been handicapped by stupid lockdowns and restrictions. The evidence suggests that the unrestricted States have a healthier economy and the democrat States are retarded in growth and "recovery". FACT.
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Just talked to a friend of mine; His neighbor's family are good, god-fearing Christians who don't believe in the vaccine/science crap....The whole family(8) caught Covid and the man's mother died......I see a lot of people who say "I ain't getting no shot" and then later saying "I wish I'd gotten the shot- I miss my (X)..."
It doesn't matter if they believe in vaccines or not, the fact is that some people are much more susceptible than others. To think that EVERYBODY is the same is ridiculous.
It doesn't matter if they believe in vaccines or not, the fact is that some people are much more susceptible than others. To think that EVERYBODY is the same is ridiculous.
Everyone should be able to detect he fabricated the tale. It reads like an 8th grade fantasy. That's what he does with most all topics here.
And the shots are not vaccinations. Some people I know have had covid. They see no reason to get an ill prepared shot when they already have natural immunity.
Edit: and they're right. Plus they have common sense that fewer and fewer people have.
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A) The death rate among unvaccinated (Who actually contract Covid) is around 5%......So if you put that against the whole US population, you would have 16 million dying from the Covid. Instead, we have under 1 million dead. Lock-downs and isolation, and vaccines are working.
B) "It's the CHINESE virus! The dirty chinese commies are trying to murder us all!" is your basic BS claim.....Question; Why would China start the Virus in their own country? Instead, maybe someone wants to do in America AND China- while splitting us so we will never help each other. But that would only really help Vlady- who is the right's big hero (Now)
Note; Why did Italy get hit so hard with Covid? Is it because the Italians are stupid? Or would it have a connection to the fact that just before the covid epidemic the Italian government had caught one of their own playing paddy cakes with the Russians to try to take over the italian government?
Note; Why, when the "Virus started in Wuhan, China!!!" did a cruise ship in the CARRIBEAN have to be quarantined early on? (Cruise ships are a perfect way to spread an epidemic- but this cruise ship did not have ANYTHING to do with China)
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When only majority White countries are targeted for invasions and 'our' intelligence agencies state that White domestic terrorism is 'our' greatest threat, why would anyone assume China is behind this covid deal?
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Make sure you're exercising. Spend a few minutes every day doing something rigorous. It makes a huge difference in your ability to weather an illness. At my advancing age it's become glaringly apparent how quickly you can be overcome. I'm getting over a sinus infection and went up on the roof to clean leaves out of the gutters. I'm pretty fatigued from just crouching to do that.
My exercise routine is "procrastinating". That way it takes more work later when the leaves are wet. I have CRS too, which means you come back upstairs realizing you forgot to do what you went downstairs to do so you get.more exercise by doing it again.
A) The death rate among unvaccinated (Who actually contract Covid) is around 5%......So if you put that against the whole US population, you would have 16 million dying from the Covid. Instead, we have under 1 million dead. Lock-downs and isolation, and vaccines are working.
Numbers are so easily misused. How many million do they say did died from covid? We all know there is controversey over those numbers.
A) The death rate among unvaccinated (Who actually contract Covid) is around 5%......So if you put that against the whole US population, you would have 16 million dying from the Covid. Instead, we have under 1 million dead. Lock-downs and isolation, and vaccines are working.
B) "It's the CHINESE virus! The dirty chinese commies are trying to murder us all!" is your basic BS claim.....Question; Why would China start the Virus in their own country? Instead, maybe someone wants to do in America AND China- while splitting us so we will never help each other. But that would only really help Vlady- who is the right's big hero (Now)
Note; Why did Italy get hit so hard with Covid? Is it because the Italians are stupid? Or would it have a connection to the fact that just before the covid epidemic the Italian government had caught one of their own playing paddy cakes with the Russians to try to take over the italian government?
Note; Why, when the "Virus started in Wuhan, China!!!" did a cruise ship in the CARRIBEAN have to be quarantined early on? (Cruise ships are a perfect way to spread an epidemic- but this cruise ship did not have ANYTHING to do with China)
A: Lock down and isolation may very well work....while destroying the economy and raising suicide rates through the roof. Yay! Now go beg the government to keep from being evicted because you have no job. And make sure you sign up for the free government giveaway! It's free you know, no cost at all.
B: Have you been under a rock for 2 years? The US was paying the Wuhan laboratory to research gain-of-function of viruses. It is now believed that the virus accidentally escaped from the lab. No conspiracy, just good old Chinese incompetence.
- you have a strange hard on for vlad. You make QAnon look like a noob.
- people travel. The virus is highly contagious. People travel to China AND take cruises. Imagine that.
Ok, so after a fair amount of time I have concluded that you think Vladimir Putin is the enemy of the entire world. That he has fooled his Chinese allies even as he plots to destroy the world. Close?
A: Lock down and isolation may very well work....while destroying the economy and raising suicide rates through the roof. Yay! Now go beg the government to keep from being evicted because you have no job. And make sure you sign up for the free government giveaway! It's free you know, no cost at all.
B: Have you been under a rock for 2 years? The US was paying the Wuhan laboratory to research gain-of-function of viruses. It is now believed that the virus accidentally escaped from the lab. No conspiracy, just good old Chinese incompetence.
- you have a strange hard on for vlad. You make QAnon look like a noob.
- people travel. The virus is highly contagious. People travel to China AND take cruises. Imagine that.
Ok, so after a fair amount of time I have concluded that you think Vladimir Putin is the enemy of the entire world. That he has fooled his Chinese allies even as he plots to destroy the world. Close?
"Raising suicide rates through the roof." People tend to say that, but I wonder where they would look--if they were going to look--for confirmation.
I wonder if people who say it are saying it because they think it has to be true--because they cannot imagine that it wouldn't be true.
It's easy to speculate about this in all kinds of ways. Or to imagine speculating about it in all kinds of ways. I'm not actually speculating about it in all kinds of ways--just thinking how easy it would be to speculate about it in kinds of ways.
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Every time Vlad screws America you guys state "That ain't true....Vlad is our hero......I love Vlady!!!!" Putin could NUKE some US cities and you would say "That ain't so!!!"
I have been>>>>>>>>R*E*T*I*R*E*D<<<<<<<< for 6 years, so I have my normal retirement check coming every month...My main job (Above and beyond helping my neighbors and such) is to try to make people laugh a bit in these trying times- which is hard since now I have to wear a mask all the time!
Something like 12 MILLION (Conservative) Americans believe that the country is run by alien lizards......Amazing what russian propaganda can do, eh?
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Russia gets punked daily in public by US intelligence agencies and they keep taking it, because they know that DC is insane and looking for a reason to start a war with any player that can help them (them is DC) destroy the remainder of US population that's trying to maintain the culture that we used to enjoy. DC is looking for a scapegoat for the next phase of the great reset.
Your monthly SS check will go away when there are enough new Dem voters from the 3rd world that are illegally let in and allowed to vote.
Lots of US military stuff left in Afghanistan that could be offensively used to goad Russia into responding if attacked with it.
One complaint with the vaccine is as I said, they promote is as reducing the spread, but you can still spread it, and thus likley spread it more.
Another problem is they aren't vaccines.
They increase the spread if they do actually reduce symptoms when you do contract the virus. It isn't a reason to not get the vaccine but it is part of the lie people try to spin about spreading the virus when they want to blame the unvaccinated. Honestly if you wanted to do the best to limit the spread, you'd be keeping the vaccinated home and letting people with antibodies work.
The more symptomatic you are, the more likely you are too stay home. This is why the variants become less and less destructive, the most symptomatic diseases simply don't spread as easily.
Because we knew from day one COVID could be spread asymptomatically, it was not hard to figure out how fast it was going to spread. In fact, initial infection numbers are super deceptive, they ramped up when testing started, the virus was well establish before that. I gave a 3 day window of when the first COVID cases would be reported in Dallas just because I knew it was likely already here, I knew when testing started and I knew he many days it took to get results. I nailed it.
There are some new "vaccines" on the way that show promise, with any luck they will have a much better efficacy rate than the current shots. It'll still never justify mandates and lockdowns.
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Originally posted by jmbishop: There are some new [Covid] "vaccines" on the way that show promise, with any luck they will have a much better efficacy rate than the current shots. It'll still never justify mandates and lockdowns.
"I hear you."
I like what I read about the Covid vaccine candidates that a company called "Icosavax" had been bringing along. It's been some time, though. I don't know how any of it stands, currently. https://icosavax.com/vlp-vaccine-pipeline/#IVX-411
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"Artist’s depiction of an ultrapotent COVID-19 vaccine candidate in which 60 pieces of a coronavirus protein (red) decorate nanoparticles (blue and white)." Credit: Ian C. Haydon Institute for Protein Design.
I profess no actual scientific or medical insight into this, whatsoever--I just liked what I read about it, as a layperson in this context, and something of a Covid vaccine "maven." I perceived it as "edgy" and "pushing the envelope."
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