It ends when enough people are in the streets withpitchforks. "They" probably have no plans to end it. Two weeks to flatten the curve.
The states that have gotten closest to normal early on have done the best much to the dismay of twitter blue checkmarks that published their fantasies about Texas and Florida becoming a diastopian hellscape of death.
Originally posted by jmbishop: I don't know if I agree with that. It's a little ridiculous to think you are have a Monopoly on the truth or that persuasion is easy, especially online. Even if both of you bring receipts, you'll just argue about the validity of the receipts. But everything can't be an echo chamber, nobody challenging your ideas is unhealthy and silencing the opposition is evil.
No, I'm mostly correct. Always and never are rhetorical words, usually. But his largest goal here has been to make posts considered to be trolling.
Where has he offered defense of the initiatives being pushed? My goal is to Express that the propaganda has again failed.
I don't know if I agree with that. It's a little ridiculous to think you (sourmash) have a Monopoly on the truth or that persuasion is easy, especially online. Even if both of you bring receipts, you'll just argue about the validity of the receipts. But everything can't be an echo chamber, nobody challenging your ideas is unhealthy and silencing the opposition is evil.
Patrick... did you ever get your fresh-air vents installed in your Fiero?
Yes Todd, I've been enjoying the benefit of fresh air vents in my Formula for the last couple of years. I might have the only '88 Fiero with this '84 option. As previously promised, I'll let you know when I post a thread about the installation.
The UK is recommending a covid shot every 3 months. The narrative of govs is THE hyperbole, as is those repeating it.
You're the one "repeating it" here... so it appears my previous comment nailed it.
I don't live in the UK, and from what I gather, neither do you. Why are you so irked by what doesn't directly affect you? Are you also outraged that they drive on the left side of the road there? Damn those socialists anyway!
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You're the one "repeating it" here... so it appears my previous comment nailed it.
I don't live in the UK, and from what I gather, neither do you. Why are you so irked by what doesn't directly affect you? Are you also outraged that they drive on the left side of the road there? Damn those socialists anyway!
You're the one who is triggered. Why else would you keep on and on and on and on?
Yes, I'm repeating the gov hyperbole, in real time.
Out here the booster is at 6 months. So far they offer it at 6 months but has not been "mandated" at 6 months. The booster as far as I know has not been mandated at all, but I expect it to be a vital component of "fully" vaccinated sometime in the near future. My opinion is that the covid pandemic is on it's way out and any type of mandatory policies will need to hit the shelves soon or the season will be over before the product (mandatory policies) is fully stocked. With each "variant" that they claim exists, the lethality drops and the contagiousness rises. That is actually a good thing in my opinion because it doesn't matter if we get a cold or flu as long as we don't get hospitalized or die from it. Covid is now in that category. But it won't stop the fear mongering.
You're the one who is triggered. Why else would you keep on and on and on and on?
I'm the one who's triggered? Have a quick peek at which PFF member has started 127 threads in O/T in just the last 14 months, the vast majority of which are nothing but a continuation of one complaint after another.
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Yes, I'm repeating the gov hyperbole, in real time.
I suspect anything being "real" is of little importance to you. Just keep pounding O/T with conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.
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If we added up all you username posts, patrick, it would total another 11,000 post to you current one. But with me living in your head your IQ might increase.
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Originally posted by jmbishop:I have to disagree here, you admit you think he's trolling, he posts a low effort arguement and it just gets you fired up.
I post anything and you seem to be keenly interested. Your slip is showing.
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I think you're perhaps misguided, and maybe somewhat paranoid, but I definitely don't "hate" you. That would require more effort than I'm prepared to fritter away on an internet stranger.
Let me explain in a detail you will understand. I didn't foresee that you'd miss the point, but.....
you're usually being a hater here. You're aware of the implication of that. It's a sociopathic characteristic. It's a prominent trait broadcast from your persona through your posts. This forum is a place that you enjoy frothing it up to release it on fellow humans. You ENJOY it, which is another sociopathy. You've consistently been near or at the center in most dust-ups here by, at least, sniping at people you don't agree with.
Someone told me you had an involvement in a grow house deal. There isn't anything I've seen personality-wise that seems consistent with herb use. Toxicity and caustic behavior don't coincide with smoke. It might be used as a treatment for those traits, I guess. Have you got a medical card for it?
Let me explain in a detail you will understand. I didn't foresee that you'd miss the point, but.....
you're usually being a hater here. You're aware of the implication of that. It's a sociopathic characteristic. It's a prominent trait broadcast from your persona through your posts. This forum is a place that you enjoy frothing it up to release it on fellow humans. You ENJOY it, which is another sociopathy. You've consistently been near or at the center in most dust-ups here by, at least, sniping at people you don't agree with.
Someone told me you had an involvement in a grow house deal. There isn't anything I've seen personality-wise that seems consistent with herb use. Toxicity and caustic behavior don't coincide with smoke. It might be used as a treatment for those traits, I guess. Have you got a medical card for it?
You're on a "roll" . . . but I'm certain that you are not going to get to Patrick and tackle him for a loss.
This is just "politics" in disguise.
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I'm pro vaccine, get it if you want. I would encourage anyone high risk to decide if you want the shots, I wouldn't encourage low risk people to get the vaccines but also wouldn't discourage it if it helps you sleep at night. It's also my opinion the lockdowns and mandates are a dangerous precedent, it was never an acceptable action. There are two administrations responsible for this, unless you're a tribalist.
But there's facts and data propagandists ignore. General survival rate is around 99.6%, it gets exponentially higher the younger and healthier you are. Contacting the virus is proven significantly better for future immunity than the vaccines, the data isn't in yet determining exactly how long but it's definitely outlasted the initial shots and booster combined.
"General survival rate" is not very specific.
It would be inconvenient, to have to go to a doctor, to deal with a Covid infection.
It would be more than "inconvenient" to be hospitalized.
What about people who go on living after a Covid infection, but suffer for months afterwards--perhaps more than just months afterward--from what is known as "long Covid" ?
I think these "What a revoltin' development this is" kinds of scenarios are far more the exception than the norm, as Covid cases go--even for the unvaccinated--but I also think these scenarios amount to more of a risk, statistically, than any of the adverse reactions to Covid vaccinations. And I think these "bad case of Covid" scenarios are appreciably less likely for the vaccinated, vs. the unvaccinated, and even taking the comparison of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated to people that are young and in overall good health.
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"General survival rate" is not very specific. I think these "What a revoltin' development this is" kinds of scenarios are far more the exception than the norm, as Covid cases go--even for the unvaccinated--but I also think these scenarios amount to more of a risk, statistically, than any of the adverse reactions to Covid vaccinations. And I think these "bad case of Covid" scenarios are appreciably less likely for the vaccinated, vs. the unvaccinated, and even taking the comparison of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated to people that are young and in overall good health.
Overall/general is not vague or open for interpretation.
The average age of death in the United States is around 78, the average age of death for covid patient is 77. Unfortunately part of life is getting sick and dying. Being afraid of covid is similar to being afraid of traveling on the road, you can't stop transportation because you're afraid some people are going to die or be irrepally damaged. Life has to move on and the more you fight it the more you handicap yourself.
Why you are trying to argue about the efficacy of the vaccine is completely irrelevant in retrospect, I don't care if you get it or not, what I care about is the mandates and the lockdowns. If you want the vaccine, get the vaccine. If you want to force me to get the vaccine because you think it somehow keeps you safe, go **** yourself and mind your own business.
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I'm just explaining why I think the Covid vaccines are a good bet (so to speak), regardless of a person's age or circumstances. Unless there's something in their medical profile that contraindicates any of the Covid vaccinations.
I stand on what I said, about the inadequacy of a "general survival rate" to describe the situation in a meaningful way. "Survival" is too low a bar. I want reassurance for myself of more than just "survival" and I think others would be well-served to share this "more than just survival" way of thinking.
I wasn't expecting the temperament of this reaction.
But it's better to be read and remarked, than to not leave any "mark" at all, in a conversation like this.
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It's not as dangerous as the media, politicians and yourself desperately try to make it out to be. There's definitely a healthy skepticism you should have when somebody tries to mandate something that day by day is proven to not be as effective as they initially claimed.
Does that mean you shouldn't get it? No, you can look at whatever you want and decide for yourself, I'd recommend looking at the data but it's going to take some time to have a more complete picture.
The narrative is breaking, specifically YouTube/Google is silently changing COVID content guidelines in ways that don't align with the mainstream media, politicians and activists, likely because they went so hard defending those people but the data keeps separating them from reality. Eventually we are going to get to the point where supporters of mandates, fauci and boosters are going to start pretending they never supported it because it's going to be embarrassing/socially unacceptable similar to how our views of the Vietnam war evolved or the "weapons of mass destruction".
Fun fact, we have no idea how long people have been infected with COVID-19
I think many among us tend to look at the situation without weighing a certain line of thought; to wit:
This is where we are. But where would we be had there not been any of the anti-Covid measures of business and workplace shutdowns and restrictions, face masks, social distancing, restrictions against large social gatherings, the Covid vaccines and the persuasion campaigns to encourage people to get the vaccines.
Better off--or in even worse shape?
As far as this uncertainty about when the Covid virus first began to infect human beings, I'm struggling to understand the relevance of it.
Something clearly unprecedented emerged in China at the end of 2019, with Wuhan being the obvious epicenter of it, and even though China is hardly an open or transparent society, there's still quite a lot that is known here, in the U.S., about what happened in China at that time.
Originally posted by rinselberg: This is where we are. But where would we be had there not been any of the anti-Covid measures of business and workplace shutdowns and restrictions, face masks, social distancing, restrictions against large social gatherings, the Covid vaccines and the persuasion campaigns to encourage people to get the vaccines.
Better off--or in even worse shape?
As far as this uncertainty about when the Covid virus first began to infect human beings, I'm struggling to understand the relevance of it.
Something clearly unprecedented emerged in China at the end of 2019, with Wuhan being the obvious epicenter of it, and even though China is hardly an open or transparent society, there's still quite a lot that is known here, in the U.S., about what happened in China at that time.
Covid-19 could have been with us for decades and we would not have known because we did not identify it. Now that doesn't mean it's the case, but we've definitely always had corona viruses, some still currently unidentified. Wuhan is not the verified epicenter but it is the suspected epicenter, there is however conflicting evidence that is conveniently ignored. https://www.reuters.com/art...cience-idUSKBN23X2HQ
Now you're talking about what is known while rejecting it. We know what's happened in the United States as you said and other developed countries that have relaxed lockdowns and covid policies. The result is the less restrictions the better with a few exceptions. The most vaccinated and the most restricted areas are some of the worst areas as far as infection rates go. You can attribute this to either disproportionate reporting or more likely an adverse affect from the restrictions. https://citizenfreepress.co...e-double-vaccinated/
You're full of "what ifs" and "what aboutisms" while they may be prudent in some situations, we are past that, the data is coming in.
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Let me explain in a detail you will understand. I didn't foresee that you'd miss the point, but.....
So, is this post directed to me?
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Originally posted by sourmash:
you're usually being a hater here. You're aware of the implication of that. It's a sociopathic characteristic. It's a prominent trait broadcast from your persona through your posts. This forum is a place that you enjoy frothing it up to release it on fellow humans. You ENJOY it, which is another sociopathy. You've consistently been near or at the center in most dust-ups here by, at least, sniping at people you don't agree with.
Or is this a conversation with yourself?
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Originally posted by sourmash:
Someone told me you had an involvement in a grow house deal. There isn't anything I've seen personality-wise that seems consistent with herb use. Toxicity and caustic behavior don't coincide with smoke. It might be used as a treatment for those traits, I guess. Have you got a medical card for it?
And someone told me you've spent time in Atascadero State Hospital. Or are you actually still incarcerated there?
This is getting rather silly.
You've got an active imagination... and absolute zero credibility.
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I think you're perhaps misguided, and maybe somewhat paranoid, but I definitely don't "hate" you. That would require more effort than I'm prepared to fritter away on an internet stranger.
And someone told me you've spent time in Atascadero State Hospital. Or are you actually still incarcerated there? This getting rather silly. You've got an active imagination... and absolute zero credibility.
You have zero credibility, but plenty of hate. That's your defining trait. Hate. You're devoted to spewing it on Pennocks at strangers.
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You have zero credibility, but plenty of hate. That's your defining trait. Hate. You're devoted to spewing it on Pennocks at strangers.
Disregarding for the moment how stuck you are on my "hate" (which apparently now encompasses all strangers at Pennock's), how would you describe your "defining trait"?
If you refuse to answer anyone's questions, no one will want to play with you anymore.
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I'd love for you to explain what you're describing as hatred.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Disregarding for the moment how stuck you are on my "hate" (which apparently now encompasses all strangers at Pennock's), how would you describe your "defining trait"?
As a good friend of mine recently stated: "If this wasn't so politicized, it would be considered a miracle and people would have vaccination parties." Although he does say that not everyone would attend (as is their right), taking precautionary steps is always a good idea. Oh BTW, he is a medical professional.
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