Some things are just way over my head, I don't understand why we give Columbus credit for discovering the new world, the Americas.
Leif Erikson was here long before Christopher Columbus was even a twinkle in his great great granddaddy's eye.
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Leif Erikson. Definition. Leif Erikson (also spelled Leif Eriksson, Old Norse Leifr Eiríksson), nicknamed Leif ‘the Lucky’, was a Norse Viking who is best known for arguably being the first European to have set foot on North American soil along with his crew c. 1000 CE.
Honestly, banks being closed today kind of pisses me off........... It is, what it is.
America was discovered by the Chinese, the French were next.
Columbus came to North America about 500 years ago, Leif Ericson, about 1,000 years ago. As I mentioned in another recent thread, there was a thriving civilization here in Arizona over 1,500 years ago.
There have been people on this continent since the last ice age.
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Well, I did go to college with an Italian girl who's phone number was listed on several phone booths. Apparently, she was fun to be with. Can't swear to that but, she was cute as heck.
Originally posted by williegoat: Leif Ericson, about 1,000 years ago. As I mentioned in another recent thread, there was a thriving civilization here in Arizona over 1,500 years ago.
Although your lack of education is not my responsibility, I am going to help you out this time, although you really need to learn how to look things up for yourself instead of bothering the adults.
Although your lack of education is not my responsibility, I am going to help you out this time, although you really need to learn how to look things up for yourself
You know why I asked your opinion, because of the real possibility you're engaging in some whacko conspiracy theory.
He discovered it for the people that paid for his voyage. Much like I discovered the mall. It's all in the money trail.
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In 1484 Columbus began seeking support for an Atlantic crossing from King John II of Portugal but was denied aid. (Some conspiracy theorists have alleged that Columbus made a secret pact with the monarch, but there is no evidence of this.) By 1486 Columbus was firmly in Spain, asking for patronage from King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella. After at least two rejections, he at last obtained royal support in January 1492. This was achieved chiefly through the interventions of the Spanish treasurer, Luis de Santángel, and of the Franciscan friars of La Rábida, near Huelva, with whom Columbus had stayed in the summer of 1491. Juan Pérez of La Rábida had been one of the queen’s confessors and perhaps procured him the crucial audience.
Just like everything else history is dumbed down and shortened because mouth breathers can't stay focused long enough. Columbus didn't discover America as there were people living here. But he did discover America for those that sponsored him. While he was not the ideal human and under different circumstances would have lead an uneventful life, he did sail across the ocean and discovered land that had previously not been documented by his benefactors. So you can argue that there were others but they didn't keep very good records or none at all. I am sure those Vikings that came to America were saints just trying to bring the word of Odin to a new land.
He discovered it for the people that paid for his voyage. Much like I discovered the mall. It's all in the money trail.
Just like everything else history is dumbed down and shortened because mouth breathers can't stay focused long enough. Columbus didn't discover America as there were people living here. But he did discover America for those that sponsored him. While he was not the ideal human and under different circumstances would have lead an uneventful life, he did sail across the ocean and discovered land that had previously not been documented by his benefactors. So you can argue that there were others but they didn't keep very good records or none at all. I am sure those Vikings that came to America were saints just trying to bring the word of Odin to a new land.
Yeah, I just recently discovered that Elvira is a lesbian, although she apparently knew it for 20 years.
But you won't answer the question asked. Why not? Vikings of that somewhat ancient era, did they make it to or settle in the Soutwest of North America.
Columbus also helped to create a massive slave trade economy as well, so he gets credit for that..
So not what i would call a "hero" or someone to be celebrated.
If you look at who it was that took the first slave on Columbus's voyage it might open up a revealing pattern that continued from before that time and into the colonies in North America.
Wlliegoat is right; The Chinese were here "First" (Ignoring the "Native Americans").....Then Leif, then finally Columbus- But he was the one who got public recognition.
I have always thought that it would be cool to change "Columbus day" to "Explorers' day" which would celebrate all of the explorers- including people who explore other-than-the Earth's surface......(Scientists, engineers, etc)
Wlliegoat is right; The Chinese were here "First" (Ignoring the "Native Americans").....Then Leif, then finally Columbus- But he was the one who got public recognition.
I have always thought that it would be cool to change "Columbus day" to "Explorers' day" which would celebrate all of the explorers- including people who explore other-than-the Earth's surface......(Scientists, engineers, etc)
People first came to the western hemisphere across the Bering straits during the last ice age. That is why I say "the Chinese". The "native Americans" are from Asia. There is also some evidence that during the same period of time, some people followed the ice shelf across the north Atlantic from the area that is now France and arrived in north America from the east coast. Look up the Solutrean migration.
I saw three ships a-sailin', they were all heading my way I asked the captain what his name was And how come he didn't drive a truck He said his name was Columbus, I just said, "Good luck"
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Originally posted by williegoat: No, it was not Vikings as sourboy suggests.
What was not Vikings? Quote where someone said it was Vikings as you're quoted claiming. Good luck, little willie. You're just making things up now.
And then tell us what you think about Vikings of the era that are known to have arrived here a thousand years ago possibly making it to the Southwest of North America.
I think the question that is presented as the title or banner for the article is not clearly answered by the article.
"Maybe."
The Uniter States? Seriously?! The United States?! Who would bother clicking something that far out of sync with chronologically historical events? Besides 82what's his name, I mean.
Columbus was NOT looking for new lands to plunder; He was searching for a easier route to the far east....That is why the Caribbean Islands are called the "West Indies"- As in INDIA....So blaming him for Europeans conquering N. America is kind of....Dumb....
So, to sum it all up and hopefully answer the original question; it was Columbus' voyages that laid the groundwork for the first European settlements that eventually became The United States of America. The Vikings came and left, never establishing a permanent colony. Those who came before, the indigenous population, did not form the U.S.A. We say Columbus discovered America because his voyages brought the Europeans and the Europeans created America. Right or wrong, that is what happened.
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Columbus was NOT looking for new lands to plunder; He was searching for a easier route to the far east....That is why the Caribbean Islands are called the "West Indies"- As in INDIA....So blaming him for Europeans conquering N. America is kind of....Dumb....
True. As said in the other thread his funders who accompanied him took slaves when the new Indian trade route they were speculating on finding failed to materialize.
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Well, to be honest, I don't really care who or what was first, We needed the bank today and because someone at some point in time decided to make today a frick'n holiday, my schedule is screwed up for the next week. Was supposed to travel to Atlanta and pick up a Trike that's going to Austin, TX. Seller was ready, transporter was ready and the buyer was ready to send an electronic transfer of funds buttttttttttttttttttttttttttt. No Joy.
Columbus also helped to create a massive slave trade economy as well, so he gets credit for that..
So not what i would call a "hero" or someone to be celebrated.
I was taught that he was responsible for expanding trade routes, that was his goal. He was not an explorer as much as a travelling sales man trying to get to market faster than the next guy. Like everyone else at that time, they had little value in human life unless it was a commodity. If it wasn't him it would have been someone else.
Originally posted by sourmash: The Uniter States? Seriously?! The United States?! Who would bother clicking something that far out of sync with chronologically historical events? Besides 82what's his name, I mean.
Columbus didn't set foot on a mainland did he?
That was a shoddy news report that I settled on. I was trying to find my back to the news report that I remembered reading before. I just posted that one to save myself some time. It's based on something that was just published in Terrae Incognitae: The Journal of the Society for the History of Discoveries; to wit:
The Cronica universalis written by the Milanese friar Galvaneus Flamma (it. Galvano Fiamma, d. c. 1345) contains an astonishing reference to a terra que dicitur Marckalada, situated west from Greenland. This land is recognizable as the Markland mentioned by some Icelandic sources and identified by scholars as some part of the Atlantic coast of North America. Galvaneus’s reference, probably derived by oral sources heard in Genoa, is the first mention of the American continent in the Mediterranean region, and gives evidence of the circulation (out of the Nordic area and 150 years before Columbus) of narratives about lands beyond Greenland. This article provides a transcription of the passage, explains its context in the Cronica universalis, compares it to the other (Nordic) references of Markland, and discusses the possible origin of Galvaneus’s mention of Markland in light of Galvaneus’s biography and working method.
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just trying to bring the word of Odin to a new land.
