These "Brave" new "Conservatives" want to "Purify" America by eliminating ANYONE who disagrees with any part of their "Anything for Trumplandia" plans
There is a term that is well known throughout history- apparently first stated by Aesop in Ancient Greece; Together we Stand, Divided we FALL"
The new "Conservatives" want to split this country up.....Which will be just great for their main hero, Putin- Who has sworn to destroy America (But good new "Conservatives" only get their "News" from Russian-approved sources like Fox and OANN....(If you can't trust Putin, who can you trust, "Right"?)
No, Republicans are not doing that. They're stupid for another reason. Everyone can see the Dems are dividing us. The Republicans are racing to out Dem the Dems in order to 'own' them with stupid policies like, Dems are the real racists and homophobes! See, we want infinity Afghans and Mrs. Jenner!
You know it's true. We also know cvxjet is afraid to admit he's a lefty.
The reason we don't and won't have a conservative movement is because of the GOP blocking the way. They're job is to protect the party, nothing else. Draw a mish-mash of base to secure the pathway for the party. Since trends determine policy, there is no level too low to bow to. Give lip service and tuck tail.
You're "right"....I must be a lefty because my heroes are Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan and most especially, Teddy.....And you new "Conservatives "Know" that those men were evil leftys also and know that Trump and his master Putin are the real "Conservatives"
Every day I watch idiots like Desantis spit on the Constitution and the Flag while killing as many of his constituents....Oklahoma "Conservatives" removing the right of cities/counties to decide whether they will allow fracking.....Trying to overthrow every election that goes against them....it is obscene.....But Putin is very happy- and very successful at destroying America; I can see why you guys love Vlad so much....But I love America- not extremist political viewpoints....And not a Gangster/child molester from Russia....
Regardless of the evidence of whether Robert E. Lee was as noble in character and as conciliatory in defeat as has been commonly portrayed, or deserves the harsher scrutiny that I have presented previously in this thread, from Adam Serwer (for The Atlantic) and Dana Millbanks (for the Washington Post.)
If you want to read something I was preparing to send to S.Carolina Governor Nikki Haley about the Confederate flag situation;
There is more to the flag debate than what we see on the surface. I once believed that the Civil war was simply about slavery and that the south was completely wrong- A simple answer that really doesn't hardly scratch the surface.
This country wasn't yet a century old when this, one of the defining situations in our nation happened. We now look back and see an oppressed people- a moral dilemma that stained this nation and the constitution.
But most in the south both back then and even today see it as a question of how the constitution applies to the rights of the people of this nation. The separation of Federal control vs state control- the basic right of the individual- This is very hard to understand and it took me a long time to understand it. Are there racists in the south, ones that use the confederate flag as a symbol of their hatred? Of course! But there are a large percentage of the southern population that see it as a symbol more of their history, their fight to have freedoms that they believed were guaranteed in the constitution. The total devastation that the south suffered is beyond anything that most of us today can comprehend- and, of course, their economy was basically eliminated- no, this is not questioning that it had to be- I'm just trying to state how tragic this was to the people of the south. To understand and even sympathize with southerners is not to belittle the horror that was slavery.....The need to stop slavery was a moral imperative straight out of the constitution....And the devastation was necessary because of the strong beliefs that had their roots(on both sides) in the constitution that we love. I believe we can honor the thousands that died from the south, while still rejecting the moral stain that is racism.
I am not sure how we should go about it- remember that the Stars and Bars comes directly from the British flag- it is not handed down from on high; Maybe we could create a new flag that can symbolize the sacrifices of the south, and the belief that it is right(For everyone) to question the country's leadership at times, while still rejecting slavery and racism. One of the greatest and most important principles of this country is the right to question leadership, to state our opposition to what our leaders are doing. A large percentage of other govts, both past and present, have not allowed this or have severely limited the right of the people to speak out against their govt. I think it is wrong to allow the people that do hate to take a symbol of a large percentage of the population of this country at the time and use it for their own purposes....Let us use it instead to symbolize our right to disagree with our govt, the sacrifices of the south, and maybe the dawn of the future where the two sides can move on- together.
If you want to read something I was preparing to send to S.Carolina Governor Nikki Haley about the Confederate flag situation;
There is more to the flag debate than what we see on the surface. I once believed that the Civil war was simply about slavery and that the south was completely wrong- A simple answer that really doesn't hardly scratch the surface.
This country wasn't yet a century old when this, one of the defining situations in our nation happened. We now look back and see an oppressed people- a moral dilemma that stained this nation and the constitution.
But most in the south both back then and even today see it as a question of how the constitution applies to the rights of the people of this nation. The separation of Federal control vs state control- the basic right of the individual- This is very hard to understand and it took me a long time to understand it. Are there racists in the south, ones that use the confederate flag as a symbol of their hatred? Of course! But there are a large percentage of the southern population that see it as a symbol more of their history, their fight to have freedoms that they believed were guaranteed in the constitution. The total devastation that the south suffered is beyond anything that most of us today can comprehend- and, of course, their economy was basically eliminated- no, this is not questioning that it had to be- I'm just trying to state how tragic this was to the people of the south. To understand and even sympathize with southerners is not to belittle the horror that was slavery.....The need to stop slavery was a moral imperative straight out of the constitution....And the devastation was necessary because of the strong beliefs that had their roots(on both sides) in the constitution that we love. I believe we can honor the thousands that died from the south, while still rejecting the moral stain that is racism.
I am not sure how we should go about it- remember that the Stars and Bars comes directly from the British flag- it is not handed down from on high; Maybe we could create a new flag that can symbolize the sacrifices of the south, and the belief that it is right(For everyone) to question the country's leadership at times, while still rejecting slavery and racism. One of the greatest and most important principles of this country is the right to question leadership, to state our opposition to what our leaders are doing. A large percentage of other govts, both past and present, have not allowed this or have severely limited the right of the people to speak out against their govt. I think it is wrong to allow the people that do hate to take a symbol of a large percentage of the population of this country at the time and use it for their own purposes....Let us use it instead to symbolize our right to disagree with our govt, the sacrifices of the south, and maybe the dawn of the future where the two sides can move on- together.
We don't need (or want) a new flag to represent the former states of the Confederacy.
The U.S. flag remains constant in its design, but the ideas that it evokes when people see it change over time--and need to change over time.
That includes White Supremacy, Slavery, and also the apportionment of rights and responsibilities among the individual States, vs. the Federal government.
There's no place in modern times for White Supremacy or Slavery, but the boundary that divides "Federal" from "State" is mostly open to debate and the possibilities of change through lawful processes.
The U.S. flag should be associated with those lawful processes--the U.S. Constitution and all that derives from it--and not with any particular or exacting definition of the boundaries between "Federal" and "State."
Change minds, not flags.
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-11-2021).]
We don't need (or want) a new flag to represent the former states of the Confederacy.
The U.S. flag remains constant in its design, but the ideas that it evokes when people see it change over time--and need to change over time.
That includes White Supremacy, Slavery, and also the apportionment of rights and responsibilities among the individual States, vs. the Federal government.
There's no place in modern times for White Supremacy or Slavery, but the boundary that divides "Federal" from "State" is mostly open to debate and the possibilities of change through lawful processes.
The U.S. flag should be associated with those lawful processes--the U.S. Constitution and all that derives from it--and not with any particular or exacting definition of the boundaries between "Federal" and "State."
Change minds, not flags.
Not a new flag- a modification of what we had at the end of the Civil war; Take the US flag and the Confederate flag and put them together (Vertically) and use that combo flag for all of the battlefields of the Civil war.
[This message has been edited by cvxjet (edited 09-12-2021).]
Originally posted by cvxjet: Not a new flag- a modification of what we had at the end of the Civil war; Take the US flag and the Confederate flag and put them together (Vertically) and use that combo flag for all of the battlefields of the Civil war.
I guess you didn't actually send a letter to the office of South Carolina's Governor Nikki Haley?
[This message has been edited by rinselberg (edited 09-13-2021).]
Originally posted by cvxjet: Not a new flag- a modification of what we had at the end of the Civil war; Take the US flag and the Confederate flag and put them together (Vertically) and use that combo flag for all of the battlefields of the Civil war.
The Civil War battlefields, as they are maintained with respect towards the fallen of the Confederacy as well as the Union, are conciliatory in and of themselves.
A "combo" flag to represent the Union and the Confederacy, all at once--that's "excessively" conciliatory--as was this towering statue of Robert E. Lee that has just been removed from Richmond's Monuments Avenue.
