Unrelated to the coronavirus: I spent most of the day there, as my wife had a neurological anomolay of some kind about 11am today and had to be transported by ambulance to the same facility that did my heart bypass in 2015. Stable and better now..Mini stroke/ transient ischemic attack (TIA) is the thinking right now, but more tests tomorrow.
Had one myself about 5 years ago, no after effects that i know of. (Wife would argue otherwise, LOL)
I've spent lots of time at a hospital the last few days, so I know what the protocols are and the extent to which the medical community is going. Wife had what we think was a mini stroke/transient ischemic attack (TIA) Saturday and I had to call the paramedics and transport her by ambulance. Doing better now and may be released today. Have to wait and see what the neurologist says today. I have to get a new tire this morning since had a road hazard flat last night coming home and am "on the donut' now..
Appreciate everyone's thoughts/prayers and good wishes!
Pretty big hospital there in Kingwood Tx, and all doors are now closed to entrance/exit except ER. "Kingwood Medical Center is a full-service 373-bed acute care hospital, with more than 450 physicians, 1,500-plus healthcare professionals"
Everyone coming or going has to go thru the E-Room exit/entrance and everyone coming in is looked over and scanned with one of those point N shoot remote sensing thermometers.. Anyone with cough, cold,runny nose has to wear a mask. You have to wash your hands before entering the building beyond the littl foyer at E-Room and there are hand sanitizers on the walls EVERYWHERE now. In my old age, I've developed pine pollen allergy so I have the runny nose thing and had to wear the mask..not fun and I have never washed my hands this many times per day. They're taking it pretty serious and beginning this morning, they will only allow 25 total visitors at any time hospital wide and no visitors allowed between 6Pm and 6am unless (as the guy put it) "someone is dying or being born".
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My wife and I have always been preppers. not cuz we are dooms dayers but just as an insurance policy kinda of thinking incase stuff like this happens. but this panic seems unjustified.. isn't this a flu.. if your healthy with no underlying issues your for the most part.. safe? Some how juveniles seem to be somewhat immune to this and the dead so far in America are elderly.
I'm watching this unfold and conflicted on his I should be rolling my eyes and face palm or gritting my teeth and getting scared
. but this panic seems unjustified.. isn't this a flu..
Few people over the age of 20 have immunity to it, there is no vaccine for it, and no developed anti-viral treatment like the flu has. NO, Coronavirus is not the flu!
It is a completely different pathogen and a completely different family of virus. The only thing the 2 have in common are the symptoms. These are the FDA approved prescription flu treatment medications:
oseltamivir phosphate (available as a generic version or under the trade name Tamiflu®), zanamivir (trade name Relenza®) peramivir (trade name Rapivab®), and. baloxavir marboxil (trade name Xofluza®
Do they work for corona virus? They aren't sure.
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Originally posted by maryjane: Few people over the age of 20 have immunity to it, there is no vaccine for it, and no developed anti-viral treatment like the flu has. NO, Coronavirus is not the flu!
It is a completely different pathogen and a completely different family of virus. The only thing the 2 have in common are the symptoms. These are the FDA approved prescription flu treatment medications:
oseltamivir phosphate (available as a generic version or under the trade name Tamiflu®), zanamivir (trade name Relenza®) peramivir (trade name Rapivab®), and. baloxavir marboxil (trade name Xofluza®
Do they work for corona virus? They aren't sure.
From what I'm reading its super contagious but the kill rate is on par with the flu.. correct?
Not minimizing it, just want to be practical and not fall into the heard panic if its not warranted.
I'm watching this unfold and conflicted on his I should be rolling my eyes and face palm or gritting my teeth and getting scared
I'm doing the face palm thing. I usually do with doomsday scares and the human stupidity is a source of endless amusement to me.
Some minor reasonable precautions and preparations I can see, but really if it's going to happen it's going to and there isn't Jack Sheet anybody can do about it. Just like more taxes ain't going to change the climate and Willie E. Coyote's umbrella ain't going to stop an asteroid, and the real zombie apocalypse is the sheeple now sitting on $5,000 worth of toilet paper when a 59-cent damp washcloth will do the same job.
All the quarantines and everything might slow it down some and that's all. The flip side is slowing it down prolongs it.
Yippee we're all gonna die... again.
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I'm doing the face palm thing. I usually do with doomsday scares and the human stupidity is a source of endless amusement to me.
Some minor reasonable precautions and preparations I can see, but really if it's going to happen it's going to and there isn't Jack Sheet anybody can do about it. Just like more taxes ain't going to change the climate and Willie E. Coyote's umbrella ain't going to stop an asteroid, and the real zombie apocalypse is the sheeple now sitting on $5,000 worth of toilet paper when a 59-cent damp washcloth will do the same job.
All the quarantines and everything might slow it down some and that's all. The flip side is slowing it down prolongs it.
Yippee we're all gonna die... again.
lol Well I completely agree raising taxes is stupid lol
As for the virus.. I guess I'll just keep on keepin on and take precautions I CAN take and the ones I can't.. it is what it is. We are prepared for the panic but if a sickness comes through.. don't see how you can prepare for that.
As far as damp cloths... I live in Michigan and we have ice cycles lolol
It's just like Houdini's post about the checkpoint.
If they got as far as the checkpoint dontchya think the damage has been done and countless others who AREN'T from the flagged province (and won't be detained) have been exposed?
It's just like Houdini's post about the checkpoint.
If they got as far as the checkpoint dontchya think the damage has been done and countless others who AREN'T from the flagged province (and won't be detained) have been exposed?
The lack of common sense is mind blowing.
common sense ... its flat out missing from society now-a-days .. sad
When I hear socialism being pushed on American tv.. I'll give up.. wait ... never mind. lol
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March 8 (UPI) -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he plans to deploy teenagers and the armed forces to disinfect public transit station in response to the outbreak of COVID-19 in the country,
Netanyahu said the teens will work with the Israel Defense Forces to disinfect railway and bus stations citing that only one teenager in the country has tested positive for the coronavirus stating it is "not afflicting children or teenagers" although health officials say teenagers and children can still become infected and pass the virus to others.
Unrelated to the coronavirus: I spent most of the day there, as my wife had a neurological anomolay of some kind about 11am today and had to be transported by ambulance to the same facility that did my heart bypass in 2015. Stable and better now..Mini stroke/ transient ischemic attack (TIA) is the thinking right now, but more tests tomorrow.
[QUOTE]March 8 (UPI) -- Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he plans to deploy teenagers and the armed forces to disinfect public transit station in response to the outbreak of COVID-19 in the country,
Netanyahu said the teens will work with the Israel Defense Forces to disinfect railway and bus stations citing that only one teenager in the country has tested positive for the coronavirus stating it is "not afflicting children or teenagers" although health officials say teenagers and children can still become infected and pass the virus to others.
The rhetoric is getting very heated and the vulnerable empty heads are ready to be filled with whatever pap that the media wants to perpetuate. They have already scared the bejesus out of the stock market. How soon before there will be people holed up in their houses with guns at the ready?
Earlier I spoke of a 15% death rate. I sure hope that I am very wrong.
I believe you are extremely high on that death rate. Especially here in the US. The only people who are getting tested are those that are really sick. And of those a larger number will die. Simply because these are mostly elderly people with other vulnerabilities. Those that are young probably don't even know that they have the virus, so never get checked. Across the world with a larger sampling of people it is only showing up at 2 to 3%. And that has the same bias as I mentioned before of only checking on those who are very sick. There is not going to be a way to really understand the overall death rate until the current crisis is over.
How soon before there will be people holed up in their houses with guns at the ready?
Probably next week.
With some of the forums I read sometimes, I'm amazed the end times stuff hasn't started a lot earlier. Usually a good thunderstorm is all that's needed to set it off.
With some of the forums I read sometimes, I'm amazed the end times stuff hasn't started a lot earlier. Usually a good thunderstorm is all that's needed to set it off.
I know a few of these.. somehow they are drawn to me.
When you mention your a "prepper" it seems to bring out the crazy in people lol oh well I'll just stay holed in my basement with my guns lolol
I found an interesting article on another site. It talks about the Covid-19 virus and how it sheds from the patients. It is encouraging in some ways since as the patient gets sicker, the viral shedding is still there, but the virus shed is not as viable therefore not as communicable.
On the other hand when the patient first gets the virus is when the virus sheds fastest and is the most communicable.
I take from that as the virus processes through the patient the communicability of the virus goes down except in the worst cases. And that to me is not a good thing. Since without even knowing you have the virus you are highly contagious.
Originally posted by maryjane: Few people over the age of 20 have immunity to it, there is no vaccine for it, and no developed anti-viral treatment like the flu has. NO, Coronavirus is not the flu!
It is a completely different pathogen and a completely different family of virus. The only thing the 2 have in common are the symptoms. These are the FDA approved prescription flu treatment medications:
oseltamivir phosphate (available as a generic version or under the trade name Tamiflu®), zanamivir (trade name Relenza®) peramivir (trade name Rapivab®), and. baloxavir marboxil (trade name Xofluza®
Do they work for corona virus? They aren't sure.
Well I learned something. I thought this was a new flu strain. COVID-19 is related to SARS and MERS (which I too thought was a flu strain).
"Signs and symptoms of COVID-19 may appear two to 14 days after exposure and can include:
Fever Cough Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing"
Notice it doesn't say runny nose. It's also thought to be spread by airborne water droplets from coughing/sneezing. It's unknown if masks help prevent contracting it but should help prevent spreading it if you already have the disease.
On a side note I go back to work tomorrow. Shanghai to Guangzhou, then the next day to Chang Mai, Thailand and back to Guangzhou.
I believe you are extremely high on that death rate. Especially here in the US. The only people who are getting tested are those that are really sick. And of those a larger number will die. Simply because these are mostly elderly people with other vulnerabilities. Those that are young probably don't even know that they have the virus, so never get checked. Across the world with a larger sampling of people it is only showing up at 2 to 3%. And that has the same bias as I mentioned before of only checking on those who are very sick. There is not going to be a way to really understand the overall death rate until the current crisis is over.
I believe so also. I am only posting numbers related to Washington State. They went up since earlier. 22 have passed with 162 infected.
It has been correctly stated here that many millions of people worldwide catch the flu every year and tens of thousands die from it annually in the US alone. It happens here and around the world but is looked upon as typical. These numbers don't seem to faze anyone in authority, (although they might come as quite a surprise to those unaware since it rarely makes the news).
I've been asking myself since the early days of the Chinese COVID-19 outbreak, what made this particular virus any different from any typical flu outbreak in terms of total infected and total fatalities? For example, what in the world would compel the Chinese leadership to quarantine 60 million, and then 600 million, citizens and risk crashing their economy in those early days when there were no more than maybe a few thousand cases and maybe a few hundred total (reported) fatalities. Compare that to the many tens of thousands, or more, Chinese that have died in years prior from nothing more than the annual flu.
But since COVID-19 Chinese factories and businesses large and small have been closed. Manufacturing and supply streams have been dramatically interrupted. The streets are literally deserted and many large cities look like ghost towns. Many people are forced to remain in their homes and travel has been completely shut down into and out of these huge quarantine zones in an attempt to stem the tide. This was even before the (reported) fatalities started ramping up. Even while there was only a mere handful of international cases reported the Chinese were exercising their dictatorial powers in far reaching and economically damaging ways. The costs in China (and the world ) have been enormous. This level of control has never been seen before, not even in the days of SARS and MERS, both of which have been compared statistically to COVID-19, and even though there were far fewer cases and they are harder to catch, they have been found to have a much, much higher percentage of mortality.
The leadership of the Chinese Communist Party doesn't really give a damn about the citizenry. They are far more concerned with maintaining the power of the Party and the all important achievement of state mandated performance and growth numbers. If a few thousand, or even many tens of thousands, are at risk I believe they would consider that acceptable, and even typical. Certainly nothing to warrant the extremes that we are witnessing with regards to the shocking loss of economic output that they suddenly seem willing to accept.
Thinking about what's just been said by Rsvl-Rider,
In relation to ourselves here, in the United States:
Isn't it being said that Covid-19 has more reach, via community spread, than the kinds of influenza that we've become accustomed to in the U.S.?
Partly because people that are infected with Covid-19 can pass it to others even before they themselves become symptomatic. Some people may never become symptomatic, but they become carriers of Covid-19, like "Typhoid Mary."
Unlike these seasonal and recurring influenza(s) that we're accustomed to, there are no vaccines available to blunt the impact of Covid-19.
I am not informed about China, as to how successfully (or not) they are usually able to vaccinate against the more common influenza strains.
If that's not THE difference maker, in terms of how the Chinese government has been reacting to Covid-19 (vs common influenza) then (I think) ONE of the difference makers.
Even the top of the "food chain" in China, like Xi Jinping and the other high ranking muckety-mucks, cannot be vaccinated against Covid-19.
So that could explain why the Chinese government has been setting up these Covid-19 quarantines within China in such an unprecedented and "bigly" kind of way--because the higher-ups in China are concerned not so much about the general population, but about succumbing to Covid-19 themselves.
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Well I learned something. I thought this was a new flu strain. COVID-19 is related to SARS and MERS (which I too thought was a flu strain).
I gave up trying to advise folks of the distinction that this is isn'tTHE corona virus, it's A corona virus. (one of seven that humans can be infected by)
Human coronaviruses were first identified in the mid-1960s. The seven coronaviruses that can infect people are:
5.MERS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, or MERS) 6.SARS-CoV (the beta coronavirus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS) 7.SARS-CoV-2 (the novel coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019, or COVID-19)
People around the world commonly get infected with human coronaviruses 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1.
From what I'm reading its super contagious but the kill rate is on par with the flu.. correct?
Not minimizing it, just want to be practical and not fall into the heard panic if its not warranted.
I don't think anyone has a really good handle on what the mortality rate is because no one knows for sure how many (morbidity rate) have been infected. Many people believe a lot of people get a mild form of Covid-19 and probably don't even go to the Dr..BUT, they have to be included in the morbidty rate (total # infected vs total # exposed) if there is to be an accurate MORTALITY rate..
IF, there are many many more that actually have it or have had it and got over it on their own, and the researchers are informed of this, then the morbidity rate will increase accordingly, but the mortality rate will decrease...be less than the 3.2% that has been reported recently. Perhaps significantly less.
Reading Rsvl-Rider post, yup none of it makes any sense.
From the magnitude of the quarantines, to plywooding people in buildings, to the reports of Mobile incinerators being brought in to handle the volume to rest of it.
My best 2 guesses are they are lying through their teeth which we will know for ourselves in a month, or given the proximity to the lab they thought it was something else and had an "oh, **** " reaction.
Crash the supply chain, wreck the economy, get Trump defeated, get rid of tarriffs.......
Make it all back in six months....
The stock markets are "spooked" by uncertainty.
New vaccines to protect against Covid-19? Not anytime soon. Tamaflu (Tamiflu) and a few other drugs have some anti-viral effectiveness against the common influenza strains, but not Covid-19. When will there be any such drug(s)? Currently, unknown. President Trump has speculated that Covid-19 could be seasonal, like the common influenza strains, coming on strong as autumn turns to winter and then largely disappearing as spring gives way to summer, but that's just speculation.
More uncertainty: Russia and Saudi Arabia are now at odds about oil and natural gas production, and U.S. oil and gas producers look like they are going to be damaged if the Saudis carry through with a stated intention of flooding world export markets and driving down the price of oil.
The Trump administration has either purposely or inadvertently contributed to the uncertainty that is roiling the stock markets by stumbling and slow-walking the rollout of Covid-19 testing across the United States.
The stock markets can recover, but the Stable Genius of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (NW), Washington D.C. needs to start showing a steadier "hand."
Showing up at a Center for Disease Control press event and sporting a conspicuously incongruent campaign prop--that "Keep America Great" or KAG cap--and then spewing nonsense in front of microphones ... that's not a Presidential communications strategy for improving investor confidence.
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New vaccines to protect against Covid-19? Not anytime soon. Tamaflu (Tamiflu) and a few other drugs have some anti-viral effectiveness against the common influenza strains, but not Covid-19. When will there be any such drug(s)? Currently, unknown. President Trump has speculated that Covid-19 could be seasonal, like the common influenza strains, coming on strong as autumn turns to winter and then largely disappearing as spring gives way to summer, but that's just speculation.
More uncertainty: Russia and Saudi Arabia are now at odds about oil and natural gas production, and U.S. oil and gas producers look like they are going to be damaged if the Saudis carry through with a stated intention of flooding world export markets and driving down the price of oil.
The Trump administration has either purposely or inadvertently contributed to the uncertainty that is roiling the stock markets by stumbling and slow-walking the rollout of Covid-19 testing across the United States.
The stock markets can recover, but the Stable Genius of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (NW), Washington D.C. needs to start showing a steadier "hand."
Showing up at a Center for Disease Control press event and sporting a conspicuously incongruent campaign prop--that "Keep America Great" or KAG cap--and then spewing nonsense in front of microphones ... that's not a Presidential communications strategy for improving investor confidence.
Yep, Rinse. Once again a bunch of hoooie. The stock market opened up today, up about 800 points on the Dow. Even with all the hate and scare mongering of the left and the media we are in a much better place than we would have ever been with Hillary in office. Or in a few short months when Trump is reelected we will be doing great.
The only ones contributing to the uncertainty is the Left and the Media. Its as if you guys don't care about the little people you are hurting with your destructive agenda.
Yep, Rinse. Once again a bunch of hoooie. The stock market opened up today, up about 800 points on the Dow. Even with all the hate and scare mongering of the left and the media we are in a much better place than we would have ever been with Hillary in office. Or in a few short months when Trump is reelected we will be doing great.
The only ones contributing to the uncertainty is the Left and the Media. Its as if you guys don't care about the little people you are hurting with your destructive agenda.
ya I have to agree with this one. There is never a crises when a democrat is in office.. only when replublicans. The left is sooooo hateful now and the tolerance they used to scream for is 100% gone for anyone that does not agree with them. when I see all these protests from the left and the vile things they are saying.. holy smokes, how can anyone agree with them. they want everyone who doesn't think like them DEAD they are the party of hate now.
This from someone who used to be a lefty in my younger years.
Just saying it like I see it. they left is off there rocker now.
Some of Trump's harshest critics have praised his actions and quick response to the virus issue.
The oil thing isn't our crisis, it affects the rest of the world more than it does us, and was not caused by us.
Who in their right minds wants Trump to act like Obama, Bush or some other president?
Actions speak louder than words, and Trump's actions and accomplishments literally scream at past administrations' ineffective leadership and lack of solutions.
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New vaccines to protect against Covid-19? Not anytime soon. Tamaflu (Tamiflu) and a few other drugs have some anti-viral effectiveness against the common influenza strains, but not Covid-19. When will there be any such drug(s)? Currently, unknown. President Trump has speculated that Covid-19 could be seasonal, like the common influenza strains, coming on strong as autumn turns to winter and then largely disappearing as spring gives way to summer, but that's just speculation.
You neglected to mention,that WHO itself, early on,strongly suggested that Covid-19 (before it even had a name) would be seasonal and was likely to abate when the weather turned normal. So did the medical people in China and in our own country. I'm pretty sure it was discussed in the early pages of this thread as well.
lolol
