Im equal opportunity. I dont care if theyre left or right, liberal or conservative. They start attacking me or my vehicle as a crowd while im minding my own business, theyre getting shot at, run over or both until I get away. If I dont, Im taking down a lot of them with me. Im not stopping till im stuck, or run out of gas/bullets. It it takes 50 of them bleeding or squashed on the street to prove there point , go for it.
Im equal opportunity. I dont care if theyre left or right, liberal or conservative. They start attacking me or my vehicle as a crowd while im minding my own business, theyre getting shot at, run over or both until I get away. If I dont, Im taking down a lot of them with me. Im not stopping till im stuck, or run out of gas/bullets. It it takes 50 of them bleeding or squashed on the street to prove there point , go for it.
I read that it wasn't a street, that it was a mall. I never block a street or sidewalk when protesting. I'm sure that there will be more to come out.
All this over a statue of Robert E Lee... isn't it ironic that the Genreal Lee was a Dodge Charger ?
Its not just a statue, its a symbol of resistance to tyranny and a fight for freedom. Right or wrong, the south viewed the north as tyrants and wanted to break free of the union to maintain their own way of life. They refused to be ruled by Washington EXACTLY the same way America had refused to be ruled by the crown roughly 100 years earlier.
Knocking down a cheap bronze statue isnt really the issue, the issue is trying to erase the memory of men who werent sheep and were willing to stand up and tell the government social engineers of the day "**** you"
op thanks for posting that video, I had no idea the guy rammed two other cars. I thought he just drove into a bunch of people, what a dumbass. I get fed up in traffic too but damn. Someone starts beating on my car they getting the s#$% kicked outta them.
The protesters r just a bunch of crybabies moving around looking for some "ok" reason to riot and break other peoples stuff
I guess first, why is Dratts new game to pretend he's hearing things for the first time? Several threads he's done it... Yet one could probably find posts where he used the same language he's saying he's never heard used....
Second. Just because there are two groups at a place does not mean that one group has to be left, and one group has to be right... This, IMO was two leftist groups going at it. The KKK historically has been Democrat, as have the skinheads. BLM.... Well, we know who they are.
Third. The Confederate flag used to be a symbol of States rights, and the South. Now about 1 out of 5 people displaying it are displaying it because it represents states rights over Federal rights... This isn't how I was raised, but gay no longer means happy, a rainbow no longer is just a rainbow, marriage isn't just joining of a man and woman before God... And the confederate flag is no longer a symbol of freedom.. This is something I am just realizing tonight. Yes, it was stolen from us, and the heritage it represented was raped and destroyed. I don't agree with it, I don't like it. But us (Americans) not taking a stand means that we lose things like this all the time. I can take stands, but when I look around and I'm alone, then I am wasting my energy fighting about something that doesn't matter apparently.
Fourth. Just because two groups believe in one common thing, that does not mean that they both believe all of the same things. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend.
I am for the Robert E. Lee statue staying, and the KKK is for the statue staying... That is where our commonality ends. Civil war history is American History. Robert E. Lee wasn't just a Southern General, he was an American General.
All this over a statue of Robert E Lee... isn't it ironic that the Genreal Lee was a Dodge Charger ?
I dont get the point. The guy was driving a Challenger. But ignorant 'protesters' do riot over the General Lee just because its got a rebel flag painted on it.
I dont get why they protest the statues and whatever either. Its all part of American history whether you like it or not. Removing that stuff has no effect on history at all. In fact it does the opposite, bringing back more attention to it.
They demand Trump condemn white supremacy and the KKK for what ? He dont need to unless he also condemns BLM and supporters of Jesse Jackson and Sharpton. Those are much more violent than the white supremacy supporters. They call for killing cops and anyone who dont agree with them. I dont hear that from supremacists...at worse all I hear is send them somewhere else. Supremacists dont burn down their OWN neighborhoods to protest anything. Kind of shows me they are smarter. It was alright to murder 1/2 dozen cops in Dallas, but its a disaster that a guy ran down a group of terrorists and killed one. Even the liberal rioters KNOW they are in the wrong since they all show up to protest in masks and hoods (like KKK) and are bearing rocks, bricks and bottles. In Virginia, heres a question...who had a legal permit to gather ? ya, NOT the liberals. They broke the law by showing up themselves. Sorry Trump shouldnt support criminals. Police should have rounded up as many as they could and locked them up for a day or two.
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I dont get the point. The guy was driving a Challenger. But ignorant 'protesters' do riot over the General Lee just because its got a rebel flag painted on it.
I dont get why they protest the statues and whatever either. Its all part of American history whether you like it or not. Removing that stuff has no effect on history at all. In fact it does the opposite, bringing back more attention to it.
They demand Trump condemn white supremacy and the KKK for what ? He dont need to unless he also condemns BLM and supporters of Jesse Jackson and Sharpton. Those are much more violent than the white supremacy supporters. They call for killing cops and anyone who dont agree with them. I dont hear that from supremacists...at worse all I hear is send them somewhere else. Supremacists dont burn down their OWN neighborhoods to protest anything. Kind of shows me they are smarter. It was alright to murder 1/2 dozen cops in Dallas, but its a disaster that a guy ran down a group of terrorists and killed one. Even the liberal rioters KNOW they are in the wrong since they all show up to protest in masks and hoods (like KKK) and are bearing rocks, bricks and bottles. In Virginia, heres a question...who had a legal permit to gather ? ya, NOT the liberals. They broke the law by showing up themselves. Sorry Trump shouldnt support criminals. Police should have rounded up as many as they could and locked them up for a day or two.
The way I heard it, Trump's first statement was "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides." IMO that covered ALL of the assclowns who couldn't muster the self control to show disagreement without violating others' rights. If he's gonna start singling out groups, it ought to include every one of them; not doing so becomes tacit approval of whatever ones get left out.
BTW, I think the 'leftist groups didn't have permits' thing is a little fake news many are falling for. In search of what that gathering was supposed to be about in the first place (before all the uninvited groups showed up), I had to do a lot of googling, but found a presser and a few random vids by the organizer. He was complaining that opposing groups were granted 3 permits to demonstrate in adjacent parks. Not that they stayed in those parks, obviously, but I think permitts were in fact applied for and granted.
Obviously I've missed something here. Fascist bad. Anti-fascist good. I guess I don't know what antifa means.
ANTIFA aren't really against fascism... they're against Capitalism. They are protests which are largely sponsored by Soros, with the sole purpose of disrupting / attempting to disrupt President Trump's administration.
Donald Trump is not racist, let's just get that out of the way, he has plenty of people he confides in and has hired that are of varying races. Some of his biggest allies are black, Asian, Hispanic, etc.
But Donald Trump represents capitalism, and a free market society, with fewer safety nets... essentially the exact opposite of Socialism.
*EVERYONE* who is a member of "ANTIFA" is a Socialist. The anti-racism stuff is just a ruse to try to garner support. They just want to get Trump out of the White House, and get someone into office who with further the Socialist movement.
Unfortunately Dratts... there are so many people who have bought into this idea of Socialism, that somehow it's what we all want. But the truth of the matter is... it's a concerted effort by the 1%... the very people these ANTIFA people "think" they're fighting against, who are attempting to *normalize* America. America is too powerful. Socialism only works when everyone participates... and the USA is not participating. The only solution is to reduce the economic effectiveness of the US, that way the elite few will be able to ensure no competition and control society.
I really wish more people would realize this, but all the information is there. This isn't lizardman / NAZI moon base / World Nut Daily stuff... this is stated goal by George Soros from the e-mails taken from Hillary's server.
... and please don't ask me to find those e-mails again. I've already done that twice for you.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: ANTIFA aren't really against fascism... they're against Capitalism. They are protests which are largely sponsored by Soros, with the sole purpose of disrupting / attempting to disrupt President Trump's administration.
Donald Trump is not racist, let's just get that out of the way, he has plenty of people he confides in and has hired that are of varying races. Some of his biggest allies are black, Asian, Hispanic, etc.
But Donald Trump represents capitalism, and a free market society, with fewer safety nets... essentially the exact opposite of Socialism.
*EVERYONE* who is a member of "ANTIFA" is a Socialist. The anti-racism stuff is just a ruse to try to garner support. They just want to get Trump out of the White House, and get someone into office who with further the Socialist movement.
Unfortunately Dratts... there are so many people who have bought into this idea of Socialism, that somehow it's what we all want. But the truth of the matter is... it's a concerted effort by the 1%... the very people these ANTIFA people "think" they're fighting against, who are attempting to *normalize* America. America is too powerful. Socialism only works when everyone participates... and the USA is not participating. The only solution is to reduce the economic effectiveness of the US, that way the elite few will be able to ensure no competition and control society.
I really wish more people would realize this, but all the information is there. This isn't lizardman / NAZI moon base / World Nut Daily stuff... this is stated goal by George Soros from the e-mails taken from Hillary's server.
... and please don't ask me to find those e-mails again. I've already done that twice for you.
I'm not a member of antifa. For one thing I don't condone violence and apparently they do. I also don't support pure socialism. We have a combination of socialism and capitalism in this country. Capitalism alone doesn't do the job. Neither can socialism alone do it.
We have a combination of socialism and capitalism in this country.
You have said this same thing several times on this forum so lets try to put an end to this once and for all shall we?
NO. The United States does NOT have a combination of socialism and capitalism.
The reasons why this is so are manifest but let's start with a few basic highlights:
1. Socialism is defined as: A political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole or by the state.
That isn't the case in this country. Businesses are privately owned and operated with, in most cases, minimal control or interference from the government. Even what we call "publically owned" companies, those that are traded on the stock market, are essentially privately owned by the shareholders and investors. Only the shareholders have a vote in the affairs of the corporation. Not the community as a whole.
2. Police, fire departments, public roads, standing armies and navies and other such things are NOT "socialist".
In most cases the federal government does NOT control municipal or even individual state police and fire departments. With the sole exception of the interstate (defense) highway system, public roads and byways are managed by the states or local municipalities and generally financed by means of profit making, (capitalist) bond issues and similar means. While the federal government does indeed offer "matching funds" for roads and other public projects to the states, those funds are NOT given unless the initial funding is first raised.
3. I am sure that you are going to bring up *Social Security* so lets nip that one in the bud as well.
Despite it's name, *Social* security is also not purely socialist in nature either. If it were then every one that receives payments from it would receive the same amount. THEY DON'T. Instead each of us receives an amount determined by how much each of us has paid into the system over the course of our lives. That *includes* those that receive SSDI. Had it not been tampered with and stolen from by the federal government, social security would be subject to the same actuarial functions of any regular private commercial pool of insurance funds and would be solvent far beyond the foreseeable future.
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There is more than one definition of socialism. Let's just agree to disagree.
You and "Threedog" are clearly leftist "fellow travelers".
He claims there are multiple definitions for "minority".
Evidently a common practice with you leftists is that words have whatever definition you want them to have to suit you at the moment.
Yes, I know. You *claim* to be "in the middle" politically, but every post you make with any political, economic or social content is rife with far left, Marxist ideology.
To my mind there are only two reasonable explanations for that.
You are either politically, economically and ideologically clueless, or your constant claim of being "in the middle" is dishonest and you use it as "camouflage" to attempt to avoid criticism.
One thing you *are* correct about though, I will never agree with your destructive ideology.
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I have conservative ideals too. I'm not a tax and spend type of liberal. I should just ignore you and furgal. You're both on the attack against anything I say and twist my words to say what you want. Both of you are so far right that anything else is commie liberal to you.
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