Holy cow! You are right. I looked it up. I couldn't believe that such an evil guy would support them. All I can say is that he's a very untypical supporter.
It's not unusual for a sociopath/psychopath to proclaim support for causes that fly in the face of what the socio/psychopath actually believes. It's their skewed way of seeking some kind of validity or common ground where none really exists.
Holy cow! You are right. I looked it up. I couldn't believe that such an evil guy would support them. All I can say is that he's a very untypical supporter.
So, dratts... respectfully... who do you think such a guy would typically be supporting?
Every time you have something like this... 9 times out of 10... and I'm "literally" serious here... 9 times out of 10... the person ends up being a socialist.
I'm not suggesting the Republicans are devoid of any crazies... but... the numbers don't lie.
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Originally posted by dobey:
He claimed to be a nihilist too. I don't think he knows what he was really. Too many self-contradictory claims, like being a nihilist and Bernie supporter, while also being a white nationalist.
I'm going to be no-**** no-nonsense here. Part of what makes people a Democrat, or more specifically... a socialist, is that they base a lot of their feelings and beliefs on emotion. Emotional people do emotional things... that's why most of these attackers and other crazies typically end up being on the left, more than they are on the right.
If you honestly... and I mean if you did this honestly... look through all the last 30 or so shooters and crazies that were in the news, in nearly every case... they are anti-Republican and pro-Democrat.
You can make your own conclusions... but this is what it is.
As I have said before, I don't want anyone to be silenced. If someone holds dangerous extremist views, I want to know about it. Dratts, I admire you for standing up and speaking your mind in spite of the opposition. You are always civil, polite and respectful.
Well thank you! I sometimes fail. I look for counter arguments in order to expand my knowledge. I'm aware that I have a minority opinion here and I don't expect to change anyone's mind. But if I did I know that rude name calling and such just shuts off the other person to hearing any thing you're saying. Some of the ongoing angry posts have gotten tiring to me and I find myself avoiding them.
I'm going to be no-**** no-nonsense here. Part of what makes people a Democrat, or more specifically... a socialist, is that they base a lot of their feelings and beliefs on emotion. Emotional people do emotional things... that's why most of these attackers and other crazies typically end up being on the left, more than they are on the right.
If you honestly... and I mean if you did this honestly... look through all the last 30 or so shooters and crazies that were in the news, in nearly every case... they are anti-Republican and pro-Democrat.
You can make your own conclusions... but this is what it is.
I'm curious where you got the 9 out of 10 figure and I'm skeptical. I'm glad that I have emotions and I try to balance my emotions with logic.
OP needs to do more research. OP needs to realize the gunman in oregon or washington or wherever was a radical left winger. part of the socialist democrat party.
OP was made to look like a fool. also I haven't been on here long, but this Dobey guy is probably the biggest jerk, racist, bigot, homophobe, and radicalized hatefilled democrat bigot I have ever seen on any forum.
I'm curious where you got the 9 out of 10 figure and I'm skeptical. I'm glad that I have emotions and I try to balance my emotions with logic.
When you go down the list of the past 10 shooters... they were all registered Democrat. Even the Columbine kids... both their parents were all registered Democrat.
Dylan Roof... registered Democrat.
The Virginia Shooter, registered Independent but hated George W. Bush and wrote threatening letters to them on a regular basis.
San Bernadino Shooter, registered Democrat
Adam Lanza (elementary school shooter), both parents were Democrats
Orlando Shooter... Democrat.
Look, I personally don't know why this is.
The media always makes the insinuation that every shooter MUST be a right-wing loony, but they always end up being registered Democrats. I can only assume the reason is because the Democrat party has always historically marketed itself as being the party for people who are downtrodden... and perhaps these people are individuals who are the end of their ropes... but... I don't know.
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Originally posted by dobey:
Nope.
Nope doesn't change facts dobey. Go ahead and do your research, you'll be really disappointed.
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Yes, clearly having democrat parents means a young person is democrat.
I'm not sure that many killers are doing so because of whatever political party they may support or be registered as. It's bizarre to me that it's what many people on OT first have to find out, like any of these murderers represent the ideals of whichever party they may have voted for or support.
It's akin to checking if any of these losers cheered for a certain baseball team, or better yet their parents.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Nope doesn't change facts dobey. Go ahead and do your research, you'll be really disappointed.
What facts? Facts are verifiable. I will not be disappointed. Trying to assign political leanings as motive in all cases, even those without such motive, does not make your statements true. Sorry, but humans are not hard logic beings, and so nothing is so simple as to be a single binary value which rules all function.
The tired old "KKK are Democrats" line from the 1800s is just that, old and tired. White supremacy is not itself a left or right political leaning. It does however tend to be, that such views tend toward the nationalist end of the scale, which would be the conservative side, not the liberal side. In the 1800s the Democrats were the conservatives. Now they are not. Most people you see waving the enemy flag of the CSA are on the conservative (Republican, alt-right, whatever) end of that scale.
Originally posted by dratts: White supremacists are entitled to their views but I wish they would keep it to themselves.
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Originally posted by dratts: You are absolutely right! They have every right to say it. Just my wish to not hear it.
I like it when the Jehovah Witnesses come knocking at my door. Always wanting me to go to their church yet they will not come to mine. I listen to their spiel and counter it. The Church of Christ folk are the same way, I guess as the Baptists, and all the other denominations.
News flash. I didn't like Nobama. I listened to his every word.
Originally posted by slowv8fiero: OP needs to do more research. OP needs to realize the gunman in oregon or washington or wherever was a radical left winger. part of the socialist democrat party. OP was made to look like a fool. also I haven't been on here long, but this Dobey guy is probably the biggest jerk, racist, bigot, homophobe, and radicalized hatefilled democrat bigot I have ever seen on any forum.
Hey, what happened to me? Am I being glossed over now? Tossed aside like a scrap of recyclable cardboard? Discarded like yesterday's newspaper?
A little background here. Just over a month ago I posted a new thread about one of the less publicized Trump White House staffers, Seb (Sebastian) Gorka. I was "negatory" on Seb Gorka, saying (in so many words) that I had seen some of his remarks on TV and online, and that I was not seeing him as any kind of "rocket scientist" or "the sharpest knife in the drawer." I also posted a couple of "Gorka-centric" news reports of recent vintage, in which it was reported that the Gork-ster had not been able to obtain a security clearance, which had put a "cramp in his style" because he had been hired into the Trump White House to advise on national security-related issues.
It's not like I called for Seb Gorka to be sent to jail, or water-boarded.
So guess who chimed in?
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Originally posted by slowv8fiero: unreal thread. rinselberg is showing how truly unhinged, bigoted and hatefilled he is. I find this to be the case with nazi democrats.
Give me a break. This "slowv8fiero" wouldn't have known Seb Gorka from Santa Claus, before he saw my post. He was just looking for an excuse.
If "slowv8" wants to hang around and actually join in any of the discussions, it's OK with me. I'd like to see him improve his game here. Anyone can just sling epithets around, like "nazi democrat" and "nazi" this and "nazi" that.
Where's the beef?
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What facts? Facts are verifiable. I will not be disappointed. Trying to assign political leanings as motive in all cases, even those without such motive, does not make your statements true. Sorry, but humans are not hard logic beings, and so nothing is so simple as to be a single binary value which rules all function.
The tired old "KKK are Democrats" line from the 1800s is just that, old and tired. White supremacy is not itself a left or right political leaning. It does however tend to be, that such views tend toward the nationalist end of the scale, which would be the conservative side, not the liberal side. In the 1800s the Democrats were the conservatives. Now they are not. Most people you see waving the enemy flag of the CSA are on the conservative (Republican, alt-right, whatever) end of that scale.
Let's break this out... to show the true hypocrisy:
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Originally posted by dobey:
Trying to assign political leanings as motive in all cases, even those without such motive, does not make your statements true.
Says the guy who alter-ego created the post "Right wing terrorism has killed more Americans than refugees."
It doesn't get more rich than that... I mean, it really doesn't.
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Originally posted by dobey:
The tired old "KKK are Democrats" line from the 1800s is just that, old and tired.
Who brought that up? Not me... you just did though.
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Originally posted by dobey:
It does however tend to be, that such views tend toward the nationalist end of the scale, which would be the conservative side, not the liberal side. In the 1800s the Democrats were the conservatives.
Wrong, the Democrats have always been the liberal party, and the Republicans have always been the Conservative party. The Democrats try to use this excuse to explain away all of their horrible past history:
Slavery Eugenics Interment Camps etc...
The NEVER switched sides. The only thing that happens every single time, is that Democrats shed voters. This has essentially happened nearly every election that a Republican wins. There have always been dramatically more Democrats than Republicans in this country... almost always, but Democrats will ceed votes to the Republicans. Yes... sometimes the bad people from the Democrat side switch sides to become Republicans... but that doesn't change the fact that Republicans have always been for limited government, and that essentially all the evil deeds were still done under the Democrat party.
The reality is... you and 3Dogg (if you're not the same person), came on here to basically suggest that all the shooters are right-wingers (in your language). The reality is... this has always been fake news that the liberal media has pushed. It's always a Tea Partier, or an "ultra-conservative." They say this until it's discovered that the person is actually a Democrat (which happens ALMOST EVERY SINGLE TIME), and then suddenly the media goes SILENT about it.
Originally posted by dratts: But if I did I know that rude name calling and such just shuts off the other person to hearing any thing you're saying. Some of the ongoing angry posts have gotten tiring to me and I find myself avoiding them.
Truer words have not been posted here in a long time.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Originally posted by slowv8fiero: OP needs to do more research. OP needs to realize the gunman in oregon or washington or wherever was a radical left winger. part of the socialist democrat party.
OP was made to look like a fool. also I haven't been on here long, but this Dobey guy is probably the biggest jerk, racist, bigot, homophobe, and radicalized hatefilled democrat bigot I have ever seen on any forum.
That or washington or wherever is very telling, indeed.
This "slowv8" is a joke. He just let it slip here that he has no idea what he's talking about. Just another excuse for some trash talk.
Who needs to do more research?
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That or washington or wherever is very telling, indeed.
This "slowv8" is a joke. He just let it slip here that he has no idea what he's talking about. Just another excuse for some trash talk.
Who needs to do more research?
you are butthurt snowflake. The OP was wrong trying to blame this shooting on a right winger. It was done by an extreme left winger socialist bernie sanders supporter. You know, SOMEONE LIKE YOU!!
you are a radical alt leftist rinselberg based on your posts here. no more research needs to be done about you.
Face it, the majority of extremist radical crimes in this country come from the left as of late. look at berkeley, and antifa. I still haven't seen a democrat on this message board, that DENOUNCES what antifa is doing. Antifa is violence, and people like you rinselberg refuse to denounce those actions. You condone it! SICK!!
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: THREE DOG... you have purposely ignored the post I made.
Let me repeat it.
The criminal in this post, was a verdant JILL STEIN and BERNIE SANDERS supporter.
Let me repeat.... THE CRIMINAL YOU'RE CLAIMING TO BE RIGHT WING, WAS A JILL STEIN AND BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER.
And yet... you say this is Right-Wing Terrorism?
Can you address this please, and not ignore it?
I'd like for everyone to acknowledge this post because it completely invalidates your nonsense post here.
Sorry this is known as facts and liberal progressives don't believe in facts only their own narrative than needs to be pushed at all cost..
Sadly this one the o/p has the power to fill little heads with his trash as he TEACHES them.. HAS THE FACT THAT THEY CONTROL THE SCHOOLS SCARED YOU YET, HERE IT IS IN IT'S GLORY.. THE NEXT GENERATION DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE, IF WE ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE
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you are butthurt snowflake. The OP was wrong trying to blame this shooting on a right winger. It was done by an extreme left winger socialist bernie sanders supporter. You know, SOMEONE LIKE YOU!!
you are a radical alt leftist rinselberg based on your posts here. no more research needs to be done about you.
Face it, the majority of extremist radical crimes in this country come from the left as of late. look at berkeley, and antifa. I still haven't seen a democrat on this message board, that DENOUNCES what antifa is doing. Antifa is violence, and people like you rinselberg refuse to denounce those actions. You condone it! SICK!!
When you go down the list of the past 10 shooters... they were all registered Democrat. Even the Columbine kids... both their parents were all registered Democrat.
The media always makes the insinuation that every shooter MUST be a right-wing loony, but they always end up being registered Democrats.[/quote]
Who shot Dumbocratic Congress woman Gabrielle Giffords ?
Why it MUST be a right-wing loony as the media lap dogs say. Yet it wasn't.
Originally posted by williegoat: That reminds me of this old joke.
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I went fishing this morning but after a short time I ran out of worms.
Then I saw a cottonmouth with a frog in its mouth.
Frogs are good bass bait.
Knowing the snake couldn’t bite me with the frog in its mouth, I grabbed it right behind the head, took the frog, and put it in my bait bucket.
Now the dilemma was how to release the snake without getting bit. So, I grabbed my bottle of Jack Daniels and poured a little whiskey in its mouth. Its eyes rolled back, and it went limp.
I released the snake into the lake without incident and carried on fishing, using the frog.
Not long after, I felt a nudge on my foot. It was that dang snake… with two more frogs.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Yup... originally registered as a Democrat, and then registered as an Independent, but voted for only Democrats.
Thanks Todd.
Let me edit my previous post, I screwed up the quote.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: When you go down the list of the past 10 shooters... they were all registered Democrat. Even the Columbine kids... both their parents were all registered Democrat.
The media always makes the insinuation that every shooter MUST be a right-wing loony, but they always end up being registered Democrats.
Who shot Dumbocratic Congress woman Gabrielle Giffords ?
Why it MUST be a right-wing loony as the media lap dogs say. Yet it wasn't.
This persistent harping on the idea that the perpetrators of notorious murder crimes in this country are mostly "Democrats" is small change.
Do "you" think there is some significance to this idea? Let me accept it, for the sake of discussion. So, if you go over the data that is available on these perpetrators, you find among them, indicators of some political affiliation or some political figure that they identify with or support, and when you count up all of these indicators, there is more (even a lot more) that belong under "Democrat", than under "Republican" or some other Republican-like category.
How can this be explained? I think it's best explained (most likely) by a combination of factors.
The "killers" population is overrepresented with male, young (not yet middle-aged), and not particularly affluent, and that demographic leans towards "Democrat."
The "killers" population is overrepresented by racial and ethnic minorities (as against native-born Caucasians) and that demographic leans towards "Democrat."
The "killers" population is overrepresented by people who are not reliably or actively political, but self-describe a political affiliation in a casual or superficial way, and that phenomenon leans towards "Democrat."
Now, my "points" here are hypotheses. It would take some "bigly" numbers crunching to confirm or negate these hypotheses. One thing to remember is that these notorious murder crimes span a period of some years. So it's not as simple as how the demographics are tending as of today, or as of the beginning of the current month. If the crime is from 2004, "you" would need the demographics and the polling and/or attitudinal studies data from 2004.
Is there a causal factor here that starts inside the Democratic Party itself at some level--national, state, local--something in the ideologies or narratives that are recognizably "Democrat"--that attracts the "killers"..? Is it the personalities of prominent Democrats and Democratic Party leaders?
Or is there a vector or "arrow" of causality that works in the opposite direction? Is there something about the "killers" themselves that tends to draw them towards the idea of "Democrat", out of all of the alternative ideas--including no idea--in a way that is statistically significant?
Absent a statistical science-based examination of this data, "you" may have a little something here--but not very much.
How do "you" see this being used, or being useful, and useful to whom?
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EVERYONE is allowed to speak or peacefully protest, whether its liberals, supremacists or conservatives...im totally with that. Its when it turns violent that I dont agree. I assumed since your obviously anti-Trump, your thread was trying to group Trump supporters with supremacists. Sorry if I took that wrong. As to muslims, isnt it in their doctrine / beliefs that all people not of muslim faith should be destroyed or am I wrong ? If that is the case, theyre rightly grouped in together. If your a refugee or immigrant to the US, you should come legally, get legal citizenship as the law permits, speak and write the language, and follow UNITED STATES LAWS. US law, in the US, supersedes all other. If they want to live by their own laws, they should stay where they are or go where they are welcomed. I wont welcome anyone who believes all others but themselves should be destroyed.
This persistent harping on the idea that the perpetrators of notorious murder crimes in this country are mostly "Democrats" is small change.
Do "you" think there is some significance to this idea?
Yes... I think it boils down to the old adage about Democrats and Republicans.
Republicans use logic to extremes. Democrats use emotion to extremes.
For example... take a bunch of homeless people on the street:
Democrat: "We must provide food and shelter for them immediately!" The Democrat never considers the root cause, or the cost associated with providing food and shelter.
Republican: "Clearly, there aren't enough jobs. We need to do more to encourage job growth!" The Republican considers the cause, but has no thought into the "right now."
So... yes. Democrats are absolutely positively emotional. They base the vast majority of their decision making on emotion. This is how many people make decisions in their lives.
Because Democrats have a natural pre-disposition for being emotional, a shooter or violent protestor is more likely to be a Democrat.
Im saying what the law says and I agree with Tony. You left out Texas's banning of Sanctity Cities. Apparently the liberals dont think you should have a law that makes doing something thats illegal actually illegal. If its anything the liberals agree with, its legal, otherwise its not. Anything the conservatives want to do....EVEN IF ITS IN AGREEMENT with what they (liberals) WANT, it still is wrong. Comey being fired is a perfect example...they called for his head, or immediate firing and prosecution....but when Trump actually DID EXACTLY what they wanted, he was wrong again. They just follow what the puppetmaster tells them.
