You can finsih the rest on your own. CNN used a neato-little "trick" in there by substiuting the word "refugee" instead of "muslim" into their headline.
Does anybody TRACK country-of-origin or immigration status in any meaningful way when it comes to these attacks?... NOPE, that is a little side-note used by whoever for minor purposes.
The #1 point is they are MUSLIM attacks, and the attempt at leftist diversinary tactics by the Communist News Network is pretty much what we have come to expect from them.
No trick involved. The news story and the study both point out that the study involves refugees, of all demographics. Those crimes committed by people who are here under the auspices of officially declared refugee status. That's all it is and nothing more.
If there is a trick involved, it's the propensity of some to make the jump from 'refugee' to a wider range of demographics and to anyone outside the narrow window of the study.
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I am happy that there is interest in a thread like this, but infuriated that this happened.
The attacker/killer/loser deserves everything that the law can throw at him and more. A completely heinous attack by a coward.
Your view is narrow Threedog. I could determine a statistic even more in scope than what this author has done to you. You grabbed on, immediately hated folks like me (non right wing, but labeled by YOU as such), and posted. I get it.
Honest question my good man ~ What do you know about me other than my postings? Anything about me that you actually understand? I am not being an azz, I am serious as to why you would even think someone like I were so morbid as to parade such atrocities? Honestly, there is not even pizz on my toilet bowl kid. I am not a felon. I do not have a single piece of right wing hatred. My neighbors LOVE me. I am a family man, business owner, and participant in life. I have never protested. I know of MANY left wingers that have been here that protest currently. I used to give time to Meals on Wheels, but time is my issue as life moves forward.
Heck, if you really have any interest in learning, send me a PM. I would love to continue this without clouding this board. Why not? The things that you group us into are frightening.
And, I am quite sure that if we included all immigrants, legal and non legal, that your numbers look like dust.
It is not the accuracy of the study, but the morals of it's findings.
Again, only one city, but this is America's epidemic and NOTHING is being done to stem it. I have mentioned this nearly hundreds of times here, and little to no concern from you, dobey, or any of the other resident left leaners. I grew up with this in Detroit, but to many of you I am just some racist white guy. Fine, your misconceptions have been noted, but do not shy away from YOUR responsibilities as an inner city teacher, and place them upon me. YOU are in direct contact, and have the ability to sway children. For faqs sake my man, use your energy to stop the THOUSANDS of yearly killings of the children that you teach.
Edit: Or the gawd damned mass murder of 8 yesterday that I am just reading of now! Holy faq kids! Talk about a story that is being buried in a holiday hurry. THIS upsets me. THIS makes my muscles tense. Gotta go and spend some of this energy.
Kiss your loved ones folks. We are witnessing an increase in violence. Stay aware.
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MJ, if you look at the list from my 1st link, 2 of the last 3 are Somoli REFUGEES.
Its a very short, and far from complete, list.... But just 2 is enough to shoot the "zero" concept right out of the sky. In the rest of them, just because "refugee status" wasnt reported does not mean they did or did not start there.
St. Cloud , Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan , a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame " anti-Muslim tensions " for his murderous actions.)
Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan , an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7 years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give[s] peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero."
MJ, if you look at the list from my 1st link, 2 of the last 3 are Somoli REFUGEES.
Its a very short, and far from complete, list.... But just 2 is enough to shoot the "zero" concept right out of the sky. In the rest of them, just because "refugee status" wasnt reported does not mean they did or did not start there.
St. Cloud , Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan , a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame " anti-Muslim tensions " for his murderous actions.)
Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan , an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7 years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give[s] peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero."
Thread topic: Right wing terrorism has killed more Americans than refugees in the past 40 years.
I do not see any deaths listed on either of those 2 incidents you sited. At least none in the little blurbs you posted. Even the 9/11 attackers were not refugees. If I recall correctly some were here with VISA's of various sorts, some or all of which they had overstayed.
That of course does not mean they represent no danger as your blurbs show. There was a refugee incident down in SLC here a year or so ago. If I recall correctly, he instigated a confrontation with another man over religious beliefs and ended up assaulting him with a metal tube. When the police arrived he was still beating on the guy and when the police told him to drop the pipe he turned and advanced on the police. He was shot if I recall correctly but I don't remember if it was fatal or not.
I'm not saying I disagree with the idea that just taking in swaths of refugees is bad. I think the incidents we have been seeing in Europe over the last couple of years are an indication that more than just refugees are in those hordes. I also think that comparing a relatively recent group of refugees to those over the past 40 years is a misnomer as not all refugees are the same. Say something happened in Iceland and we got a sudden mostly unchecked influx of Icelandic refugees. Would they present the same potential threat of violence as a mostly unchecked bunch of refugees from Iran? I don't think they would, but maybe I'm wrong.
Also, with the amounts of refugees that have been coming in, how does that compare with the past 40 years. Did we go from an average of 25,000 refugees to 110,000 each year these last couple of years? If so what kind of regulations or what type of checks may have been suspended to ease the burden of such an expansion in numbers? Who is doing these checks? Us? Syria? Madagascar? Do we just take those checks at face value if it isn't us doing them, or do we attempt some type of verification of data?
There, as always, is much more to a subject than just a basic statistical number comparison.
Personally, I hate statistics. I have come to see that statistics are used to misrepresent any situation by manipulation of the data set or by focusing on a specific result that supports your position while ignoring the rest. Kind of like the "violent crime by Muslims" thread we had a while back that showed the small percentage of violent crime from Muslims in comparison to that amount from Whites, Black, Hispanics and such. Yes, since Muslims represent such a small amount of our population, they represent a small amount of the violent crime in America. However, if we look at that same data a different way, violent crime occurred at a rate of over 3 times the frequency from the portion of population that was Muslim in comparison to the portion that was Black. So basically say 1 in 10 Blacks assault their wives. 3 in 10 Muslims would assault their wives in comparison. Essentially the only reason Muslims represent such a small amount of violent crime is because there is such a small amount of them in our population. If Muslim population was equal to White, the violent crime percentage would cause Whites to pale in comparison.
So yeah, statistics. They are a tool used to make the argument you want to present look good even when it's not. It's all in how you want to present the data.
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Trump supporters and conservatives in general are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. Facts are liberals are responsible for more injuries and damages than conservatives AND white supremacists combined. They riot, destroy property and attack people by the hundreds at least several times a week. Berkley seems to be the capital. I cant recall seeing even one street riot in the last year by Trump supporters. Liberals are at one end of the scale with supremacists at the other end and conservatives in the middle.
Now can someone explain why a refugee ban is a good idea? It seems like we should ban all white supremacists based on the evidence.
Oh look your racist self is showing.. Pease post the white riots.. oh and the stats of white's kills in chico's every year it's 700+ of black on black , black on white , black on latino killings.. AND THAT IS ONLY ONE CITY. but don't let facts get in the way of your racism AND YOU TEACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Trump supporters and conservatives in general are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. Facts are liberals are responsible for more injuries and damages than conservatives AND white supremacists combined. They riot, destroy property and attack people by the hundreds at least several times a week. Berkley seems to be the capital. I cant recall seeing even one street riot in the last year by Trump supporters. Liberals are at one end of the scale with supremacists at the other end and conservatives in the middle.
Roger, I never said that Trump supporters are terrorists or white supremacists.
All I said was that this was an example of extreme right wing ideology, which is true. This guy was far, far right(way off the scales) and a white supremacist. I am doing the same thing that Trump does. He says we should call Radical Islamic Extremism for what it is instead of tip toeing around it and that is fine by me, as long as in cases like this we also call it what it is: Far Right Extremism.
If this frustrates anyone because they don't want to be put in a similar group as this guy, this is exactly how the millions of peaceful Muslims in this country feel.
Thread topic: Right wing terrorism has killed more Americans than refugees in the past 40 years.
I do not see any deaths listed on either of those 2 incidents you sited. At least none in the little blurbs you posted. Even the 9/11 attackers were not refugees. If I recall correctly some were here with VISA's of various sorts, some or all of which they had overstayed.
That of course does not mean they represent no danger as your blurbs show. There was a refugee incident down in SLC here a year or so ago. If I recall correctly, he instigated a confrontation with another man over religious beliefs and ended up assaulting him with a metal tube. When the police arrived he was still beating on the guy and when the police told him to drop the pipe he turned and advanced on the police. He was shot if I recall correctly but I don't remember if it was fatal or not.
I'm not saying I disagree with the idea that just taking in swaths of refugees is bad. I think the incidents we have been seeing in Europe over the last couple of years are an indication that more than just refugees are in those hordes. I also think that comparing a relatively recent group of refugees to those over the past 40 years is a misnomer as not all refugees are the same. Say something happened in Iceland and we got a sudden mostly unchecked influx of Icelandic refugees. Would they present the same potential threat of violence as a mostly unchecked bunch of refugees from Iran? I don't think they would, but maybe I'm wrong.
Also, with the amounts of refugees that have been coming in, how does that compare with the past 40 years. Did we go from an average of 25,000 refugees to 110,000 each year these last couple of years? If so what kind of regulations or what type of checks may have been suspended to ease the burden of such an expansion in numbers? Who is doing these checks? Us? Syria? Madagascar? Do we just take those checks at face value if it isn't us doing them, or do we attempt some type of verification of data?
There, as always, is much more to a subject than just a basic statistical number comparison.
Personally, I hate statistics. I have come to see that statistics are used to misrepresent any situation by manipulation of the data set or by focusing on a specific result that supports your position while ignoring the rest. Kind of like the "violent crime by Muslims" thread we had a while back that showed the small percentage of violent crime from Muslims in comparison to that amount from Whites, Black, Hispanics and such. Yes, since Muslims represent such a small amount of our population, they represent a small amount of the violent crime in America. However, if we look at that same data a different way, violent crime occurred at a rate of over 3 times the frequency from the portion of population that was Muslim in comparison to the portion that was Black. So basically say 1 in 10 Blacks assault their wives. 3 in 10 Muslims would assault their wives in comparison. Essentially the only reason Muslims represent such a small amount of violent crime is because there is such a small amount of them in our population. If Muslim population was equal to White, the violent crime percentage would cause Whites to pale in comparison.
So yeah, statistics. They are a tool used to make the argument you want to present look good even when it's not. It's all in how you want to present the data.
Exactly.
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Originally posted by MidEngineManiac:
MJ, if you look at the list from my 1st link, 2 of the last 3 are Somoli REFUGEES.
Its a very short, and far from complete, list.... But just 2 is enough to shoot the "zero" concept right out of the sky. In the rest of them, just because "refugee status" wasnt reported does not mean they did or did not start there.
St. Cloud , Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan , a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame " anti-Muslim tensions " for his murderous actions.)
Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan , an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7 years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give[s] peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero."
Yeah sure, if you go with the idea that a person who comes to this country as a refugee at the age of 2 yrs old, and and has been a naturalized citizen since '08 is still a refugee.
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Dahir A. Adan (c. 1994 – September 17, 2016) was a member of St. Cloud's Somali-American community.[16] He was born in Kenya and moved to the U.S. at the age of two[17][18][19][20] on a refugee visa, becoming a U.S. citizen in 2008
You're down to 1. congrats.
Not to mention, that both the opening post, & the article, as well as the study itself plainly states "fatal attacks" and the title is clear in reference to how many were "killed".
If this frustrates anyone because they don't want to be put in a similar group as this guy, this is exactly how the millions of peaceful Muslims in this country feel.
It bothers me that you ignore me. I only offer truths. Would you like me to hook you up with Muslims that I know?
Keep being an insecure white man. I will continue to be all that I can.
You are very wrong about just who you are pointing your lazy finger at.
Originally posted by Threedog: Number of fatal refugee attacks in the US? Zero
Nice try, no cigar for you.
How many fatal refugee attacks have killed ... how many people in Europe ?
I love your source, "Certainly Not News", aka CNN. Or is it Conflated News Network. Let me biatch slap you with your own source. CNN, cliffw's noteworthy notice.
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But President Trump's executive order temporarily banning all refugees and suspending travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries would not have applied ...
Gee, 'ya think ? Tell me 'o wise one, how many refugees have we taken in from those countries ? Be specific, like in the last 40 years. I wonder why "Certainly Not News" equates refugees on a temporary travel ban to all refugees we take in every year, from all countries, including Muslims from other countries not defined by the "temporary travel ban".
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But President Trump's executive order temporarily banning all refugees and suspending travelers from seven Muslim-majority countries would not have helped prevent Islamic bred terrorism.
Good. Let's do nothing.
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Nor would the travel ban have affected the perpetrators of any of the major Islamic terrorist attacks on American soil in recent years.
What is Certainly Not News trying to say ? That we should allow Islamic refugees in but not Islamic terrorists ? You want me to let CNN vet the threat ?
Are the illegal Mexicans strapping on suicide vests ?
I submit that ISIS has said that they intend to use refugee status to infiltrate the west to KILL. What ? You don't trust your enemies ?
You can trust your enemies. You know where they will always stand. Don't ever trust your 'friends'.
Limp dog, do you even know anything about the The United States Refugee Act of 1980 ?
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The annual admission of refugees is set to a 50,000 cap per fiscal year, but in an emergency situation, the President may change the number for a period of twelve months. The Attorney General is also granted power to admit additional refugees and grant asylum to current aliens, but all admissions must be reported to Congress and be limited to 5,000 people.
If this frustrates anyone because they don't want to be put in a similar group as this guy, this is exactly how the millions of peaceful Muslims in this country feel.
So, it is OK for you to put your choice of words in their mouths? Let them speak for them selfs and ask them to educate the jehadists. The only hope this World has of fighting jehadists is the non-jehadist muslums fighting them with counter jehadist arguments. The jehadists will not listen to infidels telling them to stop jehading. And the likelihood of that happening is zero.
Originally posted by Threedog: If this frustrates anyone because they don't want to be put in a similar group as this guy, this is exactly how the millions of peaceful Muslims in this country feel.
Yet, every time someone shoots a gun illegally , That didn't legally buy the gun, you are out in full force with every other lefty chanting more gun laws, ban guns, etc.. Odd that your logic is only a one way street..
As for your post about peaceful muslums.. You see, here in the US of A they are safe.. They can speak up about the terrorist that are killing, and not fear Them coming to their village to behead them.. yet, they don't.. Ever wonder why..?? Because when the time comes they will behead YOU and spit on your body as you fall over..
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Nice try. That guy was a Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders supporter. Look it up... dead-serious... try again.
Also... it was Trump supporters that called the police on him.
First off I'm unaware of any white supremists here. Some pretty far right people but that's a long way from the white supremist who killed those two Portland heroes. Where would I look up a connection to Jill and Bernie? I can't imagine a white supremist having any love for either one of them let alone supporting them.
First off I'm unaware of any white supremists here. Some pretty far right people but that's a long way from the white supremist who killed those two Portland heroes. Where would I look up a connection to Jill and Bernie? I can't imagine a white supremist having any love for either one of them let alone supporting them.
To the lefties if you are not a progressive liberal you are a Nazi white supremist.. It's their new "race card" Obama is not in power so, the your a racist race card b/s don't work anymore, now it's straight to white supremist or Nazi, and if your black, watch out, your an uncle tom, or not "black enough"..
It is comical that groups like the black panthars is ok , but no matter how wrong it is..
To the lefties if you are not a progressive liberal you are a Nazi white supremist.. It's their new "race card" Obama is not in power so, the your a racist race card b/s don't work anymore, now it's straight to white supremist or Nazi, and if your black, watch out, your an uncle tom, or not "black enough"..
It is comical that groups like the black panthars is ok , but no matter how wrong it is..
Supremacist! That's why spell check kept high lighting supremist for me. Thanks for clearing up the leftie label you put on me. I will admit to progressive views without labeling everyone else as a Nazi white supremacist. White supremacists are entitled to their views but I wish they would keep it to themselves.
Proud as always to be of Polish and Serbian descent. I am the second generation born in America, yet I feel their blood pumping through my veins.
Here is a little map, not graph, of where islam has conducted terror attacks. Notice Poland and it's no muslim immigrant policy? I offer this as my deterrent... It seems one country has a policy to keeps it's citizens as safe as possible from allah.
Being a mainstream conservative doesn't make a person "far right" except to the folks who are trying to paint them as such.
In fact, statistically, the country is centrist, leaning to right rather than leaning to the left.
Which makes leftists the "far out" folks.
I think that if you are a leftist and condemn everything conservative you are a 'far leftist'. Likewise if you are a rightest that condemns everything liberal you are a 'far rightest'. There are positions both right and left that I can support. That's why I identify as a centrist that is appalled by both current major parties.
Roger, I never said that Trump supporters are terrorists or white supremacists.
All I said was that this was an example of extreme right wing ideology, which is true. This guy was far, far right(way off the scales) and a white supremacist. I am doing the same thing that Trump does. He says we should call Radical Islamic Extremism for what it is instead of tip toeing around it and that is fine by me, as long as in cases like this we also call it what it is: Far Right Extremism.
If this frustrates anyone because they don't want to be put in a similar group as this guy, this is exactly how the millions of peaceful Muslims in this country feel.
THREE DOG... you have purposely ignored the post I made.
Let me repeat it.
The criminal in this post, was a verdant JILL STEIN and BERNIE SANDERS supporter.
Let me repeat.... THE CRIMINAL YOU'RE CLAIMING TO BE RIGHT WING, WAS A JILL STEIN AND BERNIE SANDERS SUPPORTER.
And yet... you say this is Right-Wing Terrorism?
Can you address this please, and not ignore it?
I'd like for everyone to acknowledge this post because it completely invalidates your nonsense post here.
Ah nice, a map with no reference as to the origin, and a search of the image shows no origination data, only thousands of twitter posts, some redditors, pinterest, and far right propaganda sites re-sharing the image with no origin.
While only showing 2017 attacks, and slightly out of date (the recent terror attack by a white supremacist on a Portland train isn't on it), this map paints a slightly different picture:
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Nice try. That guy was a Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders supporter. Look it up... dead-serious... try again.
Also... it was Trump supporters that called the police on him.
Holy cow! You are right. I looked it up. I couldn't believe that such an evil guy would support them. All I can say is that he's a very untypical supporter.
As I have said before, I don't want anyone to be silenced. If someone holds dangerous extremist views, I want to know about it. Dratts, I admire you for standing up and speaking your mind in spite of the opposition. You are always civil, polite and respectful.
Originally posted by dratts: Holy cow! You are right. I looked it up. I couldn't believe that such an evil guy would support them. All I can say is that he's a very untypical supporter.
Where did you find that?
He's a known white supremacist in Portland area, and went to an alt-right rally looking to start fights with the left wing protesters at the event.
He claimed to be a nihilist too. I don't think he knows what he was really. Too many self-contradictory claims, like being a nihilist and Bernie supporter, while also being a white nationalist.
He claimed to be a nihilist too. I don't think he knows what he was really. Too many self-contradictory claims, like being a nihilist and Bernie supporter, while also being a white nationalist.
I just googled Portland killer and connection with Jill and Bernie. There were about a dozen references. I was dumbfounded.
Poland's current political situation is also nothing to be wanting of. The term "descent" is quite appropriate.
I have my culture, you have yours.
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I read earlier where "republicans have nothing but violence left". Interesting, seeing that so much violence and terror is from the left?
"Hey, hey, ho, ho, white people have to go!" *The chant @ Evergreen State College by blacks in mass towards a white professor that posted about equality.
Yes, descent indeed.
Funny dobey, what have you accomplished? No accolades, and a thread that is stripped of pics that lead to nowhere. I do not mind you talking smack, but you have no back bone. Nothing to prop yourself up with. You claim coding notoriety, but it is just a claim. From Boston to Newport, only a swath of failure and garbage. An LS motor in disrepair, a busted up yard, and anger. As usual, only angry flip outs and stress. Have a cookie bro.
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Obviously can't back up any claims with facts, only attacks of a personal nature. You can't even make good personal attacks. What an accomplishment that is.
You only care to try and tear others down. A complete and utter disgrace to carbon atoms. You have serious issues if you think I need or seek your approval. I do not. Your disillusion will only be the end of you.
Obviously can't back up any claims with facts, only attacks of a personal nature. You can't even make good personal attacks. What an accomplishment that is.
You only care to try and tear others down. A complete and utter disgrace to carbon atoms. You have serious issues if you think I need or seek your approval. I do not. Your disillusion will only be the end of you.
Others? Yeah, no.
You do not need my approval. Why would anything I say have any affect on your life? If this forum is getting to you...
I still find it disgusting that this turd of a person went off and murdered people over a religion. No one should fear walking or traveling. Regardless of any differences.
We need to start cleaning out our own closets. If you see mess around you, just pick it up people.
I hope you do not mind a linky dink from Certainly Not News, aka CNN. It is true though.
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Security officers saw five people dressed in black leaving the Capitol, including one who threw a smoke bomb inside, according to complaints filed by the city attorney’s office. They went to a nearby spot and “tried to change their appearance by doing things like taking off their black clothing, putting on different jackets or hats, and turning their clothing inside out,” the complaints said.
When police approached, they scattered and ran. Steve Frazer, who was then a St. Paul police senior commander, chased a man who was later identified as Woody Kaine.
Heh, Woody Kaine.
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Clad in black and wearing a mask, the youngest son of Democratic vice presidential nominee Tim Kaine wrested himself from the cop and then “squared off” with him.
Woody Kaine, 24, was among five masked, black-garbed people suspected of lobbing a smoke bomb minutes earlier inside the Minnesota Capitol rotunda Saturday afternoon.
Officers had chased him down, but Kaine wasn’t about to submit, according to a more detailed account provided Wednesday by St. Paul police.
In the end, it took three officers, a “knee strike” and a chemical spray to subdue Kaine after he was identified as one of the counterprotesters [sic] who allegedly used fireworks or a smoke bomb to disrupt a rally in support of President Donald Trump at the Minnesota State Capitol, according to police spokesman Steve Linders.
The unseen news ? Now the Dumbs wear black masks, instead of white hoods.
I hope you do not mind me going back to CNN.
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Certainly Not News Seven others charged, two face felonies Ramsey County declined to press felony charges against Kaine and five others, but St. Paul City Attorney Samuel Clark did further investigation and brought the charges against Kaine. "In my mind, this has always been about making sure that people who seek to express themselves peacefully can do so free from fear of violence. That should be a bright line for everyone," Clark said. Two other people arrested in connection with the incident were charged by Ramsey County prosecutors with felonies for allegedly using tear gas. They also face other misdemeanor charges.
Remember the paid Dumb operatives, who infiltrated candidate Trump rallies ? To blame the ensuing violence on Trump.
I used to give time to Meals on Wheels, but time is my issue as life moves forward. 
Holy faq kids! Talk about a story that is being buried in a holiday hurry. THIS upsets me. THIS makes my muscles tense. 
Gotta go and spend some of this energy. 
I only offer truths. Would you like me to hook you up with Muslims that I know? 
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