I had to laugh when I was talking to someone and, when I mentioned what a mouth Nixon had on him, they said "Well, he wasn't running for President." My response was the question "Okay, so it's bad if they have a raunchy mouth before they're President, but it's okay to have the same raunchy mouth while they're President?" My thoughts go to FDR, Nixon, and Bill Clinton. FDR and Nixon had foul mouths on them and Clinton had his mouth on others.
True. But I suppose the question is "Which one do you trust to not let their ego dictate how they do their job?" Trump could let that happen and Hillary has a track record of letting that happen. The only difference is Trump "could" let that happen. In all honesty he probably will though. So do we take a chance on "could" or "has?" They say that anyone who'd be good for the Presidency doesn't want it, and anyone who wants it isn't good for the Presidency. Either way, we're screwed and it's only going to get worse each election cycle I think.
I feel certain Trump lost a lot of feminist votes and some votes from the ladies. Two separate categories in my mind. They weren't voting for him anyway so, those losses are minimal.
Show me the man that says he hasn't lusted over some woman and I'll show you a liar or a homosexual.
Very few minds/votes will change over this. Doesn't help Trump but, really won't influence those who dislike the other option.
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You have to kind of wonder why 50 Shades of Gray sold over 80-million copies and spurring movie series.
It isn't such a "guy" thing, is it?
Precisely.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
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I feel certain Trump lost a lot of feminist votes and some votes from the ladies. Two separate categories in my mind. They weren't voting for him anyway so, those losses are minimal.
Show me the man that says he hasn't lusted over some women and I'll show you a liar or a homosexual.
Very few minds/votes will change over this. Doesn't help Trump but, really won't influence those who dislike the other option.
Precisely.
It's "Identity Politics" being played out. This is NOT the Democrat party of JFK or even Carter. The Dem party today is filled with the leftist radicals of the 60's and 70's.
They divide people into "identity groups" by race, sex, income, education, where they live and any other means possible. Then they individually pander to "issues" they deem intrinsic to each group.
This has it's roots back in the 60's with what I saw with the SDS, (Students for a Democratic Society). There was the Women's Liberation (feminists), the Black Panthers, The Maoist Communists, (PL), the Young Socialist Alliance, the War Resisters League, the Revolutionary Youth Movement, (RYM)...and on and on and on......and NONE of the myriad of groups could get along with each other for very long. Each of the factions within SDS had it's own singular agenda.
That is what the Democrat party today is composed of. A bunch of special interest *identity groups*, each with their own agenda.
This latest "tempest" is simply an attempt to use an 11 year old recording of Trump to try to strip away a perceived *identity group* from him. That's the way the left sees things.
Their problem, and the thing they cannot comprehend, is that they aren't dealing with a bunch of different, factionalized "identity groups". They are up against a ideology. An ideology that is far more cohesive and inclusive than they can understand because that conservative ideology *bridges* the identity groups that leftists only see.
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In all honesty, who really cares what DeNiro thinks? Or, any other celebrity?
Celebrities seem to have an over inflated ego thinking they carry some weight in what the rest of us think.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
All politicians are "celebrities." It's simply American Idol for people lacking creative talents.
Speaking of which, I'm surprised it took this to finally make McCain jump ship. One would've thought Trump's crack about POWs would've done it months ago.
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“In addition to my well known differences with Donald Trump on public policy issues, I have raised questions about his character after his comments on Prisoners of War, the Khan Gold Star family, Judge Curiel and earlier inappropriate comments about women. Just this week, he made outrageous statements about the innocent men in the Central Park Five case.
“As I said yesterday, there are no excuses for Donald Trump’s offensive and demeaning comments in the just released video; no woman should ever be victimized by this kind of inappropriate behavior. He alone bears the burden of his conduct and alone should suffer the consequences.
“I have wanted to support the candidate our party nominated. He was not my choice, but as a past nominee, I thought it was important I respect the fact that Donald Trump won a majority of the delegates by the rules our party set. I thought I owed his supporters that deference.
“But Donald Trump’s behavior this week, concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy. Cindy, with her strong background in human rights and respect for women fully agrees with me on this.
“Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President.”
Originally posted by Boondawg: What would you do if your 18 year old daughter told you some guy grabbed her by the *****?
Hang on a second. Let me remember when was 18 years old.
My daughter is 24 years old. Never married. She has one son and is again pregnant, by a different babies daddy.
She is giving her snatch away. Why ?
.a) sexual gratification .b) for a new meal ticket/Dad .c) greed .d) manipulation/power .e) a step forward in status .f) stupidity .g) who knows
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Originally posted by Boondawg: Would you excuse it as just "guy stuff"?
No. I would in part fault my daughter. Men just don't go around instantly grabbing every woman's puzzie. Men are not stupid. Facts are, that if a man grabbed a daughter's pussie she would not tell her Dad. Did anyone call the police about Trump's molestation ?
What I would do, and what I do, is become the Father from Hell. Both to my daughter, and the drickhead. To be honest with you, I am good at it. To be totally honest with you, I enjoy it, .
Also, why are you being such a chauvinistic pig ? Just like the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, who said ... women should be cherished, revered. Women complain about double standards and I an sick and tired of it too. They want to be equal with men, they should be treated no better than men.
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Originally posted by Boondawg: Both of these candidates are absolutely the worst kind of people. We get exactly what we deserve...☠️
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Originally posted by Boondawg: ... the worst kind of people.
This country was not founded by church mice. Facts are, no polls at the time, more people at the time wanted to keep sucking the King's dRick. The revolutionary army was recruited out of bars/taverns. The wild west ? Explored, settled, and tamed, with saloons. WW II ? Schlitz beer was there. The official beer of the military.
The worst kind of people ? Trump got caught telling the truth. Ask Doni. HildaBeast lies and it gets no attention ? Two faced HildaBeast.
Just so some of you know, i'm not coming from some place up-on-high; I speak similarly sometimes when joking among my friends.
But I'm doing a comedy act. I don't actually do it or believe it. And my friends don't believe I do, either. The comedy is in the ridiculousness of it coming from me.
This dude sounds more like a predator than a regular guy just joking around...
According to SNOPES, this recording was taken out of context because Obama was just reading his father's book.
All I'm going to say is, he felt it was important enough to read it, for what purpose. Saying it versus reading it, give me a frigg'n break.
Hypocrites are foaming at the mouth over this recording of Trump. I won't suggest it's alright but, I will suggest that there isn't a person on this board that hasn't said something similar in private that most surely would not want it recorded and put out in public. Bunch of frigg'n hypocrites? I guess, let your conscience by your guide. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
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I did way more damage with my tongue last night than Trump did with his words in regards to pussy. To quite the applause I may add. No calls for arrest, but one or two to "Oh My Gods!"
Eh, was anyone murdered near him lately? How about the other candidate? Yeah, twisted country.
Disturbing content. Liberal ears will hurt.
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I'm pretty bummed. My wife told me today she's decided she's not going to vote. She can't bring herself to vote for Trump because of those comments, and she would never vote for Hillary because of how corrupt Hillary is. The thing is, my wife considers herself a Democrat, but she has voted Republican the past couple of times. I'm pretty sure that I can convince her to vote in this election, and vote for Trump... but what of all the people that just got turned off to Trump... that I can't influence?
The thing that hurts bad, is the reality that I feel that our country is truly lost. I truly, at this point, believe our best days are behind us.
What made America great is our pride in country, and our inherent defiance we had as a culture. It was that defiance that we held which we believed allowed us to be capable of anything, if only you put in the effort. Today's young adults were raised to NOT have respect for America, but instead for government institution. They believe truly that Government is the solution, and that fairness is something that can be brought about by taking from others.
We're about to elect the most corrupt politician this country has truly ever seen. Hillary Clinton has had about a dozen "Nixon" scandals... any one of which would have destroyed anyone else. For some reason, the media does everything they can to support her. We finally have a candidate from a major political party who has openly said he will destroy the establishment... and yet we are choosing to vote for the most corrupt establishment candidate in history.
I simply don't get it. All these years, Democrats have said that George Bush (and whomever Republican...) represents political corruption. We now have Hillary Clinton who literally embodies everything that Democrats hated Republicans for... and we have actual proof of all of it, and they're voting for Hillary... completely ignoring everything they said years ago.
Why I'm sad is because I know that Hillary will provide access for foreign governments and corrupt corporations to what is left of our country's earning potential. We are on the decline. We are now 20 trillion dollars in debt. In 4-8 years... if we haven't become bankrupt outright, we'll be financially insolvent.
I know that many Democrats don't believe in America, and believe the one thing holding the world back from a one-world UN-style run government is America... but I implore you people to think twice about this. For whatever it's worth... you finally have a chance to end corruption... don't VOTE for corruption.
I'm pretty bummed. My wife told me today she's decided she's not going to vote. She can't bring herself to vote for Trump because of those comments, and she would never vote for Hillary because of how corrupt Hillary is. The thing is, my wife considers herself a Democrat, but she has voted Republican the past couple of times. I'm pretty sure that I can convince her to vote in this election, and vote for Trump... but what of all the people that just got turned off to Trump... that I can't influence?
It's clear that Hillary's campaign is working harder to discourage republican to not vote than trying tell getting them to vote for her. Good strategy since there is no convincing reason to vote for her either. It is telling just how quickly some Trump supporters act like they are going to bail. I say act because the only ones we hear about are those who are asked. Voting still remains private.
Hypocrites are foaming at the mouth over this recording of Trump. I won't suggest it's alright but, I will suggest that there isn't a person on this board that hasn't said something similar in private that most surely would not want it recorded and put out in public. Bunch of frigg'n hypocrites? I guess, let your conscience by your guide.
Guess what? You're not running for POTUS.
Since when at the national political level has one's past been off-limits? If that's the case, it only happened this year. That certainly wasn't the case 8 years ago.
He could always simply grab her p***y and drag her to the polling place by her pubes......people would think him a Trump super-delegate.
No, no they would not. So, now it is "grab them by her pussy and drag her to the polling place by her pubes"? No one would think that dude.
Do you plan on having the Black Panthers at this years voting booth doors Doni? Will your murderous, power hungry candidate say the word "****** " again with this email dump? Did anyone get murdered in any of the inner cities since the last time I asked? How many compared to the Police shootings that your BLM movement is so passionate about? Numbers man. You are in the wrong game. Stick with the drums and your limited celebrityship.
No, no they would not. So, now it is "grab them by her pussy and drag her to the polling place by her pubes"? No one would think that dude.
Do you plan on having the Black Panthers at this years voting booth doors Doni? Will your murderous, power hungry candidate say the word "****** " again with this email dump? Did anyone get murdered in any of the inner cities since the last time I asked? How many compared to the Police shootings that your BLM movement is so passionate about? Numbers man. You are in the wrong game. Stick with the drums and your limited celebrityship.
LOL!!
You're a never-ending source of amusement and SO easy to bait.
Keep up the good work, m'dear.
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I'm pretty bummed. My wife told me today she's decided she's not going to vote. She can't bring herself to vote for Trump because of those comments, and she would never vote for Hillary because of how corrupt Hillary is. The thing is, my wife considers herself a Democrat, but she has voted Republican the past couple of times. I'm pretty sure that I can convince her to vote in this election, and vote for Trump... but what of all the people that just got turned off to Trump... that I can't influence?
The thing that hurts bad, is the reality that I feel that our country is truly lost. I truly, at this point, believe our best days are behind us.
What made America great is our pride in country, and our inherent defiance we had as a culture. It was that defiance that we held which we believed allowed us to be capable of anything, if only you put in the effort. Today's young adults were raised to NOT have respect for America, but instead for government institution. They believe truly that Government is the solution, and that fairness is something that can be brought about by taking from others.
We're about to elect the most corrupt politician this country has truly ever seen. Hillary Clinton has had about a dozen "Nixon" scandals... any one of which would have destroyed anyone else. For some reason, the media does everything they can to support her. We finally have a candidate from a major political party who has openly said he will destroy the establishment... and yet we are choosing to vote for the most corrupt establishment candidate in history.
I simply don't get it. All these years, Democrats have said that George Bush (and whomever Republican...) represents political corruption. We now have Hillary Clinton who literally embodies everything that Democrats hated Republicans for... and we have actual proof of all of it, and they're voting for Hillary... completely ignoring everything they said years ago.
Why I'm sad is because I know that Hillary will provide access for foreign governments and corrupt corporations to what is left of our country's earning potential. We are on the decline. We are now 20 trillion dollars in debt. In 4-8 years... if we haven't become bankrupt outright, we'll be financially insolvent.
I know that many Democrats don't believe in America, and believe the one thing holding the world back from a one-world UN-style run government is America... but I implore you people to think twice about this. For whatever it's worth... you finally have a chance to end corruption... don't VOTE for corruption.
I can understand that. But I do believe the Clinton minions did bring this out a bit to early and they know that. They had to respond to the Wikileaks stuff that just come out. So they blew their last wad on the Republicans with this 11-year old locker room recording.
Why I say it is too early? Because in two-weeks, this will be a long forgotten story and past the who cares by election time. Now if it was the weekend before the election, that is one thing. But this isn't going to do much to hurt Trump in a month from now....assuming everything is normal by then.
Hillary lost the first debate to Trump. Kaine clearly lost to Pence. So they are getting very desperate.
Plus they had to hide Hillary and pump her up full of drugs so she could at least stand for a couple of hours for tonight. Then her handlers will tuck her back inside and out of the public eye.
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Go about your day Doni. Enjoy it even. Neither of us are going to ruin another's day. You say that you are a community activist/mentor. Go do good. Energy wasted on me is in vain. Good luck...
It's clear that Hillary's campaign is working harder to discourage republican to not vote than trying tell getting them to vote for her. Good strategy since there is no convincing reason to vote for her either. It is telling just how quickly some Trump supporters act like they are going to bail. I say act because the only ones we hear about are those who are asked. Voting still remains private.
I'm still voting for Trump, and I encourage everyone else to vote for Trump as well. It's not about what Trump said 10-15 years ago.. it's about what this election means for the future of this country.
I'll be able to convince my wife... I just hope others aren't disaffected.
Go about your day Doni. Enjoy it even. Neither of us are going to ruin another's day. You say that you are a community activist/mentor. Go do good. Energy wasted on me is in vain. Good luck...
I'm not trying to ruin your day, m'dear. In fact I wish you as much happiness as you can grab. Besides, I'm not wasting my energies.....even I need the occasional diversion and that's what this serves as. Down time.
Just so some of you know, i'm not coming from some place up-on-high; I speak similarly sometimes when joking among my friends.
But I'm doing a comedy act. I don't actually do it or believe it. And my friends don't believe I do, either. The comedy is in the ridiculousness of it coming from me.
This dude sounds more like a predator than a regular guy just joking around...
You do understand that the furor is over Trump's *talk* ? I have not read or heard of any allegations of any *acts* that accompany the *words*
Conversely, we have Clinton's *talk*, in the form of her own spoken words, AND documented by her emails. Along with that we have a long history of a series of definitive egregious *acts* by her.....a very LONG history.
On balance, which is actually more dangerous to the UNITED STATES and its citizens?
If any of this was simply a contest of "moral purity", neither of these candidates would be running,
BUT IT ISN'T.
If we are to judge on the basis of just this topic, it simply comes down to a choice between a man who has said some off-color, disrespectful things in the past and a woman with a documented criminal history. THAT choice should be clear for any rational person.
This is also about the ideological direction that this country will take, likely for the next several decades.
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I'm still voting for Trump, and I encourage everyone else to vote for Trump as well. It's not about what Trump said 10-15 years ago.. it's about what this election means for the future of this country.
Yes. There is a much bigger picture to be considered.
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You can argue whether he's sincere or not, but when was the last time you saw ANY politician accept responsibility for anything, let alone apologize for it?
Some people have noticed the difference in how Trump has handled this compared to the way Democrats handle their scandals:
Yet you are totally unwilling to judge him by your own criteria:
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Originally posted by Boondawg:
Just so some of you know, i'm not coming from some place up-on-high; I speak similarly sometimes when joking among my friends.
But I'm doing a comedy act. I don't actually do it or believe it. And my friends don't believe I do, either. The comedy is in the ridiculousness of it coming from me.
This dude sounds more like a predator than a regular guy just joking around...
The problem is that the people have been told that this is a BIG DEAL, just as they were told that all of Clinton's transgressions are insignificant. The people will do as they are told.
I'm more concerned with what Hillary has done than by what Donald has said. And that is an actual opinion I stand by, not just shtick for comedic value.
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I'm more concerned with what Hillary has done than by what Donald has said. And that is an actual opinion I stand by, not just shtick for comedic value.
Since when at the national political level has one's past been off-limits? If that's the case, it only happened this year. That certainly wasn't the case 8 years ago.
Jus' sayin'.
Didn't want the job anyway. But, thanks for noticing. Who suggested a candidate's past was off limits? Far from it in my opinion. If Democrats would pay more attention to Hillary's past, they'd know what to expect from her in the future. Heck, they might have picked a more honest candidate. Who knows, I can think of several Dems I'd vote for over Trump or Clinton.
Surely didn't mean to touch a sensitive nerve. But, you know what they say about "if the shoe fits".
Jus' sayin'
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
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I'm more concerned with what Hillary has done than by what Donald has said.
and there we are..... Dont forget Hillary winning puts Billy right back in the candy store. Anyone really think hes changed to 'hands off the playthings'. Sex offenders never change...proven fact.
On topic, id like to bang Faith Hill...even though shes 50. She looks as good as any 20 year old on stage last week. Everyone knows there no chance of that...just talk.
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he felt it was important enough to read it, for what purpose. Saying it versus reading it, give me a frigg'n break. 
No one would think that dude. 
