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Supreme Court Justice: Antonin Scalia dead by Wichita
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Worsen racial tensions? These things have been simmering for a long time and it doesn't help when you have blacks being killed by police officers (again), in the news. Also, you are forgetting the rise of social media, which bypasses the traditional media. We have never see such immediate access to information, before this (before Obama). Global relations? What exactly don't you like? We are getting out of the middle east, finally. Debt? Congress controls the purse strings.

You have proven my point.

The US made air strikes in Libya yesterday, and in Yemen a few days ago. I don't know how many US boots are now on the ground in Iraq, but it's several thousand IIRC, as well as the group of targeting specialists that White House spokesman talked about being in Northern Syria last week. Congress may "control the purse strings" as far as appropriations go, but the Prez has veto power and currently (and has had for decades) the authority to direct DoD and State to redirect previously apportioned funds anywhere he wishes it to go. Most recent Presidents have done so as dynamics change. Spending by congress will have a negligible effect on debt for several years, as it will take that long to see any paydown or reduction in debt service, and according to GAO, beginning in 2020, the debt will again begin to rise due to US notes maturing and the economic growth leveling out--not that there has been much growth in the last few years. OECD said it expected U.S. economic growth will come in at 2.0 per cent in 2016 and 2.2 per cent in 2017 compared with the 2.4 per cent estimate for 2015. China is complaining that their own economic growth has currently fallen to 6.7%, and OECD says in 'worst case scenario" that growth could contract to 3.8% later this year...we should be so lucky to have a 3.8% growth factor.

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They had enough time to create a body for the casket... I am guessing he is on a beach enjoying a new life.


Good!

Time to resume our normal lives.
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China is complaining that their own economic growth has currently fallen to 6.7%, and OECD says in 'worst case scenario" that growth could contract to 3.8% later this year...we should be so lucky to have a 3.8% growth factor.



Comparing China to the US is difficult. China's economy is not run like ours and they need that type of growth to just maintain.

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Comparing China to the US is difficult. China's economy is not run like ours and they need that type of growth to just maintain.


Historically, the US has always needed (according to The Fed) an annual growth of 3.5% to "maintain". Considering we have a population of about 1/3 that of China, and almost exactly the same land mass, the required 'maintenance' rates are comparable.
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You are rating his performance on what exactly?

The same information accessible to us both. His job performance is in every way in the news. How we interpret the information is based on our political point of view.
 
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This part of my point. Doesn't matter what Obama does, he is blamed.

He is a political figure, by nature that works against him.
 
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You may not hate him, but there are many, many others who do. There are people out there (not saying you are one) who think he is in office to bring about a black uprising, or socialism (which by definition, he is not). There are people who truly hate this man, not just because of his political views but because of his upbringing and the color of his skin. That is scary.

Thank you for recognizing this, but I would add that I don't want him dead either, that would be a HUGE setback for America, specifically in race relations because no matter what the cause of hi death it would be considered an assassination..
 
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I would meet with any President. Heck, what an opportunity!



Just the trip to the White House would be an event and honor.
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Historically, the US has always needed (according to The Fed) an annual growth of 3.5% to "maintain". Considering we have a population of about 1/3 that of China, and almost exactly the same land mass, the required 'maintenance' rates are comparable.


The data out of China is rigged, as is their economy (well.... worse than ours is rigged).
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Speaking of disrespect, our president isn't even going to Scalia's funeral. It is tradition for the sitting president to attend the funeral for high federal government officials who die in office - out of respect for the deceased and the office they occupied. This has been common practice for sitting presidents even if they don't agree with the deceased person politically.


RESPECT:



Justice Scalia's former law clerks at the U.S. Supreme Court

Just a part of his great legacy.

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Worsen racial tensions? These things have been simmering for a long time and it doesn't help when you have blacks being killed by police officers (again), in the news.


This is along the same arguments some people and the mass media like to make when they point out there is a disproportionate amount of African American males occupying jail cells vs. whites. Yes, I agree there is a disproportionate amount of African American males in jail given the current population makeup. But is that because most white people are racist and the judicial system is slanted; and the scales of justice are tipped to favor whites over African Americans? Or is it because the culture of those people in jail doesn't discourage criminal behavior - and they live their lives lawlessly and end up getting caught?

I've been told a lot of white people voted for Obama because they had "white guilt" and/or thought that by electing an African American to the highest position in the land would finally cure racism in this country. It's sad that Obama has done absolutely NOTHING to repair and heal racial relations since he took office over 7 years ago. A huge opportunity has been squandered, for sure. Instead, he has advanced his own party's agenda which has been and will continue to be detrimental to the African American community.

Ben Carson is probably one of the best examples of what is possible in one's life if they would only apply themselves and work hard. You would think the left would hold this man in high regard because of what he was able to do with his own life by applying himself. But instead, they vilify him because his life story goes against the policies of the left (policies that are engineered to keep the African American community right where they currently are in society). And he's not an exception by any means. I have a number of African American friends who own and run their own small businesses and who are successful. And they do mention to me how people in their own community look down on them for doing so.

Racial tensions, indeed. I'd be pissed too if every politician that claimed to be for helping "my people" turned out to be lying selfish narcissists too. I just wish people would open their eyes and see what these politicians are really doing to them instead of listening to what the politicians say they will do for them.
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This is along the same arguments some people and the mass media like to make when they point out there is a disproportionate amount of African American males occupying jail cells vs. whites. Yes, I agree there is a disproportionate amount of African American males in jail given the current population makeup. But is that because most white people are racist and the judicial system is slanted; and the scales of justice are tipped to favor whites over African Americans? Or is it because the culture of those people in jail doesn't discourage criminal behavior - and they live their lives lawlessly and end up getting caught?

I've been told a lot of white people voted for Obama because they had "white guilt" and/or thought that by electing an African American to the highest position in the land would finally cure racism in this country. It's sad that Obama has done absolutely NOTHING to repair and heal racial relations since he took office over 7 years ago. A huge opportunity has been squandered, for sure. Instead, he has advanced his own party's agenda which has been and will continue to be detrimental to the African American community.

Ben Carson is probably one of the best examples of what is possible in one's life if they would only apply themselves and work hard. You would think the left would hold this man in high regard because of what he was able to do with his own life by applying himself. But instead, they vilify him because his life story goes against the policies of the left (policies that are engineered to keep the African American community right where they currently are in society). And he's not an exception by any means. I have a number of African American friends who own and run their own small businesses and who are successful. And they do mention to me how people in their own community look down on them for doing so.

Racial tensions, indeed. I'd be pissed too if every politician that claimed to be for helping "my people" turned out to be lying selfish narcissists too. I just wish people would open their eyes and see what these politicians are really doing to them instead of listening to what the politicians say they will do for them.


People don't want to hear truths, they want to hear confirmation of their beliefs.
It is a fact that the vast majority of people in prison broke laws to get there. (yes some don't deserve to be there) No matter what the racial make up or brake down, the individuals landed there because of their actions.
In Ca the majority of black inmates are gang members or associates of a gang. The truth is that there is more of a culture of crime amongst black inmates (not to be mistaken for the general population of black Californians) in Ca than there is a culture of whites that unjustly lock them up or point a racial finger at them.
Does racism exist, yes is does, it is a plague of our human nature. ALL color of human are guilty of racism.
There is a high % of black inmate populace because of many reasons from economic to education to life style. I believe that racism does play a part, but not nearly as much as is steriotyped in the media and public perception.
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People don't want to hear truths


Very true!
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People don't want to hear truths, they want to hear confirmation of their beliefs.
It is a fact that the vast majority of people in prison broke laws to get there. (yes some don't deserve to be there) No matter what the racial make up or brake down, the individuals landed there because of their actions.
In Ca the majority of black inmates are gang members or associates of a gang. The truth is that there is more of a culture of crime amongst black inmates (not to be mistaken for the general population of black Californians) in Ca than there is a culture of whites that unjustly lock them up or point a racial finger at them.
Does racism exist, yes is does, it is a plague of our human nature. ALL color of human are guilty of racism.
There is a high % of black inmate populace because of many reasons from economic to education to life style. I believe that racism does play a part, but not nearly as much as is steriotyped in the media and public perception.


Ahhh but how much is race a factor in things like economic and education opportunities etc? Do people contend that there are higher percentages of minorities in prison due to an inherent trait or to some other socio-economic factors?
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Ahhh but how much is race a factor in things like economic and education opportunities etc? Do people contend that there are higher percentages of minorities in prison due to an inherent trait or to some other socio-economic factors?


I am not sure what other people blame it on, but my belief is that they are there for the same exact reasons any other color of person is there= bad life choices.
In CA minorities get access to many educational programs and incentives. As far as economic opportunities I don't see color being a set back as many Government programs are in place to prevent discrimination and even encourage the hiring of minorities and females.

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Comfort? Entitled? You mean like clean air and water? Yeah... OK

BTW, you forgot Corporations... they have rights too!


Clean water like this?

Regardless, you are still in the wrong...

Ninth Amendment

The Ninth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution reads:

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

The Ninth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution is somewhat of an enigma. It provides that the naming of certain rights in the Constitution does not take away from the people rights that are not named. Yet neither the language nor the history of the Ninth Amendment offers any hints as to the nature of the rights it was designed to protect....

The Federalists contended that a Bill of Rights was unnecessary because in their view the federal government possessed only limited powers that were expressly delegated to it by the Constitution. They believed that all powers not constitutionally delegated to the federal government were inherently reserved to the people and the states. Nowhere in the Constitution, the Federalists pointed out, is the federal government given the power to trample on individual liberties. The Federalists feared that if the Constitution were to include a Bill of Rights that protected certain liberties from government encroachment, an inference would be drawn that the federal government could exercise an implied power to regulate such liberties.

http://legal-dictionary.the....com/Ninth+Amendment

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Uh OH...
The hypocrisy runs deep.

http://www.vox.com/2016/2/2...-biden-supreme-court

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Actually, I am right. YOU still don't know what the framers of the Constitution really meant, and what was the original intent of the Constitution. Just like like Scalia... you are interpreting what YOU believe is correct. If the Constitution was taken literally, it doesn't mention women or rights for women. "Person" is based on British terms, and is not gender neutral. Of course, you can say I am wrong, but then you are interpreting the Constitution. Shame on you.

 
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Clean water like this?

Regardless, you are still in the wrong...


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YOU still don't know what the framers of the Constitution really meant, and what was the original intent of the Constitution.



If the original intent of the framers of the Constitution was to make it "open to interpretation" as it sounds like you believe it is (correct me if I'm wrong); then what is the purpose of Article V? Why write in a provision by which the Constitution can be amended and changed if it is already open to interpretation? Seems completely unnecessary and pointless.

I think what's really going on here is people who don't agree with some of what the Constitution says want us all to believe those parts of the Constitution are open to interpretation and we can't possibly know what the framers of it meant by what was written in that document. But I find it strange that when the shoe is on the other foot and these same people want to use the Constitution for their own gains, they immediately say what is written in it is NOT open to interpretation or up for debate at all. Funny how that works, isn't it?


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If the Constitution was taken literally, it doesn't mention women or rights for women.



The 9th Amendment says it doesn't need to.
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Doesn't need to? So gays have same rights, including marriage. Glad you came around.
 
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The 9th Amendment says it doesn't need to.


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Actually, I am right. YOU still don't know what the framers of the Constitution really meant, and what was the original intent of the Constitution. Just like like Scalia... you are interpreting what YOU believe is correct. If the Constitution was taken literally, it doesn't mention women or rights for women. "Person" is based on British terms, and is not gender neutral. Of course, you can say I am wrong, but then you are interpreting the Constitution. Shame on you.



The framers intent was to preserve individual liberty. Not destroy it, for your benefit.
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The framers intent was to preserve individual liberty. Not destroy it, for your benefit.


Which framer did you talk to, specifically? Oh.. it is YOUR interpretation of what was said. OK.

Individual liberty? Abortion, smoking, drinking, driving (while drinking), drugs, voting, education, gay marriage ... somehow "conservatives" have tried to prevent these rights... Odd.. that means they are not supporting the Constitution, as intended by the framers. hmmm
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Which framer did you talk to, specifically? Oh.. it is YOUR interpretation of what was said. OK.

Individual liberty? Abortion, smoking, drinking, driving (while drinking), drugs, voting, education, gay marriage ... somehow "conservatives" have tried to prevent these rights... Odd.. that means they are not supporting the Constitution, as intended by the framers. hmmm


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Ahhh but how much is race a factor in things like economic and education opportunities etc? Do people contend that there are higher percentages of minorities in prison due to an inherent trait or to some other socio-economic factors?


Not inherent trait, culture.

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Which framer did you talk to, specifically? Oh.. it is YOUR interpretation of what was said. OK.


Is it really a conversation if you answer your own questions?
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