I've got no problem killing just about anything if it's for food but, trophy killing is all about bragging rights.
Might take a while to eat a giraffe but anything can be eaten, one bite at a time.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
You guys do realize that those animals were more than likely taken 100% legally. This means that she more than likely had to pay a hefty price tag for the various permits. That also means that she more than likely had to pay a hefty price to hire a PH (Professional Hunter). That also means she had to pay for food, lodging, entertainment (normal vacation expenses). All of the money that she spent usually stays right in the community. Her hunts provided locals with employment. I would imagine that most of (if not all) of the meat stayed in the communities, feeding some people that can't just go down to the grocery store. The more of these hunts that communities can sell will eventually bring in more ethical hunters and in turn drive out poachers.
There's nothing wrong with trophy hunting if it's done ethically. Hunters are instructed to take mature animals, not just for the trophy, but also for the well being of the herd. It's called conservation. Some may find this disturbing but a bullet to the heart is a much more humane way to die than to starve to death on the African plains.
You guys are focusing your hatred on the wrong people. I fully agree that killing an animal only for it's prize, whether it be husks or horns, is horrible but most hunters from the western world that travel to Africa just aren't that type of person. This woman killing these animals probably did more good as a whole than if she just stayed home.
If you have Outdoor Channel I recommend watching a few episodes of Jim Shockey's Uncharted. He does a lot better job than me explaining the POSITIVE impact hunters have on conservation.
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You guys do realize that those animals were more than likely taken 100% legally.
This hunt, I don't know. The lion hunt, maybe, but again I don't know. I've just heard from what my wife read and told me, that the lion was lured off a sanctuary and once they were able to get it off the sanctuary the hunter took the shot. While it may have been legal to kill an animal off the sanctuary, was it legal to lure one off to kill it or even ethical if no law exists currently for such a situation assuming that's what actually happened?
Either way, honestly this is a side show. It's a giraffe, what's your government doing? Your city police? and so on...
I hear ya, hard to say what went down without being there. I've witnessed that crap happen around here during deer gun season, seems people just lose their heads all over a deer.
The reason why so many foreign countries allow hunting of their "big game" (and charge hefty permit rates for it too) is for conservation. The revenue generated from legal hunting does more to help the species survive than completely banning all hunting. One example is the fact that much of the revenue generated by legal hunting is used to employ game wardens who can patrol the wildlife areas and arrest poachers. Without the legal hunting revenue, most (if not all) of these countries could not afford to employ game wardens. No game wardens = lots of illegal poaching.
And like fastblack said earlier, the legal hunting industry does more than just pay for the game wardens. It also brings outside revenue into a community which, in turn, provides jobs to people in that community so they aren't forced to illegally poach to feed their families.
Don't get me wrong. Anyone who takes a wild animal illegally is a poacher and a criminal. And they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law (but not in the court of public opinion).
Here in Indiana, deer were almost hunted to a virtual extinction in the last century because of poor regulations and an almost non-existent hunting licensing structure. Without that revenue, the state could not afford to employ conservation officers. But today, the deer are thriving and now need to be controlled because man has removed all the predators. There is so much food available with all the farming that the deer herd would grow out of control, become unhealthy, and die prematurely (due to overpopulation or in many more deer-vehicle collisions than occur now) without intervention by state governed hunting seasons. The revenue stream generated by the hunting license and permit system is used to employ officers who can arrest criminal poachers, improve habitat, conduct wildlife studies, etc..
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Some of these people are ****ing whacks man. Straight twisted in the brain freak blood lusty sociopaths. They smile an evil grin setting animals on fire as a kid.
She Kills a freaking Giraffe and that is where she gets this immense emotional connection damn near bring her tears with it it's utter beauty. Screw that! They are twisted ****s and that is about it.
Some one give the lady a tissue. I think she is about to weep.
People like that need two in the temple and let the animals have em for knawing on. Not that is a connection.
"Giraffes are very dangerous animals. They could hurt you seriously very quickly."
Seems to me that a person with a gun, especially a crazed menopausal woman, can be very dangerous as well. What a b!tch.
I find it rather interesting that among ALL the news stories that people post links to here... nothing (except for the reference in this woman's story) about Cecil the lion being terminated by a trophy hunter.
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You guys do realize that those animals were more than likely taken 100% legally. This means that she more than likely had to pay a hefty price tag for the various permits. That also means that she more than likely had to pay a hefty price to hire a PH (Professional Hunter). That also means she had to pay for food, lodging, entertainment (normal vacation expenses). All of the money that she spent usually stays right in the community. Her hunts provided locals with employment. I would imagine that most of (if not all) of the meat stayed in the communities, feeding some people that can't just go down to the grocery store. The more of these hunts that communities can sell will eventually bring in more ethical hunters and in turn drive out poachers.
There's nothing wrong with trophy hunting if it's done ethically. Hunters are instructed to take mature animals, not just for the trophy, but also for the well being of the herd. It's called conservation. Some may find this disturbing but a bullet to the heart is a much more humane way to die than to starve to death on the African plains.
You guys are focusing your hatred on the wrong people. I fully agree that killing an animal only for it's prize, whether it be husks or horns, is horrible but most hunters from the western world that travel to Africa just aren't that type of person. This woman killing these animals probably did more good as a whole than if she just stayed home.
If you have Outdoor Channel I recommend watching a few episodes of Jim Shockey's Uncharted. He does a lot better job than me explaining the POSITIVE impact hunters have on conservation.
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This.
Illegal hunts should be discouraged and prosecuted but the legal, ethical hunts should be encouraged for the reasons stated above. And if you want to hunt wild boar, head down to Florida. Kill all you want. They're not native to the area and without enough natural predators, they breed out of control and wreck the ecosystem for the native animals.
I can't believe THEY ASKED HER to put down this particular giraffe AND SHE DID IT!!
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HuntingLife.com We just connected with Rebecca Francis and got a statement on her Giraffe hunt that anti-hunters are attacking her for. Rebecca said, "When I was in Africa five years ago I was of the mindset that I would never shoot a giraffe. I was approached toward the end of my hunt with a unique circumstance. They showed me this beautiful old bull giraffe that was wandering all alone. He had been kicked out of the herd by a younger and stronger bull. He was past his breeding years and very close to death. They asked me if I would preserve this giraffe by providing all the locals with food and other means of survival. He was inevitably going to die soon and he could either be wasted or utilized by the local people. I chose to honor his life by providing others with his uses and I do not regret it for one second. Once he was down there were people waiting to take his meat. They also took his tail to make jewelry, his bones to make other things, and did not waste a single part of him. I am grateful to be a part of something so good" REBECCA FRANCIS IS A HUNTER/CONSERVATIONIST and we stand behind her 100%!!
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You guys do realize that those animals were more than likely taken 100% legally. This means that she more than likely had to pay a hefty price tag for the various permits. That also means that she more than likely had to pay a hefty price to hire a PH (Professional Hunter). That also means she had to pay for food, lodging, entertainment (normal vacation expenses). All of the money that she spent usually stays right in the community. Her hunts provided locals with employment. I would imagine that most of (if not all) of the meat stayed in the communities, feeding some people that can't just go down to the grocery store. The more of these hunts that communities can sell will eventually bring in more ethical hunters and in turn drive out poachers.
There's nothing wrong with trophy hunting if it's done ethically. Hunters are instructed to take mature animals, not just for the trophy, but also for the well being of the herd. It's called conservation. Some may find this disturbing but a bullet to the heart is a much more humane way to die than to starve to death on the African plains.
You guys are focusing your hatred on the wrong people. I fully agree that killing an animal only for it's prize, whether it be husks or horns, is horrible but most hunters from the western world that travel to Africa just aren't that type of person. This woman killing these animals probably did more good as a whole than if she just stayed home.
If you have Outdoor Channel I recommend watching a few episodes of Jim Shockey's Uncharted. He does a lot better job than me explaining the POSITIVE impact hunters have on conservation.
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That wasn't a rant,man... that was a well crafted explanation which is what we need more of in all areas of life.
But instead, we get catchy headlines with short, emotion-stirring blurbs and then people rant about it with flecks of foam shootin' out of their mouths.
I think it's wrong to kill animals that are on a PRESERVE, but if the local folks are going to hunt a wild non-endangered foo=foo, and instead of them hunting it and eating it, a person comes and spends a lot of cash all over and then shoots the foo-foo, and takes a thumbs-up pic" and then the local folks eat it... it's kinda a win-win. But some of the words on some of these things...makes it sound like they are doing the animal a favor...as opposed to letting mother nature do its thing...
Every time I eat some chicken, beef , or other meatstuff, some animal went through a fairly sh*tty life and pretty awful death somewhere else, then folks processed it and then I ended up with it, and I can usually live with it because I didn't hafta deal with (or think about) the first 90% of the story of how my food got to "become the food."... its even easier when it's already pre-packaged and whatnot...
Not that these hunting stories aren't "important", it's just some other stupid story to get hyper-focused on while the REAL stuff's goin' on...if that stuff is even actually important either...
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Originally posted by Patrick: a crazed menopausal woman, ...
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Originally posted by Patrick: the need to kill just for the "sport" of it.
A crazed menopausal woman who "needs" to kill just for the "sport" of it. That's quite a diagnosis, doctor. You know her motivations, ethical and psychological bearing, not to mention her hormonal balance, all from a few pictures. And being able to tell that her hunts were illegal trophy hunts and that the meat was not used, just amazing.
I can't wait to read your diagnosis of these psychopaths.
If the meat is going to local people then let them kill them as part of the culling. Game wardens, who ever is local. But I do not get the thrill of killing an animal that I am not going to eat. I don't get why that animal needs to be dead.
If someone wants to kill these animals then go there, kill them and leave all of them there. Let's see how many still do it.
I am a hunter although I don't much anymore but I totally disagree with trophy hunting for the sole sake of a head on my wall or a pelt. I'll just have to be satisfied with deer, pheasant, dove, pigeon and duck heads.
If the meat is going to local people then let them kill them as part of the culling. Game wardens, who ever is local. But I do not get the thrill of killing an animal that I am not going to eat. I don't get why that animal needs to be dead.
If someone wants to kill these animals then go there, kill them and leave all of them there. Let's see how many still do it.
I am a hunter although I don't much anymore but I totally disagree with trophy hunting for the sole sake of a head on my wall or a pelt. I'll just have to be satisfied with deer, pheasant, dove, pigeon and duck heads.
Apparently few people bothered to read my post above.
How is my post a reflection that no one read your post? I did.
People are still ranting that someone killed a giraffe. This is old news. This happened about 5 years ago. It was a legal kill but one that wasn't planned. She was coming to the end of her hunting period and had no intention of killing a giraffe. The locals asked if she would kill this old giraffe that had been shunned from its herd. She did as they requested to keep the animal from suffering and to feed the village. She paid for her trip, paid for legal permits, shot an old animal that was on its last legs (hardly a "thrill" shot if that is what she was there for), then let the locals cut it up for food, etc. I don't see where she got a head or skin or anything for her trouble and cost. She clearly cares about animals and did the humane thing where this one is concerned. As others have mentioned, her legal hunting funds the wildlife conservation in those countries. How many people across the globe that have griped about this woman and her sport have sent even a single dime to ANYWHERE to feed, medicate, or care for any of these animals in any way?
The locals asked if she would kill this old giraffe that had been shunned from its herd. She did as they requested to keep the animal from suffering and to feed the village.
The locals need a visiting foreigner to kill an old giraffe?
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Originally posted by Boostdreamer:How many people across the globe that have griped about this woman and her sport have sent even a single dime to ANYWHERE to feed, medicate, or care for any of these animals in any way?
It's wild animals. Why do they need to be fed, medicated or cared for? They just need to be left alone...
Sorry, but arm chair quarter backs are having a heyday over this lion and giraffe shat. People cannot get enough of the next shiny thing.
No one gave a damn before. Good job caring now though. So warm and fuzzy. The "Plastic Media" has everyone sad over a lion that most never even heard of before this media circus. I agree that it is not pretty, but legal is legal. If any animal is poached, criminals should suffer fines much stiffer than now. I would easily vote for a lifetime hinting ban for poachers.
Animals are often killed for sport. Regulation hunting is 100% agreeable with me. I will let those that pass out hunting licenses be the judge of animal management in their particular area.
For sure! I swear the woman is another freakin' Mother Teresa.
Sorry man, I don't buy it. To me she (and that dentist) epitomize the worst of human nature... the need to kill just for the "sport" of it.
I get invitations to safari and "domestic" hunts all the time and since I know that it makes our Lefties here FEEL so good, I'm hereby booking ANOTHER ONE in "honor" of them!
Latest email invitation:
Butch is one of my favorites. Always a great hunt. The rates and fees are reasonable too.
Dangerous game – Lion, Leopard, Buffalo, Rhino, Elephant, Hippo $850 per hunter per day where 1 hunter is guided by 1 professional hunter $750 per hunter per day where 2 hunters are guided by 1 professional hunter Plains game $450 per hunter per day where 1 hunter is guided by 1 professional hunter $350 per hunter per day where 2 hunters are guided by 1 professional hunter $300 per hunter per day where 4 hunters are guided by 2 professional hunters Observers $250 per observer per day
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I get invitations to safari and "domestic" hunts all the time and since I know that it makes our Lefties here FEEL so good, I'm hereby booking ANOTHER ONE in "honor" of them!
Knock yourself out. Perhaps invite Dick Cheney along.
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Knock yourself out. Perhaps invite Dick Cheney along.
Sorry, I don't personally know the man and considering his reported state of health I would have no reason to believe he is in any condition to go on such a hunt. ...and you can save the predicted and obvious smart azz remarks regarding his past hunting accident. I just don't care.
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Why just a fine? Won't hurt a wealthy dentist much.
And why just a ban? He was already on a year's probation for lying to government officials about a bear he shot and killed in Wisconsin.
Why not jail time?
Those high, rugged, snow covered mountain peaks of Wisconsin in the background are always so thrilling to see! ...and isn't that brown KODIAK BEAR a long way from "home"? What's *your* theory Sparky? You figure they "lured it in" from Alaska to just outside the "Mountains of Minneapolis" for him? Can't you Lefties find any better Propaganda?
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Those high, rugged, snow covered mountain peaks of Wisconsin in the background are always so thrilling to see! ...and isn't that brown KODIAK BEAR a long way from "home"?
Are you suggesting he's only killed one bear? Did I say that was the bear shot in Wisconsin? Trust you to try and make that connection. Fail.
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...and you can save the predicted and obvious smart azz remarks regarding his past hunting accident. I just don't care.
Just as I don't care if you shoot yourself in the foot... again.
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We dont discuss those types of plans in front of possible Quebecois...
