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Lost another friend to drugs by DanDamage
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Originally posted by Old Lar:

Where are all the legalize drug enthusiasts?


Right here!

If drugs were legalized you'd see a growing popularity of safer drugs. Pure and clean cocaine, LSD, molly, marijuana, shrooms, etc. Not whatever crazy **** this is. As it is, people are uneducated on drugs unless they've been exposed to them for awhile because of the illegality. Sounds like this guy was usually a straight shooter, and so he likely didn't know about different drugs. Ask someone like me who has been around the block a few times and I would have declined to take that drug, even though I've accepted many others.
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Right here!

If drugs were legalized you'd see a growing popularity of safer drugs. Pure and clean cocaine, LSD, molly, marijuana, shrooms, etc. Not whatever crazy **** this is. As it is, people are uneducated on drugs unless they've been exposed to them for awhile because of the illegality. Sounds like this guy was usually a straight shooter, and so he likely didn't know about different drugs. Ask someone like me who has been around the block a few times and I would have declined to take that drug, even though I've accepted many others.


BDub,
Believe what you want, I could not care less. What I do believe is many of my generation and their offspring have died or been much less than their natural God given talent would have allowed them to become because of the stupid decisions they made concerning drug use. Doing what you are suggesting is fine by me, just don't expect me to support tax payers taking care of all of those or burying those who choose that path. People are responsible for their own decisions.

Note to self: Should BDub's plan come to fruition, invest heavily in cemetery stock and funeral homes. Sure to be a money maker.

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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

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Ron kids don't listen, we never did what makes you think any of this generation will ?
I had a really nice long post written and hit the wrong button and it disappeared, what you are saying about drugs is not completely true. There are many people who have became very successful, millionaires, leaders of country's and not died trying drugs, just not these new designer drugs.
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Originally posted by blackrams:
..just don't expect me to support tax payers taking care of all of those or burying those who choose that path. People are responsible for their own decisions.


Part of the problem is here in reality people arent solely responsible for their own decisions. Even if they want to be, the country really isnt currently set up like that. Most of the time my thoughts are, if you want to do it go live on an island alone first.
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BDub,
Believe what you want, I could not care less. What I do believe is many of my generation and their offspring have died or been much less than their natural God given talent would have allowed them to become because of the stupid decisions they made concerning drug use. Doing what you are suggesting is fine by me, just don't expect me to support tax payers taking care of all of those or burying those who choose that path. People are responsible for their own decisions.

Note to self: Should BDub's plan come to fruition, invest heavily in cemetery stock and funeral homes. Sure to be a money maker.


Stupid people will do stupid things! But when there is a huge established underworld because drugs aren't legal, this kind of stuff spreads quickly and people get hurt. Take out the underworld by decriminalizing drugs, and you have a system that isn't as open to new drugs.

I do drugs sometimes. They're fun. Most people I know do drugs to some capacity and they all contribute to society. The lie that has been sold for decades is that drugs always have negative consequences.
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Dear Lord who the @!#$@ cares about all your reasons.

We either live in a country of freedom and consequences or we Don't.


Err on the side of freedom of choice and except the cost because it is the cheapest payment there is.

Spend all our resources on education and keeping people honestly informed.
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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

Dear Lord who the @!#$@ cares about all your reasons.


I do!

Pokey, I assume your comment was directed at Brennan (theBDub). I may or may not always agree with him and/or anyone else here, but I appreciate seeing reasons posted that might help explain why people think the way they do.

After all, this is a forum for discussion, right?

Or has this forum devolved into a place where we just silently "neg" someone for expressing a different viewpoint... and then leave it at that? I hope not.
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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

...it was great for me back in the 70s but back then everyone did it at least once, if it was a good trip you tried it again.



Sorry, this is a cop out statement. As I said, I've never smoked or injected any substance, and I know many people who haven't. As I said earlier peer pressure is a likely factor to "everybody did it".

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Originally posted by FrugalFiero:


As I said earlier peer pressure is a likely factor to "everybody did it".

A cop out for immature and/or weak willed people.

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One thing to remember back in 1970 is the life expectancy of a male high school drop out like me was 19. That was what got me going down that path. I survived very few people in my class or friends did. We had at least one a day OD in school. I woke up in the hospital once 3 days later than I thought. Ya some people think it's fun, but I saw too much of the other side to ever want to go back.
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Originally posted by Patrick:

I do!

Pokey, I assume your comment was directed at Brennan (theBDub). I may or may not always agree with him and/or anyone else here, but I appreciate seeing reasons posted that might help explain why people think the way they do.

After all, this is a forum for discussion, right?

Or has this forum devolved into a place where we just silently "neg" someone for expressing a different viewpoint... and then leave it at that? I hope not.


Well sorry you have to deal with me today. I'm coming down off long term Preds and i'm going cold turkey so not in a very patient .


I stay off from commenting for a few days.
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Originally posted by pokeyfiero:

I'm coming down off long term Preds and i'm going cold turkey so not in a very patient .


Are you referring to Prednisone? A few weeks ago a friend of mine was on it for some health issue, and geez, it really affected his behavior.

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For the respect of my friend can you please continue the new topic in a new post. Thank you
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Originally posted by maryjane:

A cop out for immature and/or weak willed people.



I guess these people must have week and immature wills as well.

1. Sigmund Freud — Cocaine
2. Francis Crick — LSD
3. Thomas Edison — Cocaine Elixirs
4. Paul Erdös — Amphetamines
5. Steve Jobs — LSD
6. Bill Gates ---- LSD
7. John C Lilly---- LSD Ketamine
8. Richard Feynman --- LSD, POT, Ketamine
9. Kary Mullis---- LSD
10. Carl Sagan--- Pot

http://www.salon.com/2013/0..._off_for_it_partner/

Then some of my favorites,
Willy Nelson, pot not sure what else he has tried
Barack Obama,--- President Barack Obama has admitted to smoking marijuana and using cocaine during his high school and college days. "When I was a kid, I inhaled often," he once told magazine editors, according to The New York Times. "That was the point."
Steve Jobs,--- Apple co-founder Steve Jobs' use of LSD in his younger days is well-documented. He once called the experience "one of the most important things in my life." His use of the drug was even noted in an FBI background check, according to Wired.
Bill Clinton,--- President Bill Clinton famously admitted to trying marijuana while completing his Rhodes scholarship at Oxford. "When I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two, and I didn’t like it,
Richard Branson,--- Virgin Group chairman and founder Richard Branson is an outspoken advocate of marijuana legilization, once writing an op-ed for CNN that called for an end to the war on drugs. He reportedly asked President Obama during a White House visit if he could "have a spliff" in 2012. "They didn't have any," he added.
Michael Bloomberg,--- New York City Mayor and Bloomberg L.P. founder Michael Bloomberg found himself in hot water when he admitted to smoking marijuana back in 2002, The New York Times reports. When asked by a reporter if he had ever tried pot, he responded: "You bet I did. And I enjoyed it."
Hugh Hefner,--- Playboy founder Hugh Hefner credits his use of marijuana later in life with changing his perspective on sex. "I didn't know what making love was all about for all those years,"
George Soros,--- Billionaire investor George Soros is a known supporter of marijuana legalization and even wrote a 2010 Wall Street Journal op-ed rather straight-forwardly entitled "Why I Support Legal Marijuana." His use of the drug may be far less proflific, however. He told Reuters in 1997 that while he had "enjoyed" trying marijuana, "it did not become a habit and I have not tasted it in many years."
Jimmy Cayne,--- former CEO of Bear Stearns, kept an antacid bottle full of cocaine in his desk, according to the book The Sellout.
Sarah Palin,--- The former vice presidential candidate and reality TV star told Anchorage Daily News back in 2006 that she couldn't "claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled,
Bill Gates,--- chairman and co-founder of Microsoft, hinted at once using LSD and marijuana in a 1994 interview with Playboy. Likewise, biographer Stephen Manes wrote that "Gates was certainly not unusual there [around drugs]. Marijuana was the pharmaceutical of choice…”
Larry Kudlow,--- Former Ronald Reagan economic adviser and current CNBC host Larry Kudlow is reported to have both smoked marijuana and used cocaine frequently at periods in his life. After being fired from Bear Sterns in the mid-1990s, Kudlow entered a rehabilitation program to deal with his cocaine addiction, according to New York Magazine. Maybe that's why Reaganomics didn't work ?
Naomi Campbell,--- Super model Naomi Campbell admitted in 2005 to abusing cocaine during her career. "I have admitted using illegal drugs and some years ago I recognized that I had a problem" she was
Peter Lewis,---- Peter Lewis, former CEO of Progressive Insurance, has both smoked marijuana and lobbied heavily for its legalization. After smoking weed recreationally in his youth, he started using it medicinally after his leg was amputated. “I was very glad I had marijuana," he told Boston Magazine. "It didn’t exactly eliminate the pain, but it made the pain tolerable — and it let me avoid those heavy-duty narcotic pain relievers that leave you incapacitated.”
Arnold Schwarzenegger,--- Former California Governor and all around legend Arnold Schwarzenegger can be seen smoking marijuana in the 1977 documentary "Pumping Iron." He later said that he "did smoke a joint and I did inhale," CBS News reports.
Bernie Madoff,--- In a 2009 lawsuit, it was alleged that Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff frequently sent messengers to buy cocaine for "himself and the company." Actually, before Madoff's $60 billion Ponzi scheme fell apart, his office was known as "the North Pole" because of the allegedly excessive cocaine use during work hours, according to CNN.
Aldous Huxley,--- Essayist and author Aldous Huxley is said to have experimented with hallucinogenics, even writing an account of his use of mescaline in "The Doors Of Perception."
Al Gore,--- Former Vice President and climate change activist Al Gore is rumored to have smoked marijuana often in college. However, Gore characterized his marijuana use as "infrequent and rare," according to The Guardian
Maya Angelou,--- Best-selling author Maya Angelou reportedly "settled into a job as a waitress and began smoking marijuana with abandon" early in her life, according to a biography by Harold Bloom and Cindy Dyson.
Ted Turner,--- CNN founder and Atlanta Braves owner Ted Turner is rumored to have grown pot in his college dorm room, according to COED Magazine (he's reportedly also a major donor to the Kentucky Hemp Museum). After banning cigarette smoking at CNN in the early '90s, a memo emerged that claimed it "was common knowledge that Turner sits in his office and smokes marijuana."
Clarence Thomas,--- Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas smoked marijuana "several times" in college, White House spokesman Judy Smith said back in 1991.
Kary Mullis,--- Nobel Prize-winning chemist Kary Mullis credited much of his success to his use of LSD, according to Wired

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...drugs_n_2783793.html

But people who do drugs never amount to anything right Don? Some very respectable people who do or did drugs are very rich people, influential, presidents of industry and countries as well.

But don't let the truth get in the way of bashing all drugs.

Hey and lets not forget these stupid people,

14 Famous Scientists and Inventors who Experimented with Drugs
Andrew Weil – Morphine
Bill Gates — LSD
Carl Sagan — Marijuana
Francis Crick — LSD
John C. Lilly — LSD, Ketamine
Kary Mullis — LSD
Paul Erdös — Amphetamines
Ralph Abraham – LSD/ Other
Richard Feynman — LSD, Marijuana, Ketamine
Sigmund Freud — Cocaine
Stephen Jay Gould – Marijuana
Steve Jobs — LSD
Thomas Alva Edison — Cocaine Elixers
Timothy Leary – LSD/ Other
http://www.famousscientists...rimented-with-drugs/

I know a lot of those overlap on other list but some don't

Steve

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Progress

He seems to be coming back to normal. He can't remember the last week or so, his hearing still has him strange sounds, auditory hallucinations . His memory and communication ability seems to have normalized.

He now is just concerned in getting back into normal mental health m for the most part though it seems that he had snapped out of it finally.
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That's awesome news!
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Originally posted by DanDamage:

Progress

He seems to be coming back to normal. He can't remember the last week or so, his hearing still has him strange sounds, auditory hallucinations . His memory and communication ability seems to have normalized.

He now is just concerned in getting back into normal mental health m for the most part though it seems that he had snapped out of it finally.

Cool, thanks for the update and I pray for a speedy eecovery.

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Thank you all. I know his family would appreciate the prayers as well
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Excellent news. I sincerely hopes he learns from his experience. I still think he was stupid to go there but, we all make some bad decisions in our lives. Thankfully, it appears he may survive his bad decision.


 
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One thing to remember back in 1970 is the life expectancy of a male high school drop out like me was 19. That was what got me going down that path. I survived very few people in my class or friends did. We had at least one a day OD in school. I woke up in the hospital once 3 days later than I thought. Ya some people think it's fun, but I saw too much of the other side to ever want to go back.


Wow, you had what I would call a pretty bad environment to grow up. Not your fault but, that is not the environment I was in. Glad you made it through that.

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Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?

My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug

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Excellent news. I sincerely hopes he learns from his experience. I still think he was stupid to go there but, we all make some bad decisions in our lives. Thankfully, it appears he may survive his bad decision.



I hope he has sense enough to be scared shitless of drugs and realize how lucky he is. I'd cringe at the mere suggestion of doing such things again after experiencing that.
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