i live in south florida , there is a new street drug called 'flaka' , google calls it "the insanity drug" , well, a boxer from my gym , not known to smoke cigarettes or even go out drinking beers. He tried this crap ONE time and now is a mental hospital. 25 year old kid with a very level head, extremely intelligent and healthy, did one little 10$ bag and now has permanent brain damage and can never fight again because a concussion will knock him into another world farther than where he is now.
my prayers are with you Vargas
its sad its like his mind is on auto pilot, you talk to him and he responds, but he forgets you were even there 20-30 minutes later, and forgets all conversations
Sorry about your friend. Ya gotta wonder though why some guy who takes care of his body (judging from the picture) would want to risk his mind with some street drug cooked up in a basement lab.
Sorry about your friend. Ya gotta wonder though why some guy who takes care of his body (judging from the picture) would want to risk his mind with some street drug cooked up in a basement lab.
Drugs are bad, even the ones the Dr. gives a prescription for will harm you (see all the 1-800 bad drug) comercials? Add abuse to the mix and it's over.
Drugs are bad, even the ones the Dr. gives a prescription for will harm you (see all the 1-800 bad drug) comercials? Add abuse to the mix and it's over.
Your not kidding, between 2009-2014 we lost so many fighters to big farma
Drugs are bad, even the ones the Dr. gives a prescription for will harm you (see all the 1-800 bad drug) comercials? Add abuse to the mix and it's over.
Kind of a blanket statement to say that all drugs are bad. There are different levels of risk depending on the drug, and obviously different levels of use/abuse.
Kind of a blanket statement to say that all drugs are bad. There are different levels of risk depending on the drug, and obviously different levels of use/abuse.
Do you own a gun? Are all guns bad?
I understand your point, but disagree with your metaphor. I don't eat guns and filter them through my liver Yes drugs are bad on different levels, some really bad and some hardy bad at all. But I don't think this thread is about good drugs legal or not.
And I've never shot anyone with my anti-histamines.
I am not sure if you are ant-gun or not, that is your choice but you just described an attempted murder not a bad drug. Again your metaphor fails because the misuse of any tool is a choice, the harm from drugs is inherent. With drugs people weigh the pros vr the cons and decide that the risk is worth the payoff.
Alright I sent some PMs, all saying now and in this thread is not the time to argue about drugs, good, bad, or any other kind. I try to be as respectful of the dead no matter what, except about Mikey Jackson. Try to keep it about who has died and be respectful.
Kind of a blanket statement to say that all drugs are bad. There are different levels of risk depending on the drug, and obviously different levels of use/abuse.
Do you own a gun? Are all guns bad?
No guns are bad.
Unless some random person forces you to take drugs this is a very ignorant comparison.
Alright I sent some PMs, all saying now and in this thread is not the time to argue about drugs, good, bad, or any other kind. I try to be as respectful of the dead no matter what, except about Mikey Jackson. Try to keep it about who has died and be respectful.
Steve
he is not dead, from what I get from the post, is he is in lala land..
Most of my high school class is gone, from drugs. My son in law, and my mother too. I also went through the same phase, but for some unknown reason I survived, although I have paid the price with some permanent health issues. Not all drugs are bad, but those are not the ones you but on the street.
Wanting people to not do drugs and putting them in prison forever (or death) for doing it are two different things.
There are a lot of people that should never do it for self-preservation reasons. And if you do, don't be the first to try it. And if you aren't the first to do it, at least do some research about how the general population reacts to it in various ways. And then don't pick the one's that might potentially turn you into a turnip. You might want to, you might really enjoy it but we don't get to do everything we want. Show some restraint. Sadly this happens more to men especially in their 20's when they feel invincible. The machismo factor at work.
There are some very logic steps to follow before you do something harmful to yourself or others immediately or in the long term. Of course, as humans, we don't do that enough.
I hope your friend recovers fully. I think it's too early to say it's all over for him.
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Each and every one of us is one bad decision away from oblivion. Looks like your friend found that out the hard way. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully he will eventually recover, and get to lead a normal life.
I feel sorry for those that cared for or about your friend. The way I see it, if you want to play the game, there is always a price to be paid eventually. I'm sorry your friend didn't think highly enough of his life and future to make a good decision. We've all made bad decisions but, some things are pretty obvious, at least to me. I do hope he recovers and learns from the experience.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
Right here bro. As I explained to my son when he was old enough not to be constantly supervised, "In the long term, this is your life, the world is a dangerous place if you make a stupid mistake. I taught you better, do as I said and you will have good chance of a good life." I ran him threw the point that I have never seen anybody do better from having done drugs and seen lots of people lose their way forever.
Really, the sex talk was similar except that I made it clear that the germs that you can get can kill you.
Funny how this so called drug seems a lot more like a poisoning. If I poured you a bucket of mercury would it have been much different?
I've never have been able to understand the allure of mind-altering substances.
Regardless of that it is a fact of life. I also have a hard time understanding why people want to take drugs or really even get drunk.
I know it to be true that people almost all seem to need various levels of escape from whatever and with many it gets out of hand.
It doesn't help that we are breeding an ever weaker minded more dependant youth. Many of therm have little to look forward to. There are fewer and fewer jobs or careers for the mediocre without high skill sets. Regulation is eliminating many start up avenues people have created for themselves in the past.
Labor positions really don't cut it financially. So if you don't have an in or have no needed skill you are kinda screwed. I can see a lot of people just not giving a hoot what they do or what happens.
Instead of seeking solutions to these social issues we just make everything illegal so it is easier to vilify people and get rid of the unwanted guilt free.
In response to Dan as this is his post, sorry for you and his families lost. I can not be sorry for the people that made the bad choice but, all the people they knew did not make a choice and they still had a loss. My friend had a heart attack triggered by doing coke. He had heart surgery and on a second sugary had a stroke, now has memory, hearing, balance, and general coordination issues. I am pissed at him, almost 50 years old, he should know better. Heck, it is rare that I even have a weekly drink, forget hard drugs. I can not care for him, I am still working, my son has his own issues. His Mom is taking care of him and she was already busy taking care of her husband with Alzheimer's. I do not blame the drug, I blame my friend. He had a shat diet, and lousy lack of exercise, and then he did drugs. Now I do now have my genius (well, not about drugs and health) friend to hang out with. If we were both 70, it would be much different but, this is want he decided to do. Sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss, but remember him and he will always be beside you. Patrick you have a PM
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Alright I sent some PMs, all saying now and in this thread is not the time to argue about drugs, good, bad, or any other kind. I try to be as respectful of the dead no matter what, except about Mikey Jackson. Try to keep it about who has died and be respectful.
First of all, Steve... no one died.
And second of all... I can't think of a better time to discuss the ramifications and potential consequences of drug abuse.
I am in no way being disrespectful to Dan or to his friend.
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Regardless of that it is a fact of life. I also have a hard time understanding why people want to take drugs or really even get drunk.
I know it to be true that people almost all seem to need various levels of escape from whatever and with many it gets out of hand.
It doesn't help that we are breeding an ever weaker minded more dependant youth. Many of therm have little to look forward to. There are fewer and fewer jobs or careers for the mediocre without high skill sets. Regulation is eliminating many start up avenues people have created for themselves in the past.
Labor positions really don't cut it financially. So if you don't have an in or have no needed skill you are kinda screwed. I can see a lot of people just not giving a hoot what they do or what happens.
Instead of seeking solutions to these social issues we just make everything illegal so it is easier to vilify people and get rid of the unwanted guilt free.
Your comments are valid, but substance abuse is an issue at all levels of income, status, or lot in life.
I can't understand it because I've never tried any substance or even smoked pot.
I've been drunk a few times in my life but because of those effects, it has caused me to rarely consume alcohol.
I guess the " million dollar question" is - What makes some people able to resist the urge, while others easily cave in?
And second of all... I can't think of a better time to discuss the ramifications and potential consequences of drug abuse.
I am in no way being disrespectful to Dan or to his friend.
I missed that part, or better description would be I forgot after I read it, I know what the guy is going threw. My Short Term memory is shot from my stroke in December 04 so I know what he is going threw right now. Sounds like he may have had a stroke caused by the designer drug he tried. Some of those are just the Chinese trying to get rid of us one drug addict at a time.
Not all drugs are bad, some have medical use, even if our so called government officials say they don't. Cocaine was prescribed for packing your nose after surgery, opium's are used for pain relief, pot is used for all sorts of things, medically. So not all drugs that can be abused are bad, just the people who use them are stupid, if they continue to abuse them.
I've never have been able to understand the allure of mind-altering substances.
For me it was mind expanding. Reality is what we perceive through our senses and altering our perception gives us another way to look at things. I did it as experimentation not a lifestyle and that was quite a long time ago. It was beneficial for me.
For me it was mind expanding. Reality is what we perceive through our senses and altering our perception gives us another way to look at things. I did it as experimentation not a lifestyle and that was quite a long time ago. It was beneficial for me.
Ditto.
Forty years ago I ingested LSD a half dozen times and peyote once. I wasn't running away from anything. I was seeking a different perspective. I did plenty of research (at the library!) beforehand. For me it was nothing but a positive experience. No regrets at all. If I could acquire some lab quality LSD from a reputable source, I'd do it again.
However, there are a gazillion drugs I wouldn't even consider taking... flakka being one of them.
Forty years ago I ingested LSD a half dozen times and peyote once. I wasn't running away from anything. I was seeking a different perspective. I did plenty of research (at the library!) beforehand. For me it was nothing but a positive experience. No regrets at all. If I could acquire some lab quality LSD from a reputable source, I'd do it again.
However, there are a gazillion drugs I wouldn't even consider taking... flakka being one of them.
IIve never done any street drugs but LSD is something I will try before I die. Ive done my homework on it, I know to respect it and know what I want from it. As you, not seeking a change, just a vessel to explore a more spirticual world. Obtaining it is fairly simple on the deep web and they send it out on blotter paper. Do a ton of reasearch on vendors and test everything. I have yet to do it as I am not in the correct mental state to injest it and get what I want from it nor am in the location I want to be in for my first trip. LSD is facinating in so many aspects and if youre ready for it meantaly it makes you a more connected person.
IIve never done any street drugs but LSD is something I will try before I die. Ive done my homework on it, I know to respect it and know what I want from it.
Sure you do. Let us know how that works out.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
IIve never done any street drugs but LSD is something I will try before I die. Ive done my homework on it, I know to respect it and know what I want from it. As you, not seeking a change, just a vessel to explore a more spirticual world. Obtaining it is fairly simple on the deep web and they send it out on blotter paper. Do a ton of reasearch on vendors and test everything. I have yet to do it as I am not in the correct mental state to injest it and get what I want from it nor am in the location I want to be in for my first trip. LSD is facinating in so many aspects and if youre ready for it meantaly it makes you a more connected person.
Nothing against you kid but with your luck I would stay as far away from anything even remotely dangerous. WTF it was great for me back in the 70s but back then everyone did it at least once, if it was a good trip you tried it again. You I would not ever recommend trying it, without at least a straight tour guide who has been there done that to keep you out of trouble. mind expanding yes, but it is also dangerous, I was walking around Worcester, big city in MA with a friend Who was also tripping, (Never do that, you need someone you can trust with you who is not on anything to keep you safe). We stood on a street corner trying to cross the street for about 15 min because of the traces of the cars going by. Luckily someone we knew drove by and picked us up and took us back to my place.
just some advise from a long ago frequent flyer.
Just to clarify I would love to do it again but my health doesn't allow for anything like that, be careful if you do ever decide to try anything like acid, LSD or whatever they call it now.
Steve
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Let us know how that works out. 
