The elio has front/rear crumple zones and airbags. The distance between the outer door and the center of your chest is greater than the average car. It is believable that it's safe, it could easily be safer than my wife's sentra.
I never cared for those "test" into a wall.. take that toy and a full sized truck and get both up to 40 mph head on.. I've thinking the big vehicle just "punts" the small one out of the way.. not good, in traffic.. playing ping ball wizard
Also you may not understand this but a immovable wall like the one shown in this video with the crumple zones pretty accurately demonstrates a oncoming vehicle close in size/weight.
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Also you may not understand this but a immovable wall like the one shown in this video with the crumple zones pretty accurately demonstrates a oncoming vehicle close in size/weight.
sure it does, that's why all those 5 star small cars have people taken away from wrecks in body bags.. one of the down sides of having fire fighters and police officers in the family, and a county coroner makes for interesting holidays..
sure it does, that's why all those 5 star small cars have people taken away from wrecks in body bags.. one of the down sides of having fire fighters and police officers in the family, and a county coroner makes for interesting holidays..
Are you this dense in real life? Small cars and big trucks can be both safe and unsafe, it depends on the engineering involved. Are you one of those people who say "I don't wear my seat belt because ill be thrown free of a wreck?" Are you whitedevil88's cousin or something, you seem to go against everyone.
Are you this dense in real life? Small cars and big trucks can be both safe and unsafe, it depends on the engineering involved. Are you one of those people who say "I don't wear my seat belt because ill be thrown free of a wreck?" Are you whitedevil88's cousin or something, you seem to go against everyone.
did you read what I posted.. if these wonderful 5 star rated vehicles are so safe, why so many die in them? I never said the "size " of the vehicle= it's safe or not.. real life wrecks and those crash it into a concrete wall are not the same.. or those 5 star rated vehicles would not look like a 20 ton boulder hit it.. and why once they started with testing the off angle 20% overlap head on wrecks, all those 5 star rated vehicles FAILED!!!!!!!!!!!.. as that is closer to reality wreck, the ones the fire fighters and emt's scrape off the roadways..
It seems you're living in a alternate universe where physics are warped and you say things you never said.
My statement in blue, your response to that statement in red.
read the whole statement not just part of it, "sure it does, that's why those 5 star rated............" a 5 star rated small car, and a 5 star rated 6000 lb suv.. then size matters, size doesn't automaticly make it safer.. but if that orange 3 wheeler having more air space between the door and the center of your chest "your words".. Then is it safe to say that an 6000 lb suv with tons more air space around the passengers than a civic.. also make it safer, or does that only factor in, when it fits?? See in the real world, that bigger vehicle tends to also be higher.. and the smaller vehicle has a bad habbit of going under under it.. inertia is a funny thing.. that 6000 lb tank tends to have more behind it to keep it going in the direction it was going, much more than a 3000 lb vehicle.. so when they meet, one tends to keep going as the other comes to a stop.. crumble zones can only fool physics so much.. You can stick with what you believe and that's fine.. Those that get called to clean up the wrecks, see it first hand.. I've been unlucky enough to have been hit head on 3 times.. and rear ended twice, t boned once.. hazards of driving for a living,, I've walked away everytime.. in my larger cars (89 grand mark and a 99 ) and my trucks, even the poorly rated in test 98 f-150 , the ones that hit me, didn't walk away..more times than not.. when the car was a smaller model.. (ford escort,honda civic,toyota celica,vw golf) the other two one was a jeep, and Toyota mini truck.. heck the civic was so far under my 88 f-150 that the front bumper creased the roof.. must be super fun staring at a ford I beam front diff.. I know my fiero is rated safe, but I also know most vehicles on the road will roll right over it.. heck.. an accord or camary trunk lid is about level with the fiero roof.. never mind full sized pick up .trucks.. if what the highway safety leads people to believe using their ratings my 98 f-150 should've been toast when the celica hit it.. same thing when I got t boned in the 99 grand mark by the vw.. going by the "ratings" Sure people get killed in bigger vehicles but the laws of averages are on their side..
sure it does, that's why all those 5 star small cars have people taken away from wrecks in body bags.. one of the down sides of having fire fighters and police officers in the family, and a county coroner makes for interesting holidays..
Safe doesn't mean guaranteed survival in every possible crash. I really hope you know this and just chose to ignore it.
Safe doesn't mean guaranteed survival in every possible crash. I really hope you know this and just chose to ignore it.
Yes ,I understand that, but those in the family that see wrecks more than the avg. person, as they get called to them and have to document the scene. get a pretty good idea of how a model, stands up in a wreck. as they record the angles/speed/what it came in contact with.
Statistics, real recorded statistics trump whatever you think you've observed based on second hand information.
Why do you do this? Why come into a thread, oppose someone's post, then half way agree with them after you look foolish but never admit you where wrong in the first place? It's no surprise your ratings bar looks the way it does.
Elio has hit one more benchmark, they have a prototype engine and they are finally building the first of the pre production concepts of many more finalized cars they would need for crash testing and real world data. I'm still not convinced it will ever see production but I'm still excited to see this next prototype. If you look at the picture you can see they are still pulling fiberglass parts so that specific car would not really be pre production crash tests.
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It's not for me, and I don't really like the design. It looks like they took an open wheel concept and attached it to the side of an economy car. In my opinion, they didn't even design it to look cool. I like small sporty cars, but this is very bland looking in my opinion. But... I give it props / credit for not following the norm. I guess the larger track in front gives it better stability in corners, but if they were going to make it that small, why not tuck the wheels in closer and lower the center of gravity more? I would have thought it neat for them to also power the rear wheel... making it a 3x3... but oh well.
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Originally posted by CharlieHorse:
But you wont see a small woman going to get her nails done in a truck so big she has to climb into it with a ladder.
Not trying to be cynical here, but not sure what you think is going to change. In the suburbs, and in newer metropolis cities (IE: NOT Boston, NY, Chicago, DC) where you have larger roads (IE: Houston, Miami, Atlanta, etc.) you do have women who do that right now. Down here in Miami... with the exception of the middle class that bought their home before the influx of money... if they aren't driving some form of brand new Mercedes S class, Bentley, Maserati, Porsche, Lexus LS or Audi... then they're driving a Suburban/Yukon/Denali, an Infinity X80, BMW X6, Lexus LX, Lincoln Navigator. Not to mention I still see women driving Lincoln Blackwoods, and Ford F250s with all the options on them. The tiniest most petite women, driving Suburbans... and they ARE getting their nails done. So that is happening now. Unless the Government mandates and bans large SUVs and trucks... I don't see this ever changing.
I'm still skeptical but it looks like they have invested in some of the tooling. The body parts are Probably not ready for mass production but many of the metal parts looked stamped, even the A arms are no longer tubular. If I understand it right, this is the 1st of 25 test mules.
Skinnier tires are better in snow. Snow doesn't give any traction. Wide tires ride on top of the snow. Skinny tires go through the snow to the pavement that has traction.
Skinnier tires are better in snow. Snow doesn't give any traction. Wide tires ride on top of the snow. Skinny tires go through the snow to the pavement that has traction.
A skinnier tire gives you more control through steering over a normal tire but not really a breaking or acceleration improvement.
A snow tire however workes differently. A snow tire grips snow in the tread and that trapped snow pressing against the snow on the ground grips better all around.
A skinnier tire gives you more control through steering over a normal tire but not really a breaking or acceleration improvement.
Huge braking/acceleration improvement with a skinny tire in snow. (At least, in other than hard packed snow.) Snow is ice. What gets better traction, ice or pavement? Less slip equals better steering, braking and acceleration. Better traction is less slip.
Snow rated tires are better in snow that's packed enough where no tire can dig through to the pavement. Snow tires (non-studded) work by using a softer compound as well as more (and well placed) sipes (those little "cuts" in the tread). Studded snow tires are only an improvement on hard packed snow/ice. Anything else will destroy both the ground and the tires.
.. Then is it safe to say that an 6000 lb suv with tons more air space around the passengers than a civic.. also make it safer, or does that only factor in, when it fits?? See in the real world, that bigger vehicle tends to also be higher.. and the smaller vehicle has a bad habbit of going under under it.. inertia is a funny thing.. that 6000 lb tank tends to have more behind it to keep it going in the direction it was going, much more than a 3000 lb vehicle..
..but that is AWESOME
