Kind of. They doused him with an accelerant from head to toe. From what I have read the fire consumes oxygen, including oxygen thats in your lungs and you actually affixiate long before death from the burns. If you're being burned over a fuel source (tied to a cross with fire under your feet) you're in a world of hurt. There comes a point where third degree burns become painless due to burning off the nerve endings however 3rd degree burns are surrounded by 2nd degree burns and I would rather not be subjected to finding out what its like to be burned alive. He was burned to prove a point, the bombs he dropped burned his "victim's" and covered them in rubble, he got the same as the cage he was locked in was covered in a blown up building destroyed by Jordan, dare I say it was poetic? IS wanted a **** storm, they got one.
He was burned because ISIS considered him an apostate. ISIS has pretty clearly gotten the message across that they follow what they consider true Islam, and those that don't follow their interpretation are heretics and apostates and will be dealt with as such.
ISIS Issues Fatwa to Justify Burning of Jordanian Pilot
Following the immolation of the Jordanian pilot, Mu’adh Al-Kasasbeh, the Islamic State’s “Fatwa and Research Authority” issued a ruling which stated that burning non-Muslims alive “is completely permissible”.
The fatwa was distributed in the streets of Raqqa and also posted on February 3, 2015 on the Twitter account of an ISIS activists’ group called “Raqqa is Being Slaughtered Silently” (@Raqqa_SI). The following are translated excerpts from it:
“Q: What is the ruling on burning an infidel with fire until he dies?”
“A: The Hanafi and Shafi’i schools [of Islam] hold that burning is completely permissible. They interpreted the saying of the Prophet that ‘Only Allah shall torture with fire’ as [a call for] humility. [The scholar] Al-Muhallab said: ‘This ban is not [an actual] prohibition, but rather a means for [advocating] humility.’
“[Shafi'i scholar] Ibn Hajar, may Allah have mercy on him, said: ‘[This saying] indicates that it is permissibile to burn, as the Companions did. The Prophet blinded two men from ‘Arina [whom he judged to be apostates and criminals] with a branding iron. Khalid bin Al-Walid, [one of the Prophet's Companions], also burned apostates with fire.’
“Some scholars hold that burning with fire is essentially prohibited, but is permissible while acting in retribution, as the Prophat did with the two men of ‘Arina. He blinded them with an iron as an act of retribution, as is mentioned in authentic [hadith]. And this is the most prominent among the proofs.”
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Ignorance as a strategy for the future? No thank you. It's those who forget the lessons of history that have to relearn them - time and time again.
That seems as good an intro as any for my responses to Roger...
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...not all of them (Germans) had disdain for everyone else living on the planet like muslim/islamists (do). They really just targeted Jews, not the rest of the world.
Roger, your education is sorely lacking. The following table from HERE shows the number of different peoples targeted by the Nazis for extermination.
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Muslims/islams want everyone else dead thats on the planet.
You've taken a poll?
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I hope i DO scare and disgust you...everyone NEEDS to wake up.
I'll agree with you there. Everyone certainly does need to wake up... and learn to think for themselves.
Again, I didnt here the same rhetoric from Germans I hear every day from muslim, islams, ISIS and whatever. Again on the evening news I saw them cheering at the pilot burning. Thats the ONLY thing they are taught. I still say lets burn up a few million of them.
Theres only so much time all at once. I wish I could magically make them ALL disappear into another dimension...world would be so much better off. Someone really needs to work on some disease that only affects them so the problem would take care of itself.
Reports from a closed door meeting between Jordanian King and members of congress say the king is mad--mad enough to quote Clint Eastwood's character William Munny.
Meanwhile, the United Arab Emirates has bailed on the "coalition" of countries flying airstrikes until and unless the US positions MV 22 Osprey rescue aircraft in Northern Iraq in case a UAE F-16 goes down.
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The United Arab Emirates, a key Arab member of the US-led coalition against the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), has not flown combat missions over Syria since last December, US officials say. The Gulf Arab state dropped out of the group of countries conducting air strikes against ISIL targets in Syria after a Jordanian pilot was captured, citing fears for their pilots' safety in the case of downed planes. "I can confirm that UAE suspended air strikes shortly after the Jordanian pilot's plane went down," AFP news agency quoted an unnamed US official as saying. "But let me be clear that UAE continues to be an important and valuable partner that is contributing to the coalition." The US officials spoke on Wednesday only on condition of anonymity because the move has not been announced and they were not authorised to speak on the record.
UAE 'demands' The UAE has demanded that the US improve its search-and-rescue efforts, including the use of V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft, in northern Iraq, closer to the battleground, instead of basing the missions in Kuwait, the New York Times cited officials as saying. The country's pilots will not rejoin the fight until the Ospreys, which take off and land like helicopters but fly like planes, are put in place in northern Iraq, the report said. Even after the UAE stopped flying the missions, the US military has continued to state in daily news releases about the air campaign that the UAE is among coalition partner nations "conducting air strikes in Syria". Apart from the UAE, Bahrain, Jordan and Saudi Arabia take part in US-led air raids in Syria, which began in September. Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom participate in the air campaign in Iraq, which was launched on August 8. The US plays a dominant role in the air war, carrying out at least 80 percent of the raids, according to officials.
So, we're doing 80% of the work in the Iraq air campaign against IS, and the Shiite al Badr brigades are doing 80% of the ground work against IS in Iraq and Peshmerga doing the rest while the Sunni dog cowers and quivers like a bowl full of jelly..
Reports from a closed door meeting between Jordanian King and members of congress say the king is mad--mad enough to quote Clint Eastwood's character William Munny.
News says that he is going to pilot a bomber himself in the next attack. Doesn't seem to be the wisest thing to put him at risk but what symbolism! He is sunni islam. Kind of puts to rest the idea of 'no good muslim'.
I have heard the brief statement that the U.S. is reconfiguring and relocating some of its military resources across Iraq, in order to provide a more responsive CSAR (Combat Search And Rescue) option for the scenario of another Coalition pilot having to bail out in or close to ISIS controlled territories in Syria and Iraq.
Anyone see any details on this? Is the U.S. also complementing this CSAR-upgrade by plussing up or reassigning any of the U.S. forces that are based in Turkey?
Any sign that this change will have an impact on the UAE, which suspended all of its air missions against ISIS in December, because (as reported) of their concern about another downed pilot scenario?
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Originally posted by maryjane: Meanwhile, the United Arab Emirates has bailed on the "coalition" of countries flying airstrikes until and unless the US positions MV 22 Osprey rescue aircraft in Northern Iraq in case a UAE F-16 goes down.
Yeah, sure, right, . That is the official story, depending ... on who you ask. According to the Defense Dept web site they are still credited on participating. Nobama doesn't want it known that his coalition is falling apart. There is more to it than just downed aircraft rescue assets. Mainly Nobama's lack of leadership and the fact that he can not even identify the enemy. That ISIS is and Islamic extremist terrorist group. Even the King of Jordan identifies them as such, . Nobama stated about the burning of the Jordanian pilot that "whatever ideology they are operating from is bankrupt". The forth Secretary of Defense in Nobama's six years ? When asked what the strategy was to deal with them he said "to beat them and make sure they stayed beat", . I hear we are running seven/eight sorties a day. Whereas during the Iraq war we were running like 700. Nobama told Savannah Guthrie (NBC News) that we were doing everything we can to defeat ISIS, and after the pilot was executed he said we are going to double our efforts. Which is it ? Either we weren't doing everything we can or we were.
I have heard the brief statement that the U.S. is reconfiguring and relocating some of its military resources across Iraq, in order to provide a more responsive CSAR (Combat Search And Rescue) option for the scenario of another Coalition pilot having to bail out in or close to ISIS controlled territories in Syria and Iraq.
Anyone see any details on this? Is the U.S. also complementing this CSAR-upgrade by plussing up or reassigning any of the U.S. forces that are based in Turkey?
Any sign that this change will have an impact on the UAE, which suspended all of its air missions against ISIS in December, because (as reported) of their concern about another downed pilot scenario?
According to what I have read, current SAR aircraft come from a secure base in Kuwait. As of December, the only US flights allowed out of Turkish base at Incirlik are un-manned--Drones. Incirlik is near the Turkish city of Adana . Turkey, in the past, has said no to US requests unless a pretty big No-Fly zone is created over Northern and Western Syria to prevent Assad from using his assets against Turkey. US said no, they didn't want to establish a no-fly zone because they would then have to enforce it and didn't want to be drawn into what would amount to a de facto declaration of war against Syria. I think that horse left the gate a long time ago.
The Jordanian pilot went down in Syria, near ar Raqqah, not Iraq, and AFAIK, BAE was flying their sorties over Syria, so the rescue aircraft would be flying in Syrian airspace anyway. The current distance from the base in Kuwait to Raqqah is significant--about 1200 miles. MV22 Osprey has a range of approx 1100 km, so it would need refueling or carry internal fuel stores, which would slow it down some, still a long way to go for a "hurry up" SAR mission. Distance from Incirlik Turkey to Raqqah Syria is still quite a bit but not near as much as from Kuwait--less than 300 nm according to google. Other targets for air assets center near Aleppo Syria, which is even closer to Adana.
There is, in my mind, an easy fix for Turkey's refusal to allow manned aircraft at Incerlik. I don't know for sure, but I suspect the Pentagon had intended to use USAF MV22 SOCOM aircraft for the combat rescue--or USMC Ospreys as a MEF Det inTurkey. Plenty of deep open international water in the Eastern Med, just as close to Jaqqah and Aleppa as Incerlik is. Solution:
That's CVN Harry S. Truman but Osprey can and has operated from LHA-LPD-LHD and just about anything else with any kind of flight deck on it.
Even USAF SOCOM Ospreys have practiced and trained for carrier ops--or they can use USMC assets--either way, there is a practical solution available within 6th Fleet, Task Force 61/62 one of which which is already stationed in the Med with the 6th Fleet..
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He also agreed with me on napalm... ....fighting fire with fire.
My fiancee only lives a mile from the Dow Chemical complex which made napalm during the Vietnam era... I'm assuming the main plant in Midland, MI made it. In fact she lives in one of the original houses that probably would have been built for a Dow employee in the 20s
Regardless of how anyone sees this "conflict", there has been, is and always will be one resounding fact we can and should learn from history.
The only way to win a war is to kill the enemy.
If the "other side" is willing to die for it's cause, it is the responsibility of the opposing side to accommodate their wishes until they see the fallacy of the struggle. The only viable option available for ending this conflict is overwhelming destructive and violent force. When a group is willing to die for it's cause, it must be destroyed.
Death and destruction of all that is meaningful to the aggressor is the only way this will end. Their will to fight must be broken. Until the leadership on this side of the battle understand this, we will continue to be on the losing side. What one has to ask themselves is whether or not they are willing to allow the battle to come to home or address the situation in their home lands.
Unfortunately, there will always be innocent people killed in such a struggle but, that is the nature of war.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
The United Arab Emirates announced Saturday it is stationing a squadron of F-16 fighter jets in Jordan to help in the country's fight against jihadist terror group ISIS. A UAE diplomatic source and the official government news agency also said that its own combat operations in the U.S.-led coalition will resume "very soon." . . .
Since December, the UAE has suspended its combat missions, citing operational concerns. At the time, the Arab country said the appropriate search and rescue capabilities were not deployed close enough to the fighting — a concern should a coalition fighter jet go down in enemy territory.
I read that a little while ago from a different source and the gist of it was that UAE's squadron will carry out Jordanian air defense patrol duties while Jordan's offensive F16s are striking ISIL, but IF the US works out a deal with Jordan to base the Ospeys in Jordan, UAE might also revert to a strike component against ISIL. It's still a fairly long flight tho from Jordan to Raqqa Syria.
The US had A10 and other CAS aircraft as well as F16s stationed at Prince Hassan AB during the Iraqi War.
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Not nearly enough. President (Strategic Patience) Obama is now worried about his legacy and finds himself between the proverbial rock and hard place due to his reluctance to take Syria's Assad out in 2013 before they (IS) became strong and ventured into Northern Iraq from their bases in Syria. The good news is that we've all been waiting for someone in the mideast to step up and maybe that someone just did, in the form of Jordan and it's King Abdullah II. He's an old military man, has led his nation well, pushed for liberalization of social rights, can pilot an Apache helicopter, was once commanding officer of a tank company, has gone thru airborne training and is well respected in his country. He is not someone to be trifled with. Under his rule, with virtually no oil, Jordan has prospered economically as well, and women's rights have been expanded. I think ISIL may have bitten off more than they can easily chew and are fixing to pay a heavy price for making a bonfire out of one of King Abdullah's pilots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_II_of_Jordan
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Chippy? They burn someone alive and you call that "chippy?" That's the dumbest thing anyone has said on here in a long time.
Uh, it was just a metaphor to expand on my first two sentences. No need for me to have gone beyond the first two sentences. A few minutes after I posted, I was just about to go back and delete that part.
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. That is the official story, depending ... on who you ask.
....fighting fire with fire.
A golf club is NOT a WMD!
