I could kick it with that gorilla.

My wife was watching that show the other day. When it got to the monkeys that aggravate the millipedes to get them to secrete their poison as the explained they didn't know why they did it. I was looking at my wife saying "they do it to get high". Shortly after that hey said intoxication was one possible reason for it among those they are researching.

Monkey Junkies???

This is how it begins. Next they will want our women, and a vote.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Monkey Junkies???

The monkey on the Monkeys back...

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Besides all the reasons why I believe a monkey would not be interested in fire, creating fire, or using it to toast marshmallows: I have to say I respect the source, but I don't believe a monkey can light a match without burning its finger. I don't believe he would repeat the process once that happened. I am going to investigate this farther.

I agree. When he can make s'mores, I'll be impressed.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: This is how it begins. Next they will want our women, and a vote.

first step fire, next step FIRE!

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Besides all the reasons why I believe a monkey would not be interested in fire, creating fire, or using it to toast marshmallows: I have to say I respect the source, but I don't believe a monkey can light a match without burning its finger. I don't believe he would repeat the process once that happened. I am going to investigate this farther.

If he's "domesticated" i can see him doing all of it. They are smart and learn quickly. If they saw one of the people making fire and cooking, they are liable to emulate it.

Isn't that a forum member here?

quote Originally posted by DanDamage: first step fire, next step FIRE!

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quote Originally posted by User00013170: If he's "domesticated" i can see him doing all of it. They are smart and learn quickly. If they saw one of the people making fire and cooking, they are liable to emulate it.

Notice it doesn't actually show him lighting the fire, and barely shows him even lighting the match.
Also notice during the "marshmallow roasting" how big the logs in the fire are.

I believe he may actually not be afraid to be that close to fire (even light a match and quickly drop it), not be bothered by the smoke, and roasted the marshmallow and ate it, but it was a human that built the fire.

All they would have to do to prove me wrong is pull the camera back for a complete view of the whole procedure....... I couldn't help but notice the clever camera frames & cuts.

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While it's cool watching a primate build a fire and roast marshmallows, I wonder if the primate hands and arms we saw in close up belonged to the ape that was eating the marshmallows, or a human in an ape suit. Either way, it was definitely a primate building a fire and roasting marshmallows.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Either way, it was definitely a primate building a fire......

I don't think you can't definitively say that.
Because that isn't shown in the video, in my opinion.

Notice how the pile of sticks are carefully built-up as he just hap-hazardly tosses his sticks on the carefully crafted "tee-pee" style woodpile....that's a human design from years of experimentation of what will & won't work when trying to get a fire going.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I don't think you can't definitively say that. Because that isn't shown in the video, in my opinion. Notice how the pile of sticks is built-up as he hap-hazardly just throws sticks he broke in half on the carefully crafted woodpile...

We are technically primates...

quote Originally posted by User00013170: We are technically primates...

I agree.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I don't think you can't definitively say that.

Ummm... yes he can. Do your research.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I don't think you can't definitively say that. Because that isn't shown in the video, in my opinion.

I suppose it could have been a robot. And monkeys might fly out of your butt. It could happen.

Show me in that video where he puts a burning match to a pile of sticks that isn't already burning.....why wouldn't they show that?

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Boonie, nobody can say for sure that this ape lit the fire... but I'll bet all my Fieros (total worth about $153 CDN) that a primate no doubt did.

EDIT: Aw Boonie, did you get the ape video taken down.

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Like I said; The whole segment is about an Ape building and lighting a fire....why wouldn't they show him actually building or lighting the fire?
Why aren't there any wide shots of this amazing new never-before-seen Ape ability?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: P.S. I want more that anything for Apes to close the gap between us & them! And I believe it is their destiny to do so. If we don't advertently or inadvertently kill them first....it's going to take them a few million (thousands?) years to evolve to our grand level. The real question is, we will allow it....

We're well on our way to meeting them half way. Or more.

With a little effort i bet we could make them into a great slave labor force.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: With a little effort i bet we could make them into a great slave labor force.

And with a clear conscience we would do it.

quote Originally posted by User00013170:

LINK BROKEN

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Either way, it was definitely a primate building a fire......

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I don't think you can't definitively say that.

I glad you agree with him, but it does beg the question: "What DO you think he CAN say?"

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"Monkey see, monkey do" to use a phrase. When he learns -on his own- to make the match I will be impressed (and a bit worried).

Holy crap Batman! One of the most positive forum members arguing about the possibilities of an ape lighting a fire? The world's end is near.

Honestly, I think the ape can do it. But the camera is not continuous, so a pinch of doubt is casted. Eh, this was meant to make us smile.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: "What DO you think he CAN say?"

Anything about what the video definitively shows.
The video does not show an ape starting a fire (or even a human, for that matter).

Now, if the whole argument is that humans are primates and therefore a primate indeed started the fire....fine.
But the video doesn't even show that, either.

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They just didnt want to show it spraying lighter fluid on the sticks before lighting it, that's all.

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: Holy crap Batman! One of the most positive forum members arguing about the possibilities of an ape lighting a fire? The world's end is near. Honestly, I think the ape can do it. But the camera is not continuous, so a pinch of doubt is casted. Eh, this was meant to make us smile.

Don't get me wrong; it's the best thing I read all week!
And I love the possibility.

It's just that some things they are (and aren't) showing us don't make sense...

Excellent video editing! We can teach animals to do many things.

Kania, Dan, the gorrila walk into a bar .. you finish the joke

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Now, if the whole argument is that humans are primates and therefore a primate indeed started the fire....fine.

Finally!

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: But the video doesn't even show that, either.

What else could've occurred... perhaps a convenient lightning strike?

quote Originally posted by User00013170: This is how it begins. Next they will want our women, and a vote.

I'd be OK with them voting, they're probably way smarter than most of the people who cast ballots. (Evidently)

I just wanna know where he got the matches and marshmallows.....

quote Originally posted by Patrick: What else could've occurred... perhaps a convenient lightning strike?

Which I'm sure is where we first "captured" it!

Really?
Did you see it happen? (I am pretty sure, there was no video around in those days)
If you didn't see it happen then you would be no less presumptuous in your assertion than Formula88.
Man could have "captured" fire in various ways.
Friction from rubbing tree limbs moving in the wind has started fires.
There were even natural fission reactors eons and eons ago. (pre-man timeline if current archaeological science/paleontology is correct)
Meteor strikes have brought fire to grasslands.
Spontaneous combustion of rotting grass and plants have caused fires with no human interaction.
And of course these have been around since before man and are still in the news today:

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