What do you plan on doing? What are your minimum requirements for the mobo? Particular to any brand? What OS? (Asking for memory requirements) Intend to Over clock?
First question being the big one as that will decide the most... Are you using an next gen AMD video card? (Only asking because Mantle just dropped)
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I assume you're wanting to keep your SLI Gfx cards and your PCI x1 sound card? If that's the case, the MOBO Fiero_Fan linked to isn't big enough. I'd probably drop to an K-series Haswell i5 and step up the system board. If you're getting the GTX 570's from across the pond, system memory will be less of an issue, so 8 should be enough, but I would probably recommend upping to 16GB.
I assume you're wanting to keep your SLI Gfx cards and your PCI x1 sound card? If that's the case, the MOBO Fiero_Fan linked to isn't big enough. I'd probably drop to an K-series Haswell i5 and step up the system board. If you're getting the GTX 570's from across the pond, system memory will be less of an issue, so 8 should be enough, but I would probably recommend upping to 16GB.
Good call, I forgot he had an SLI config. Here is my changed list.
Any reason your recommended anything larger than 8GB for RAM? The only reason I see any one needing more than 8GB is for heavy video editing and rendering which I don't think boondawg does.
I looked at that system board, but looking at the PCIe slot layout, I'm not sure how well it would work. The 2 PCIe 3.0 slots are on the bottom and the PCIe 2.0 slot is on the top. vWith the money saved (almost $100) dropping from an i7 to an i5, you'd be remiss not to look at a MOBO at a similar price differential. This ASRock Z87 is massive overkill on the audio AND network side of things, but I like the PCIe slot layout better. YMMV.
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Any reason your recommended anything larger than 8GB for RAM? The only reason I see any one needing more than 8GB is for heavy video editing and rendering which I don't think boondawg does.
No specific reason, I just always like to have a little more RAM than I think I'll really need.
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Using the aforementioned i5, and 8GB G.Skill RAM, but using the ASRock Z87 MOBO, the total comes to around $515+shipping.
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Originally posted by Rallaster: This ASRock Z87 is massive overkill on the audio AND network side of things, but I like the PCIe slot layout better. YMMV.
Top-quality audio solution with AUDIO BOOST and Sound Blaster Cinema The highest frag and the lowest lag with Killer E2200 Boosting performance thanks to OC Genie 4 Optimized for multiple graphics cards Military Class 4 components Gaming device port
Try looking into an Intel NUC. Or New Unit of Computing. It is a self contained small unit and they are fairly inexpensive. I have one with a Celeron processor, 4 gig of memory, built in video card and sound card, 320 gig hard drive, WIFI, Bluetooth & Infrared. All for under $300.00. There are other ones with higher levels of processor up to an I-7 and they are still pretty inexpensive. They are all built on the basis of using the same type of architecture as a laptop so that they don't use a lot of power nor do they heat up. Some even don't have fans.
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I can get behind that one. Also, Amazon has it for $144 on Prime. $20 cheaper than Newegg.
To be honest I'm not even that into ASUS, the last Z87 Pro I received when building a computer for a freind the driver disc was blank, the USB wouldn't read the drivers due to lack of drivers, and the board was RMA'd about 2 weeks ago.
To be honest I'm not even that into ASUS, the last Z87 Pro I received when building a computer for a freind the driver disc was blank, the USB wouldn't read the drivers due to lack of drivers, and the board was RMA'd about 2 weeks ago.
ASUS has always been very solid & dependable for me. But times (and products) do change.
Personally, the only advantage the Sabertooth has over the MSI GD65 is the additional cooling. If you have adequate ventilation in your case, the additional cooling is moot. As far as looks go, it's a toss up to me, and that's a personal preference thing.
To me, the extra $90 for the Sabertooth isn't really worth it.
Personally, the only advantage the Sabertooth has over the MSI GD65 is the additional cooling. If you have adequate ventilation in your case, the additional cooling is moot. As far as looks go, it's a toss up to me, and that's a personal preference thing.
To me, the extra $90 for the Sabertooth isn't really worth it.
ASUS has always been very solid & dependable for me. But times (and products) do change.
Just part of the game. I've had really good luck with MSI and ASRock.
The Sabertooth in an 1150 socket is $227. You could go with an AMD FX 8320 to make the $500 budget with a Sabertooth board. Reason I pick the 8320 over the 8350 is because its the same CPU, lower clock, which doesn't matter if your going to overclock really.
Personally, the only advantage the Sabertooth has over the MSI GD65 is the additional cooling. If you have adequate ventilation in your case, the additional cooling is moot. As far as looks go, it's a toss up to me, and that's a personal preference thing.
To me, the extra $90 for the Sabertooth isn't really worth it.
Multiple complaints about fan noise on the Sabertooth
The $144 price for the MSI board is on Amazon. On Newegg it's $168. So if you're bent on getting everything from Newegg, the price differential between the MSI and Sabertooth is about cut in half. Just wanting to make sure you have as much information as possible to make a fully informed decision.
If you aren't looking at putting this on a credit card, look at the Microcenter deals and I can pick it up and ship it to you with the bottles of mead I'm sending. Even with paying sales tax, Microcenter is cheaper on all the cpus listed in this thread and the motherboard combos can work out to a pretty good deal.
If you aren't looking at putting this on a credit card, look at the Microcenter deals and I can pick it up and ship it to you with the bottles of mead I'm sending. Even with paying sales tax, Microcenter is cheaper on all the cpus listed in this thread and the motherboard combos can work out to a pretty good deal.
Yeah, not quite sure yet.....could be cash, could be credit. I'll know more next week.
Multiple complaints about fan noise on the Sabertooth
I have one and I don't find it particularly noisy, and I built my PC specifically to be quiet. The mobo fans will get quite noisy at high speed, but if you install the included monitoring and control software, they rarely run fast enough to be heard. If you have a water cooled rig setup for silent running, this probably isn't the board for you. Otherwise, I don't think the fan noise is enough to be a deciding factor.
For comparison, my Radeon 6950 fan is far louder than anything else in my PC, and I keep it throttled so it's not too loud except when gaming, and then the sound from the game typically drowns it out.
I'm also running a Noctua NH-D14 CPU heatsink/fan. Massive in size, and very nearly silent.
Maybe on stupid high-end boards. Current cards are just now started touching the max speed of PCIe 2.0 and IIRC, PCIe 3.0 is on the order of 2-3 times faster than PCIe 2.0. The cards you have and the cards you're looking at are PCIe 2.0/.1 cards. Even at PCIe 3.0 at x8/x8, there's more bandwidth available than you're going to use with 2 2.0 cards.
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Maybe on stupid high-end boards. Current cards are just now started touching the max speed of PCIe 2.0 and IIRC, PCIe 3.0 is on the order of 2-3 times faster than PCIe 2.0. The cards you have and the cards you're looking at are PCIe 2.0/.1 cards. Even at PCIe 3.0 at x8/x8, there's more bandwidth available than you're going to use with 2 2.0 cards.
CPU: Intel i5 4670K, $240 @ Newegg -- The "K" on the end means multiplier unlocked, i.e. overclocking yumminess. This is the Tom's Hardware pick for best mid-range gaming CPU.
MOBO: Asus Z87-A, $140 @ Newegg -- This is the least expensive Asus Z87 series motherboard, but should cover all the bases. It also has lots of nifty features. You can install your sound card in the top PCIe x1 slot, and not worry about interfering with the video cards.
CPU: Intel i5 4670K, $240 @ Newegg -- The "K" on the end means multiplier unlocked, i.e. overclocking yumminess. This is the Tom's Hardware pick for best mid-range gaming CPU.
MOBO: Asus Z87-A, $140 @ Newegg -- This is the least expensive Asus Z87 series motherboard, but should cover all the bases. It also has lots of nifty features. You can install your sound card in the top PCIe x1 slot, and not worry about interfering with the video cards.
Originally posted by Rallaster: That Systemboard was discussed earlier. The PCI slot layout would make working with his SLI and audiocard installation mildly annoying.
Why is that? The bottom PCIe slot is the one that runs at x2 speed. The top two x16 slots are used for the video cards. With two dual-slot video cards installed, he will have both PCIe x1 slots available, plus the bottom x16 slot (which runs at x2). Since Boonie's sound card is PCIe x1, it'll fit in any of the three (although I'd suggest the top one). If Boonie has "legacy PCI" expansion cards to install, then it'll be an issue, as the video cards will block both of them. But if not, then no worries.
As far as what will play nicely together, I don't really have any preference. What I can attest to is that Gigabyte has the best tech support/warranty repair service I've ever experienced. The experiences I've had with them lately, I will probably never buy anything else.
I'm actually liking the layout and the reviews on this motherboard. No unneeded old-school pci slots, a fool-proof overclocking utility, very good price. But is MSI dependable quality?
MSI is pretty good. I've got a system I built around an Ivy Bridge i5 that's running an MSI with MilSpec guts and it's running like a DREAM. SATAIII (6Gb/s) 128GB SSD with MSI quickboot and the system goes from power off to surfing the internet in under 15 seconds.
The Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz is $239.00.
The Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz is $339.00.
I know you can overclock the i5-4670K pretty far, but I hear the i7-4770K is a monster over-clocker. But is it worth the extra $100? I'm thinking not.
The i5-4670K seems to be the winner.
Something to remember, the i5 is straight quad-core while the i7 is quad-core with Hyperthreading. Just to make your decision making that much harder...
Originally posted by Boondawg: I know you can overclock the i5-4670K pretty far, but I hear the i7-4770K is a monster over-clocker. But is it worth the extra $100? I'm thinking not.
Starting with MSI, I've run MSI from MOBO's, Graphics Cards, to Laptops. The only component I've ever had fail on me was a laptop which died due to heat 2 years after purchase. I beat that thing hard constantly dropping it and gaming in bed blocking off all the ventilation on a blanket. Thing was a monster. Solder joints failed.
As far as the i7 goes in overclocking... It all depends on your batch.
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