But....but, that would imply having faith in something other than Science!
Interesting how much faith some people have in things that they don't understand......
The things I don't understand about the beginning on the universe, I accept that I don't understand them. Maybe someday more answers will be clear. For now, I'm comfortable not knowing the answers.
The things I don't understand about the beginning on the universe, I accept that I don't understand them. Maybe someday more answers will be clear. For now, I'm comfortable not knowing the answers.
I've always thought that tolerance for uncertainty is one of the most telling characteristics that differentiates between "true believers" and rational thinkers. (Of course, most people fall somewhere in between those two extremes.)
Science (and, more generally, rational thought) is well suited to answering most "how" questions, but it is often totally unsuited to answering the "why" questions. I'm comfortable not understanding a lot of things. The more you know, the more you don't know. It's the people who are absolutely certain that tend to worry me.
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I've always thought that tolerance for uncertainty is one of the most telling characteristics that differentiates between "true believers" and rational thinkers. (Of course, most people fall somewhere in between those two extremes.)
Science (and, more generally, rational thought) is well suited to answering most "how" questions, but it is often totally unsuited to answering the "why" questions. I'm comfortable not understanding a lot of things. The more you know, the more you don't know. It's the people who are absolutely certain that tend to worry me.
It can be uncomfortable, but that just leads to pressing through more boundaries.
The things I don't understand about the beginning on the universe, I accept that I don't understand them. Maybe someday more answers will be clear. For now, I'm comfortable not knowing the answers.
So it does change my life. Even if I won't ever be able to experience the true nature of this discovery and what it holds for us, I have happiness and envy for humanity in a thousand years, when we'll be crossing stars with ease and crossing even new boundaries. It's exciting.
This is pretty much my point about the whole thing. Saying this discovery is "great news" is like a pre-historic man running into a cave and exclaiming that television will be possible thousands of years in the future. Sure. Cool. Exciting and "Great"? Not by my standards. Now if the thread had been about a cure for cancer or hunger or the shortage of .22 ammo at Walmart, that would have been bigger news that would have deserved the badge of "great".
I also can't help but think that the whole purpose of the thread was to jab at those who do not believe in a spontanious "big bang" creation of the universe. Certainly the second poster thought the same.
I also can't help but think that the whole purpose of the thread was to jab at those who do not believe in a spontanious "big bang" creation of the universe. Certainly the second poster thought the same.
The purpose of this thread clearly was information for those interested in this area of science...nothing to do with religion bashing. Now the second post....that was just plain funny
The purpose of this thread clearly was information for those interested in this area of science...nothing to do with religion bashing. Now the second post....that was just plain funny
Maybe it was all about the science. Maybe not. I have to consider the OP and his agenda. I don't mean that as a back-handed jab. It is clear to everyone that he's on an anti-Christian power tour.
As for thinking the second post was funny, it exactly the kind of post that drags religion into scientific discussions needlessly and at the same time hurts, divides, and silences other members. When more people realize these effects, maybe folks will grow up and figure out it isn't funny anymore.
I also can't help but think that the whole purpose of the thread was to jab at those who do not believe in a spontanious "big bang" creation of the universe. Certainly the second poster thought the same.
The second poster was being sarcastic, I think.
And to complain about reporting a scientific discovery as being a "jab" at someone is quite something...
As for thinking the second post was funny, it exactly the kind of post that drags religion into scientific discussions needlessly and at the same time hurts, divides, and silences other members. When more people realize these effects, maybe folks will grow up and figure out it isn't funny anymore.
Funny is a weak term for actually believing the Earth is 6,000 years old.
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Funny is a weak term for actually believing the Earth is 6,000 years old.
And speaking of statements that divide, hurt, silence, etc, etc, here's another fine example of a member who gives no consideration to the beliefs that his fellow members care deeply about.
And speaking of statements that divide, hurt, silence, etc, etc, here's another fine example of a member who gives no consideration to the beliefs that his fellow members care deeply about.
When throwing rocks, it is wise to expect some of them to be picked up and thrown back at you. When the bangers stop being active, I'll not have a reason to be reactive.
And speaking of statements that divide, hurt, silence, etc, etc, here's another fine example of a member who gives no consideration to the beliefs that his fellow members care deeply about.
I will never get why fairytales get to demand respect respect is earned
would you respect Aztec's demanding victims for their god ?
So you can do your thing and the world should bow to your way of thinking? No room on this planet or on this forum for people who are different from you?
When throwing rocks, it is wise to expect some of them to be picked up and thrown back at you. When the bangers stop being active, I'll not have a reason to be reactive.
So you can do your thing and the world should bow to your way of thinking? No room on this planet or on this forum for people who are different from you?
no bowing REQUIRED BY ME but I also refuse to be forced by the state to bow to your religion I am happy you co-believers paused killing my people few hundred years ago mostly open question is will that continue or will Christians start a new Inquisition you are free to believe what ever you want I respect your right to believe I just see NO right to demand respect for what you belief IS and if you state those beliefs in the public forum as FACTS i HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISPUTE YOUR FACTS
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FINALLY!!! Thank you for finally showing your respect of people's faith beliefs!!
(THAT was sarcasm)
What do you want me to say? If I was adamant that the Earth was flat because from where I am, it looks like it and I have a book that says so and I go to an assembly place on a specific day of the week where they also tell me so and there are many other people that believe it, too, would you show respect for my "belief" or would you say that I just ignore reality?
What do you want me to say? If I was adamant that the Earth was flat because from where I am, it looks like it and I have a book that says so and I go to an assembly place on a specific day of the week where they also tell me so and there are many other people that believe it, too, would you show respect for my "belief" or would you say that I just ignore reality?
You just can't grasp it can you? I don't give two hoots in hell WHAT you believe or respect. I'm talking about PEOPLE!! You should respect people. I talking about basic respect that there is a human being with thoughts and feelings and history and pain and they deserve the right to simply BE. Why is it yours, rabies, or witchie's job to attack Christianity at every opportunity? Why do any of you feel compelled to create those opportunities? What do you gain from degrading forum members for their faith?
texas anti-aborton laws in fact most laws about sex inc pron war on gay rights the war on drugs
can you buy a drink or a bottle on a sunday morning ?
Are any of these EXCLUSIVELY Christian? No.
Why didn't you stop the killing of your people? Do you not feel any responsibility to their wellbeing? Do you expect the government to do your dirty work!
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This is pretty much my point about the whole thing. Saying this discovery is "great news" is like a pre-historic man running into a cave and exclaiming that television will be possible thousands of years in the future. Sure. Cool. Exciting and "Great"? Not by my standards. Now if the thread had been about a cure for cancer or hunger or the shortage of .22 ammo at Walmart, that would have been bigger news that would have deserved the badge of "great".
I also can't help but think that the whole purpose of the thread was to jab at those who do not believe in a spontanious "big bang" creation of the universe. Certainly the second poster thought the same.
No, because the purpose of the caveman was to survive. Our purpose is to wonder and explore and find happiness. So it's far more relevant to us today than a TV would have been to a caveman.
It's motivating to me. So it's big news. It is big news for those that follow science. If you don't follow science you may not think so.
But I don't think the purpose of the thread was to put down any religion. Wichita is a troll when it comes to religion but the thread wasn't created to put down anyone. "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." - NDT
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." "Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." -Carl Sagan
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." "Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense." -Carl Sagan
Good quotes, and I agree with both.
I follow evidence. I won't say a god doesn't exist because no evidence can say otherwise. But I don't find it likely given what we do know. So I don't believe.
What is fact though, is that the earth is a lot older than 6000 years old. That's not trying to put down anyone. And I know many (most?) Christians don't even believe that. Just roping in the topic from earlier.
if "The Book" said "in the beginning, god said 'let there be a big bang'" would it make anyone happy?
Its says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". It says "God said, Let there be light, and there was light." Its not illogical to think it indeed would be like bam in the blink of an eye things rapidly formed, as if from nothing. The remainder is about earth specifically.
Which if taken to make sense means what? To me it can mean keep studying. I mean it doesnt mean everything you think you see is true how you think you see it at all times...
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Its says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth". It says "God said, Let there be light, and there was light." Its not illogical to think it indeed would be like bam in the blink of an eye things rapidly formed, as if from nothing. The remainder is about earth specifically.
trees with fruits BEFORE stars [when everything in a tree was made in a star] light BEFORE the sun was made ?
i have no issue with people who honestly strive to live according to the word of jesus. i have few issues with people who honestly strive to live by the words of the old testament.
i have major problems with those who claim to live by the words, but do otherwise. the difficulty is telling the one, from the other.
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Which if taken to make sense means what? To me it can mean keep studying. I mean it doesnt mean everything you think you see is true how you think you see it at all times...
Science is a noun, not part of a sentence. You can break down any sentence into translations and have it not make sense.
If you want to learn more about what science is, you can read the Wikipedia article.
You're thinking of the wrong idea for study. It's not talking about memorizing the President names in 5th grade. It's talking about the fluid conglomeration of results from repeatable and testable studies of everything. And the only reason it's fluid is because it is based on current knowledge.
