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WTB ISO SD4 engine or parts to build one. by Tealtiki
Started on: 06-27-2023 08:20 PM
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Report this Post06-27-2023 08:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TealtikiSend a Private Message to TealtikiEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Looking into doing an SD4 swap so I'm looking for anyone who has some parts for sale.
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Report this Post07-04-2023 12:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Mostly made of Unobtainium, by now. I do wish you luck, however.
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The SD4 is a 80's design that never went into mass production. It is capable of making excellent power but keeping it streetable is a challenge. I believe that engine has run its course but they occasionally come up for sale. Jennifer Goss the president of MAFOA owns one and may be able to provide some leads.

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Thank you for the response. I'll have to look into it.
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I was able to get ahold of a couple of blocks and heads. basically a nearly complete engine without intake and exhaust along with a marine crank supposedly. I'll have to run the part numbers to know for sure.

If anyone has some intakes like the 4 barrel or two barrel let me know.
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This is one of our members selling his Webers
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/080144.html

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Thank you IMSA GT. I do appreciate the response. I've got some Weber-style manifolds, id just need to get the actual carbs however I think I'd rather go the route of EFI but if need be ill find some Webers.
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I was able to get ahold of a couple of blocks and heads. basically a nearly complete engine without intake and exhaust along with a marine crank supposedly. I'll have to run the part numbers to know for sure.

If anyone has some intakes like the 4 barrel or two barrel let me know.


I would check the Marine crankshaft. The flange at the back may or may not fit the Fiero flywheel. I would assume some used SD4 parts are around because the engine is largely obsolete. I've read about a Pontiac drag race car by Nunzie Romano) that ran in the 12's so it is powerful . That video is on You Tube.
here it is
12 second SD4 run

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Thank you IMSA GT. I do appreciate the response. I've got some Weber-style manifolds, id just need to get the actual carbs however I think I'd rather go the route of EFI but if need be ill find some Webers.


Kinsler still manufactures the manifold and EFI for the SD4 if I'm not mistaken. I have no idea about the cost.

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Report this Post08-29-2023 09:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for FieroWannaBeSend a Private Message to FieroWannaBeEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The last time i contacted Kinsler they have discontinued their SD4 intakes. Jessel will make a set of shaft rockers though.

I do have a SD4 cylinder head and intake on Ebay.
SD4 specific Parts are hard to come by, but there are capabilities to use Factory parts. Very early duke crossflow heads can handle substantial porting and people have pushed S10 blocks to much higher power levels using marine crankshafts with extra machine work.
Metal timing gears are available. Used cams pop up once in a while, but cores for new grinds seem to he limited to flat tappet cams at the moment. Bullet Cams may have billet cores to use for a roller.
I would think with lots of careful parts selection. And looking for the right parts from the right application, a 150hp duke could be built with reworked factory parts from other applications. There is a video of just this on youtube. Just no parts as used on the fiero. And the intake is probably hardest hurdle to over come.

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Originally posted by Tealtiki:

If anyone has some intakes like the 4 barrel or two barrel let me know.


 
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Originally posted by Tealtiki:

I think I'd rather go the route of EFI but if need be ill find some Webers.


Contact Shane Clogg - Admin for the Performance Duke Community Facebook group
(he had been 'collecting' various intakes for years)
https://www.facebook.com/gr...ser/100004802763440/

Webers are a tight fit in the engine bay.
The 'trumpets' are right up against the trunk above the muffler sucking hot air.



In my Indy with SD4, I could never get rid of a 'bog' with the 4-bbl carb,
and had similar problems with FAST EFI throttle body injection system.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...ML/000077-3.html#p82

So I decided to build a MPFI system with 2-bbl throttle body
(from V8 Dodge Durango) on an Edelbrock 2-bbl carb manifold.
Works great now (30 mpg on the highway too!)
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...L/000077-6.html#p226






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Report this Post08-30-2023 05:30 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TealtikiSend a Private Message to TealtikiEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks y'all for the helpful responses. I do appreciate it. Sorry its taken me a bit to respond.

Dennis. - So I have two cranks, a Marine and a Callies. The Callies was from the "complete" motor and I don't think they'll be a problem with it. It has bolt holes all way around the face of the crank. The pattern on the Marine seems to be proprietary kinda like you was talking about. I'm not opposed to having it or a flywheel modified to fit.

IMSA. - I know of a couple of places i can get the Kinsler intake. I've thought about it. And may still decide later on.

Wannabe. - I know about your 2 barrel intake, I was the one who made the offer of $150 plus the shipping. My offer still stands However, last I checked it's gotten past 3 bills so I don't think that's a good proposition anymore.
The reason I was looking for one is because of the issue Fierosound was having out of the fitment for the Fiero.

FieroSound. -I'll defintly check out Shane Clogg and the performance Duke Community group on FB thanks for the lead.

The plan is to build two motors. The first and more important one for my Fiero, cause thats what all the cool kids do. The second one for my 1st gen s10 which will have the guts out of a olds bervada. AWD with a potient 4banger kinda like a scyclone.

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I have two designs I have yet to test in any way for the 10049801 cylinder head (raised and spaced ports), using DCOE carbs/throttle bodies.

One I plan to 3d print from CF-Nylon and dyno test with.

The other would be welded aluminum. (I need to draw up the forming tool for the runners)

The angle is designed to clear the trunk in a Fiero engine bay and push the Velocity stacks just out of the hood (depending on length).

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Originally posted by Tealtiki:

I think I'd rather go the route of EFI but if need be ill find some Webers.


Webers on eBay. Not the Canon manifold I had with mine though.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/115666749191
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One of the best, if not the best, and beautiful setups in our community!

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