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4T60 conversion for a 3.4 by fierobear
Started on: 10-22-2025 01:46 PM
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Report this Post10-22-2025 01:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
My pushrod/iron head 3.4 has been mated up with a TH-125 and it is failing. I've been wanting to change to a 4 speed auto, especially because the RPM at freeway speed is 3,800. I'm told a 3.33 final drive ratio is the best for this application. I also need to know how you adapt the shifter to the 4 speed. Opinions, advice?
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Report this Post10-22-2025 03:41 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
No adaptation of the Fiero auto shifter is needed.
The detents for transmission range are built in to the transmission select shaft.
You will need to modify the length of the transmission select shaft arm, off the top of my head I don't remember the length needed.
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Originally posted by hercimer01:

I did that swap in my eighty eight formula.Look at my link.



That was for an "E" transmission?
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All of the respondents in this thread have used the 4T60.
Not the E version, which does not use a throttle valve cable.
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This is an old website that I used to maintain, but I have gearing information for the 4T60 here: https://www.pontiacperforma...icles/4T60_Info.html

And instructions and pictures how to adapt it to an 84-87 and 88 here: https://www.pontiacperforma...es/4_Speed_Swap.html

88 requires slight modification to the subframe, but for the 84-87, you just drill a hole to move a bolt.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

This is an old website that I used to maintain, but I have gearing information for the 4T60 here: https://www.pontiacperforma...icles/4T60_Info.html

And instructions and pictures how to adapt it to an 84-87 and 88 here: https://www.pontiacperforma...es/4_Speed_Swap.html

88 requires slight modification to the subframe, but for the 84-87, you just drill a hole to move a bolt.


Excellent information, VERY helpful. Thanks!

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Originally posted by fierobear:


That was for an "E" transmission?


No. Where do you see "E"?
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Originally posted by hercimer01:


No. Where do you see "E"?


Some of the write up in the other thread seemed like there were issues that would come with an E transaxle.

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Originally posted by fierobear:


Some of the write up in the other thread seemed like there were issues that would come with an E transaxle.


The Fiero ECU will not be able to control the 'E' version, as it is electronically controlled by a drivetrain computer such as an OBD1.5 ECU or and OBD2 PCM.
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Originally posted by fierobear:


Some of the write up in the other thread seemed like there were issues that would come with an E transaxle.


Right, the TH440 (4t60) is a stand alone hydraulic shift automatic 4 speed trans. I could do 75mph at 2,300 rpm.
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Originally posted by hercimer01:


Right, the TH440 (4t60) is a stand alone hydraulic shift automatic 4 speed trans. I could do 75mph at 2,300 rpm.


THAT is a major reason I need a 4 speed. The damned 3 speed is doing 3,800 RPM on the Interstate at 80.

Noted on the E trans, what I figured. Don't need it anyway, no plans for paddle shift or anything fancy.
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We did the 4T60 swap way back when and don't recall much except that it was an easy bolt in with a change of trans mounts, a new torque converter a couple of small wiring changes. Don't recall if the shift lever on the trans needed to be reversed so let me look at my old notes and post more info here later. My suggestion would be to use a rebuilt unit not a junkyard unit.

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

We did the 4T60 swap way back when and don't recall much except that it was an easy bolt in with a change of trans mounts, a new torque converter a couple of small wiring changes. Don't recall if the shift lever on the trans needed to be reversed so let me look at my old notes and post more info here later. My suggestion would be to use a rebuilt unit not a junkyard unit.


why did you change the converter?
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82 TA has it right, You will need the transmission, new transmission mounts, the 4T60 torque converter w bolts, new std GM 4T60 transmission mounts, a new bracket for the shifter cable, a simple mod for the trans shifter arm and a rewire of the TC lock up solenoid. New trans cooler hoses are recommended.
Allow about a day to pull the powertrain to get it all installed.

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