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Aces EFI - the best 4.9L Option? by 81 4.9L X-11
Started on: 05-11-2025 01:56 PM
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Hi everyone,

Short version: ACES EFI is the best option for a quick build with minimal wiring and great performance – it’s affordable and is even boost ready. I installed it in a weekend.

Now more info;

I’ve converted a Cadillac 4.9 swap to use the Aces EFI Deuces Wild kit, and have to say it is one the best options I’ve found. I’ve been on Pennock’s for almost 20 years and find it to be a great community that has helped quite a bit with my projects – so I figured I’d document the Aces setup to help others. My first car was/is an 81 X-11 Citation that I did my first 4.9 swap in circa 2004. At the time there was only a homemade software available and it basically just turned off VATs and adjusted timing, so modifying the 4.9 and keeping MPFI was not a thing. I asked TunerCats about 20 times to support the Caddy motors and they eventually came through but it still meant the swap was a wiring challenge and did not come out until after I did custom engine work. For me, one of the biggest annoyances running a Caddy ECM is the inability to tell it the AC is on so it will correct idle. At the time I figured out an LT1 PCM was my best bet for available tuning support, and would give me tuning with a knock sensor so I didn’t destroy the engine. I made a custom distributor and ended up rewiring my X-11 3 times until I got it dialed in enough = a lot of time and effort.


Fast forward to 2023, I swapped a 4.5 into an 81 Buick Skylark to be my daily driver/ budget beater. I did it as an exercise in a cheap build and knew the setup would not be ideal, but I was still way off- it sucked !! The Caddy TBI setup has zero support for making any adjustments so the higher stock idle and lack of AC compressor offset were major irritants, so I looked to replace with a 4.9 and possibly use a truck TBI ECM. Then New Years 2025, a good buddy (Master Yoda) sent me a link to the Aces EFI sale. I read up on it and it is everything I would ask for in a kit – Self tuning, wideband O2 for accuracy, AC input for idle correction, fan controls, handheld programmer/ display and a programmable output that I hope to use to lock up the Torque converter (currently using a vacuum switch) and comes with a 3 bar map so it is boost ready. It was a little more money than a truck TBI harness and ECM, plus figuring out the tuning. I considered it would be considerable less time to get running and the additional features made the Aces setup worth it and pulled trigger. I actually bought two, the other is for a turbo 3.1 build down the road.

I rebuilt a Caddy 4.9 to replace the 4.5 with a 4T60/ 440T4 trans. Aces offers a trans controller if you want to use the 4T60”E” that comes with the 4.9. I had previously rebuilt the 4T60 and it only has a few thousand miles, so there was no need to replace it. I may use their trans controller on a future swap with their Wild Card kit for Sequential EFI to run multiport injection with the Allante intake setup.

The most important thing for this swap that is not part of the kit is the distributor – Cadillac 4.X do not have aftermarket options for distributors, but thankfully the answer is on the forum. A few members here figured out converting the Caddy distributors to vacuum advance in order to run carburetors, which is great but their threads lost the pics years ago because they were links to Photobucket, etc. I did a post on how to do this and uploaded photos as attachments in the hope they stay searchable for others.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/...148505.html#lastpost

The second required item is fuel pump/ pressure control. The Aces unit is programmable for 43.5 – 58 psi fuel pressure, but they recommend 58 psi. Evil energy sells 58 psi braided line kits with corvette style 58 psi filter/regulator for under $100 so that was no brainer. I got a fuel pump for a 98 LS1 Camaro/Corvette that is good for the 58 psi. The only other significant thing I had to get was a 2300 carb to GM TBI adapter – they are plentiful on eBay, I opted for a composite one to prevent heat transfer to the TBI unit and it was cheaper.

The next thing was the throttle and trans TV cables - adapter setups are available from several sources, but I like repurposing where I can so I modified the stock 4.5 cable bracket. The 4.5 cable bracket is spaced side by side which is close to how the Aces TBI throttle plate arm is configured. The 4.9 bracket has cables stacked on top on each other which would require more modification. I'm not sure how that would work with a Fiero throttle cable.

The last two items were EGR and air cleaner. I just deleted the EGR and used a piece of flat steel with a gasket. I reused the stock Caddy 4.5 air intake and filter box.



The parts lists:

620 Deuces Wild kit + shipping (Sale)

50 98 Camaro fuel pump - rock auto

85 EVIL ENERGY 6AN Fuel Line Kit, with LS Swap Fuel Filter Regulator 58PSI 6AN CPE Hose Braided Fuel Line Fitting Kit 20FT

25 Throttle body adapter - eBay Intake Manifold Adapter For Chevy TBI Throttle For Holley 4412 2300

50 Oldsmobile OLDS V8 HEI Distributor 260 307 350 403 455 Engine 1968-1976

** Moroso 72300 Advance Curve Kit, Fits GM HEI Distributors if you want to change advance curve

4 M8-1.25 x 30mm cap screw and (2) M8-1.25 x 45mm flat head machine screws Home depot

$834 Total



Trans converter lockup control

44 Superior Transmission Parts Vacuum Switch Kit A444428 www.amazon.com/dp/B072LT1VV..._dt_b_fed_asin_title

20 Double relay (ground for 3 and 4th)

15 Delay relay - adjustable up to 10 seconds of delay so the converter does lock immediately on shifting

8 LeMotech 5 Pieces Plastic Project Boxes Junction Case for Electronic Project, Black 3.1 x 2.0 x 1.0 inch (80 x 50x 26 mm)

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Very cool!
I was able to get my 4.9 / Allante / 5 speed setup running decently on the 2240 PCM, really by modifying only 2-3 parameters. The rest was just minor tweaking for driveability and personal preferences. (DFCO, idle speed, etc.)
As you mentioned, the ability to correct for idle when the A/C kicks in is the last remaining "gotcha". It hunts badly when it's hot, and you get off the highway and stop, with the A/C running.

Of course, wideband O2, among other things, would be cool. Thanks for sharing.
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Very nice work. Now you just opened the door for a more aggressive CAM from Delta camshafts if you so desire. The lack of fueling support is the biggest limitation for the stock injected 4.9, amongst other things.
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Originally posted by Raydar:

Very cool!
I was able to get my 4.9 / Allante / 5 speed setup running decently on the 2240 PCM, really by modifying only 2-3 parameters. The rest was just minor tweaking for driveability and personal preferences. (DFCO, idle speed, etc.)
As you mentioned, the ability to correct for idle when the A/C kicks in is the last remaining "gotcha". It hunts badly when it's hot, and you get off the highway and stop, with the A/C running.

Of course, wideband O2, among other things, would be cool. Thanks for sharing.



Happy to help - got plenty from folks on here over the years. The AC offset is seamless now, I'm really happy with it. I got their CDI ignition to install this weekend to gain timing control, so will post once I have it working.

I'm gonna be hitting up their techs to figure out a hall effect ignition option/setup - it's the only unsolved item for using a Wild Card or Joker sequential EFI unit on an Allante intake motor....

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Originally posted by Spadesluck:

Very nice work. Now you just opened the door for a more aggressive CAM from Delta camshafts if you so desire. The lack of fueling support is the biggest limitation for the stock injected 4.9, amongst other things.



Thanks, and that was the plan - I did the LT1 PCM setup to run the .500" lift Delta Cam in my X-II which was a lot of work to say the least! Now there is a bolt on option for cams and/or turbos.

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Nice work but why do you need a vacuum advance distributor when you are using a Aces ECM? The Aces unit is supposed to be self tuning right?.
Just for reference on my 4.9L I used the stock 2240 ECM and the engine starts and runs good with a couple of degrees timing advance and 93 octane premium gasoline.

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

Nice work but why do you need a vacuum advance distributor when you are using a Aces ECM? The Aces unit is supposed to be self tuning right?.
Just for reference on my 4.9L I used the stock 2240 ECM and the engine starts and runs good with a couple of degrees timing advance and 93 octane premium gasoline.





Hey man, I was just about to post an update and review.

Short answer – no, you don’t need the vacuum advance distributor. When I started I didn’t know exactly how it would work given I couldn’t find anyone else that tried this swap, plus the instructions recommend starting without the Aces unit controlling timing. Now that I have it running great, I would tell whoever does an Aces swap to use the stock distributor with remote coil conversion – I’ll give details in the update.

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Update and review:

Following the wiring install I ran the setup wizard and it started first time (after allowing fuel pump to prime). After it warmed up, the TPS/throttle plate needed some adjustment on the set screw and then the TPS relearn wizard to get desired idle – which was straight forward. First drive ran good, like surprisingly good for having only done a few inputs in the start up wizard.

After a few drives for it to learn it started hunting idle when at operating temperature. Initial message to Tech support and they told me the obvious – check for vacuum leak. I knew there wasn’t one because I just built the motor, so I did a dive into YouTube videos of other Aces builds and found a Camaro guy running a KillShot unit (4 barrel version) that showed how to use the Aces tuning software to adjust fueling. The Aces software is pretty easy to use once I understood how it is setup. I found it was at the limit of pulling fuel @ 30%. There is a single parameter to adjust the entire fuel map that correlates to the start up wizard of stock, mild or race options (Stock Fuel Table Offset). It was at 90% out of the box, but consider it’s mainly geared at traditional small block motors so the 4.9 would need less fuel. I set the offset to 75%, changed target Air/Fuel ratios to 14.7 at idle and 14.9 at lean cruise and it cleaned up the idle and drives better.

Now that I had fuel adjusted, it was time for the ignition upgrade. I’ll put details in the next post, so short version is I went back to the stock distributor without the ignition module and harness, using only the magnetic pick up and setting timing to 15*. I looked up the stock timing table for a 4.9 and input the table into the tune so the Aces ECM could control timing – now it runs great !!

I don’t normally do product reviews, but I am really happy with the Aces equipment – it ran good out of the box and runs great with just a little tweaking. One of the things I like about Aces is their software is free, you can download it and check it out without buying anything. I’ll post my current calibration file so anyone can load it on a similar setup and it should run great, or just to check it out - https://acesefi.com/pages/software There are some complaints and truth that it can be hard to get ahold of Aces support, but realize they are a small company that is growing fast. When I have spoken to their staff, they have been helpful. I would recommend Aces to anyone that wants a cleaner, faster swap and to those that might be a little less savy with wiring and tuning.

Let me know if you have any questions I can help with.

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Edit - well, the file won't attach - message me if you want it.

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More spark!

After getting the Deuces Wild installed and running, I could tell more timing control would get it to run better. I decided to get the Aces High Roller kit – which is a CDI box, coil and wiring harness for just $140 (I bought 2 so shipping was free). Looking at the specs, it fires the plugs more times per revolution with more energy than MSD and other CDI boxes, so I figured it was worth a shot. Just to state it – you do not need the CDI, the Aces ECM will run the motor with just an Aces remote coil ($50), the connector is part of the harness the ECM comes with. Either option requires a conversion from the in-cap coil to a remote one. FAST sells a kit, which is just a brass post and made to fit plug wire $57. I will be looking for another option but this got it done fast…

FAST GM HEI Coil In Cap Conversion Kits 730-0590

https://www.summitracing.co...chMV4tk6qmIFom5wA21.


I looked at the crowed engine bay and decided it was time for some arts and crafts, so grabbed some steel to make a strut tower brace that I could mount the CDI box and remote coil to. The bar I used was the center of the strut brace from the donor Cadillac Deville.

I will be fine tuning the next couple of weeks, and I’ll share the calibration file when I think it done or as good as I can get without being a tuner. Hope these posts helps someone…



























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