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1987 Fiero GT 3800sc swap with an engine from a 1998 Grand Prix GTP by VROOMZ28
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I purchased a 1987 Pontiac Fiero GT with 63,699 miles this past November (2019) and have been restoring and upgrading the car. I will be swapping the 2.8L for a supercharged 3.8L engine from a 1998 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP. I’ll try to do my best to document by restomod and engine swap as I go through. I have been inspired and informed by the others who have don the swap and have offered they build lists, and experiences. I have found The posts. And YouTube videos by “Lostbutnotforgotten” and “AustinH” extremely helpful in my planning and preparation.

My engine build is going to consist of a 1998 L67 3.8L supercharged engine from a Pontiac Grand Prix. I’m going to add the following items /modifications to increase power:

Gen V M90 supercharger and intake manifold from a 2004-2008 Grand Prix GTP L32 engine
ZZP Stage 2.5 Intercooler
ZZP XP (hot cam) performance camshaft
CompCam 136lb conical valve springs
Cylinder Head porting and polishing
ZZP Power logs exhaust manifolds
Smaller supercharger pulley
And a few other items I will detail as continue on..

The car has almost no rust, but the paint has clear coat separation and no clear coat at all on the top surfaces. The interior is in good shape for a 32 years old car, and the car is compete with all the original parts and no damage history. The car has only had a few owners, and stayed here locally all its life. The major issue with the 87 GT, was it wasn’t running when I purchased it. It had been sitting for at least two years. Two owners ago, the car developed a “rod knock” and stopped being driven. The car engine was worked on with the oil pan removed and the connecting rod nuts taken off. This owner lost some of the parts and gave up on trying to fix the car, and sold the car.

The next owner, bought all the parts that were missing, but didn’t have the time or energy to fix the poor Fiero. It sat in a carport for almost two years, where I ended up buying the car. I was able to put in a new battery, put the engine back together, and get the thing started. I was just checking to see if the starter would crank and possibly get the engine to turn over, and was shocked when it started right up! The car had been sitting for years, and in less than week, I was able to get the car started. The engine didn’t sound the best, but it idled good and would move under it’s own power. Pretty good for a little effort and time.



Here are some pictures of the car when I first saw it.





You can see the video of me bringing the Fiero home and my wife’s reaction here:

https://youtu.be/1Oz8a4xM7Ag?si=7KMU4eh5Y5fryl67

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Good luck with the build, and welcome to the Forum!

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First step... deep cleaning years of dirt and grime





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Next, replace and upgrade the rusty, nasty, seized up braking system, and drain, refill, and bleed the lines.

The back brakes are going to be replaced with drilled and slotted rotors, but I will be using remanufactured stock 1987 calipers.

For the front brakes, I am replacing the hubs, rotors, and calipers using the vented brake upgrade kit from the Fiero store:

https://www.fierostore.com/...px?s=56004&d=379&p=1













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https://youtu.be/1Oz8a4xM7Ag


Buying my 1987 Pontiac Fiero GT

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The 3800sc Donor Car! (January 11th 2020)

Once I had the brakes working, It was time to start swapping the engine. I found a one owner, 1998 Grand Prix GTP that had 190,000km (118k miles), in Macon, Georgia. The owner bought the Grand Prix new in 1998 in Canada and drove it down to Georgia. The car had been in amazing condition, had all maintenance records kept, oils changed regularly, and looked in almost new condition when his 17 year old son was hit in the front (from the side) by a F150 that missed a turn. The car was totaled, but the engine was very usable, except for a broken front cylinder head.







I bought the crashed car for $800 and loaded it up on a trailer… I drove it the 2.5 hours home to Alabama and took it home. The next day I took the donor car to a rented storage building where I was going to cut the crashed front away from the engine, and pull the entire front cradle (subframe) with the engine, transmission, harness, computer, and driveshafts. Having everything I could off the car ended up being a huge blessing later on since I had axles to make custom driveshafts with, and the harness and computer to modify and transplant into my Fiero.









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Pulling the 1998 L67 3800sc Engine (January 17th, 2020)

Once I had the engine, transmission, Engine harness, computer, axles, spare nuts, bolts, screws, and all the other stuff I wanted from the donor car, I put it up for sale. The interior was in great shape, and I was able to sale the body, interior and rest of the care for $200. So the engine for the swap ended up only costing $600, plus the expenses for storing and trailering the car home.



I brought the Engine, Trans, and other stuff to my home garage.



I was going to do a partial rebuild of the engine and began to disassemble it down to the short-block. It was a good running engine so I wasn’t going to mess with the block, pistons, crankshaft, or any of the bearings. I found someone on FaceBook that had a set of 3800sc heads sitting in his garage that I’d be able to use to replace the cracked head.









I cleaned up the engine block and gathered up all the parts I was going to use to rebuild and modify the 240hp 1998 3800sc L67 3.8L Supercharged engine. I purchased an Eaton M90 Gen V supercharger that would give me 20 addition horspower. I bought ARP studs, stainless steel valve springs, LS4 Lifter, and a ZZP XP Cam.

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This swap has been well documented on here, there's all the info you need on here.

Your are doing this right, the 3800's are finicky with rebuilding, unless you do not have to get into the bearings and pistons, do NOT take the short block apart. google 3800 Rebuilds, the VAST majority of failures are ones that were rebuild.
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Originally posted by VROOMZ28:

The car was totaled, but the engine was very usable, except for a broken front cylinder head.



I had no idea that a head (other than the driver's or passenger's!) could be damaged in an accident... but yeah, that head is definitely cracked!
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Rebuilding the Supercharged 3.8L L67 Engine (January-May 2020)

From January thru May 2020, I disassembled the engine to the small-block, and cleaned it up, acquired some good (but dirty) 3800sc heads from Larry Curchoe, and sent them off to my local machine shop (Piltcher Automotive), went on a shopping spree at ZZP, RockAuto, Summit, JEGS, Amazon, Ebay Motors, Intense Performance and a few other places. This was where I went a bit overboard, and went with my dream build for the 3800sc.


My Mechanic, Logan

My 1987 Fiero GT will get the following upgrades:

1998 Grand Prix GTP 3.8L Supercharged Engine
3800sc Series II
Engine was from a one owner donor vehicle
Partial engine rebuild
Painted with Eastwood’s 2K urethane ceramic engine paint
Upgraded to an Eaton M90 Gen V supercharger
ZZP Stage 2.5 Intercooler
3.4” Supercharger Pulley
Cadillac Northstar Throttle-body Swap and ZZP Adapter
ZZP (CompCam) XP high performance camshaft
Modified heads with 136lb valve springs, ARP Studs
LS7 Hydraulic Lifter
ZZP Stainless Steel Valves
Jet-Hot ceramic coated ZZP PowerLogs (front and rear)
Jet-Hot coated crossover tube with DEI Titanium exhaust wrap
Flowmaster 3” high flow catalytic converter
Custom 3” stainless steel exhaust to muffler
FlowTech Afterburner Muffler 5036FLT (3” inlet 2 x 2.5” outlets)
Dual 2.5” stainless steel exhaust to C6 dual tips


1987 Fiero GT Engine Upgrades

1998 Grand Prix GTP 3.8L Supercharged Engine
3800sc Series II
Engine was from a one owner donor vehicle
Partial engine rebuild
Painted with Eastwood’s 2K urethane ceramic engine paint ( https://amzn.to/3r2zc69 )
Upgraded to an Eaton M90 Gen V supercharger
ZZP Stage 2.5 Intercooler
3.4” Supercharger Pulley
Cadillac Northstar Throttle-body Swap and ZZP Adapter
ZZP (CompCam) XP high performance camshaft
Modified heads with 136lb valve springs, ARP Studs
LS7 Hydraulic Lifter
ZZP Stainless Steel Valves
Jet-Hot ceramic coated ZZP PowerLogs (front and rear)
Jet-Hot coated crossover tube with DEI Titanium exhaust wrap
Flowmaster 3” high flow catalytic converter
Custom 3” stainless steel exhaust to muffler
FlowTech Afterburner Muffler 5036FLT (3” inlet 2 x 2.5” outlets)
Dual 2.5” stainless steel exhaust to C6 dual tips


New and improved high-flow water pump


Champion 3-core Radiator


ZZP 3800sc “Power Logs” stainless steel exhaust manifolds, sent off to JetHott for ceramic coating.


ZZP XP Cam, CompCam LS7 Lifters, CompCam 90# Valve Springs, Rollmaster Double Roller Timing Chain


Eaton M90 Gen V Supercharger that has improvements and adds 20hp vs the Gen III M90


New lower intake manifold for the Gen V M90 Supercharger


replacement 3800sc cylinder heads after coming back from the machine shop (Piltcher Automotive) and getting the new ZZP stainless steel valves.


Cylinder Heads from the machine shop with CompCam 90# Valve Springs and new seals/retainers


redone heads mounted on the engine with the oil pump, water pump, and parts going back on the engine. Its a great feeling when you start putting stuff back on and making the engine look new again.

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Rebuilding the Eaton M90 Gen V Supercharger and Painting the Supercharger and valve covers (March 2020)

I had spent months scouring the internet looking at the best looking 3800sc engines. I definitely liked “Skitime’s” 3800sc engine and lots of the other stuff he did to his 1988 T-top GT. I wanted to look like his engine, but I also wanted to improve on the look and design, as well as incorporate everything else I saw and liked.

Skitimes 3800sc Engine and Decklid Window & Vent



I saw Skitimes build, and said that’s what I want my car to look like

So once I knew what I wanted to do to the supercharger, I set out to rebuild, machine down and smooth, and paint my M90 Gen V.



I used a pneumatic rotary tool to grind and sand down the rough casting of the supercharger

NOTE: DO NOT CLEAN THE SUPERCHARGER ROTOR!!! IT WILL REMOVE THE SPECIAL COATING!

I cleaned the supercharger inside and rotors with brake cleaner, and ruined the rotors by removing the special coating. Don’t clean the rotors, it was a huge mistake that I realized after.


Supercharger Rotors cleaned, but now ruined with black coating removed

Cleaned inside the supercharger

Once the supercharger was cleaned, and the rough casting smoothed out, I used automotive engine primer/filler to prepare the surface for paint. I primered, then sanded, then primered again. I used glaze and filler to fill in some of the pits in the aluminum.

Once the supercharger was smooth and I was happy with it, I activated my Red, Eastwood 2K Aerospray Urethane Ceramic Engine Paint. I wanted my engine to look great, and I knew using two-part Urethane paint would look 1000 times better then the cheap auto parts store spray-paint. The results from the Eastwood 2K Ceramic Engine Paint speak for themselves.


Painted with Eastwood’s 2K urethane ceramic engine paint ( https://amzn.to/3r2zc69 )






For the valve covers, I painted the aluminum color first, then masked the stripes, and painted the red. Once I removed the masking tape, I was left with the results above.





I reassembled the supercharger and added new AC Delco supercharger oil




I was very happy with the results! I let the paint cure fully for several days before I really handled it or added the silver pinstripes to the supercharger ribs. I handled the freshly painted parts with latex gloves, but the 2K paint felt dry to the touch after a couple hours.

I was able to purchase a “New Old Stock” supercharger rotor from ZZP that had the coating on it. The coating and the improved lower intake manifold are the reason the Gen V M90 makes 20 additional horsepower.




The 3800 seres III lower intake manifold from a L32 2005 Grand Prix GTP


ZZP Full Stack Intercooler for the Series III 3800sc




Test fitting the parts on the engine, and “Oh Man” does it look amazing. I’m so happy with the way the engine is going back together and its looking great.

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Welcome aboard!

I am enjoying your detailed description on your build and progress.

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FYI, GM has approved Mobil 1 full synthetic oil as a replacement for the supercharger oil....
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Very nice.
For reference for others here were my 3800 swap instructions.

Instructions - https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/139530.html
Youtube Swap Playlist - https://www.youtube.com/pla...IM_4I2qJnkff2RlPWB_O

Cheers!
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