hey everyone, question for you guru's....on a hypothetical note, in the search to build an absolute beast of a Fiero for both track and daily driving/street racing...i was chatting with some ecotec guys, long story short they got into LSX engines with the Fiero. Ive been searching for a way to make the Fiero AWD for a while but no such kit or tranny exists that would be good...the only way to make some nice power while getting AWD on these cars seems to be mounting an engine in the front of the car and using an longitudinal tranny...say like an LSX engine mated with an AWD tremec.
1) OBV this would be a crazy job...but lets talk it out! The main thing im curious to know would be....how hard the tunnelling would be to allow the tremec tranny to fit under the car...take out the Fiero gas tank, i assume cut the front firewall and such...its possible yeah?
2) What do you guys think the weight distribution would be like??? would it be completely worse than a mid-engine LSX swap??? Or maybe not? Gas tank...battery diff and all that would be in the back...but i dont know.
In a perfect world later in life i might wanna try this swap with an LS9 mated with an AWD tremec...i have some awesome fabricator friends who are willing to help and all the aftermarket support is there for a stand alone LS9...and i know the tremec will bolt to it just fine so...just wondering from u Fiero gurus if installing the tremec would be do-able in the Fiero spaceframe, as well as how bad the weight distribution (or better *fingers crossed*) would be. I know Boomtastic has a V8 in the front of his car, but he has an all tube frame...totally diff. Id still like to use the Fiero frame. pls discuss!
You don't really NEED AWD to lay down good times- tho it does make the car easier to drive- In accel the real difference between MR and AWD is 0-30...After that, the AWD system doesn't really have a big advantage in Accel....It does help make the care more consistantly neutral. Look at the Vette- F(M)R and it just kills most other cars, including the GT-R. 90% of a cars (Good) performance is directly attributable to set-up...Do it right and your car will lay down better lap times than cars with more power and bigger tires.....Conversly, do it wrong, and it doesn't matter how much power you have- Case in point, most lap time comparisons between the BOSS302 LS and the GT500 show the Boss burning the much more powerful "Shelby" down.
The only way to get the Fiero AWD without butchering the car, is to install an electric motor up front driving the front wheels- that only runs during accel and maybe torque vector during turns- Don't ask me how to set up the electronic control for the torque-vectoring, tho!
Remember that the Fiero is relatively light- Yes, back in the 80s the mags complained non-stop about it being over weight- but A) The 1st gen MR2 they compared it to couldn't handle 4-500 hp V8 power, and the 2nd gen MR2 weighs as much or more(engine-for-engine)....And B) all the new cars are loaded with "Safety" equipment and weigh more- I'd rather have the weight in the structure- and as anyone will tell you, the Fiero is a very strong chassis....You may not have a ballon explode in your face during a collision, but the structure is dang good.
You install a LS4- Modded to 400+ hp, and you have a HP/weigh ratio similar to a C6 Z06
An engine in the front of a Fiero has been done. Not with an AWD diff though.
But you don't need to put the engine in front to get AWD. Just look at the Murcielago, Veyron, etc…
Or a 911. You could do a rear engined conversion too, but an LSx would probably be a little long, even with the trunk removed.
Personally, if I were going to build an AWD Fiero, I'd be looking at hybrid drive solutions, or getting a custom trans made that is a hybrid of something like the Nissan RB AWD trans, and an Audi trans. An LSx might be a bit long to do it without a stretch though. The main problem with doing a rear mid engine AWD in the Fiero, is mostly the fact that it's transverse, so the rear axles are relatively close to the cabin.
Another option would be a custom transfer case for the F40 trans, that could drive a forward shaft to a front diff. Main trouble here would be clearing the engine, so would require a fancy bit of engineering to get it turning a diff up front, and in a reliable way that can handle lots of power, without snapping in half and swinging around to cut a giant hole through the engine.
Hey guys, thanks for your replies, i really appreciate your 2 cents and expertise.
You guys make good points, i hadn't looked at an electronic hybrid trans up front. Ill look more into that, i didnt really wanna switch to a longitudinal engine in the rear bcc it will throw more weight behind the tires and remove my trunk area (which is where my guitar stuff goes lol) and as you said...a correctly setup car can have faster lap times than a poor setup with more power...i know what im suggesting is defying the layout of the Fiero....but i dont wanna butcher the car like u said.
Dobey u said that a front engine Fiero has been done, besides boomtastic, do u know anyone else who did it KINDA like i want? minus the AWD? i just wanna know how much work it will be to tunnel for the longitudinal tranny. And then in turn...how having a front engine Fiero will effect weight distribution...im hoping it doesnt like push the car to 80/30 front to rear or anything...that would be bad.
Is the f40 the tranny of choice with mid-engine v8 swaps???
Also it was mentioned that i could do a ls4 modded to 400+ hp, shouldnt i just throw in a stand alone ls9 with 638??? (thats why i want the ls9...more lol)
I may not be totally correct in my assumption, but I think the basic LS4 engine is easier to mount in a Fiero because it was designed for transverse mounting- It has the correct trans bolt pattern, is slightly shorter, etc.....Yet, I believe it has the LS6 heads, so it has a lot of potential- Dobey is the one to talk to on this. Basically, if you're not in CA you can take the LS4 and go crazy- In CA, you have to be careful not to upset the Smog nazis....
Believe me- You will definitely think you have a stick of dynomite behind your back with 400HP in a 2700 lb car....The traction/weight ratio is very good......And I suspect you can pull a lot more out of it if you want to do the work...And spend a few dollars. Another thing to consider- Car guys always talk of HP/weight ratio....But I can tell you that a 2000 lb car will get around a track faster than a 4000 lb car- everything else being basically equal...
And unsprung weight will make a huge difference- Try for the lightest wheels(And tires) you can go with- too many people today are going for looks above all else- 19s- and even 18s, will add a lot of rotational mass to your car- I went from 15s weighing 39/40 to 16s that are at 33/36(with tires)....The quality VOXX wheels were actually substantially lighter than the crappy old 15s...But if I'd gone to 17s, no matter which wheel I went with, I would have gained weight.....As it is, I cannot begin to discribe what a difference the weight loss made- The car was noticably faster, the steering felt better- the car just came alive.......You can get some pretty light 17s now, so that will work, but going to 18s, your either going to gain a lot of weight, or your gonna have a much lighter bank.....
And the best answer, install a second engine and second transmission. It was done on one of my all time favorites, the Olds Toronado. 850 total cubic inches, for an estimated 850 horsepower. Toronados
And the best answer, install a second engine and second transmission. It was done on one of my all time favorites, the Olds Toronado. 850 total cubic inches, for an estimated 850 horsepower. Toronados
Just make sure you have both tranys in forward....unless you want the ultimate burn-out!
I may not be totally correct in my assumption, but I think the basic LS4 engine is easier to mount in a Fiero because it was designed for transverse mounting- It has the correct trans bolt pattern, is slightly shorter, etc.....Yet, I believe it has the LS6 heads, so it has a lot of potential- Dobey is the one to talk to on this. Basically, if you're not in CA you can take the LS4 and go crazy- In CA, you have to be careful not to upset the Smog nazis....
Believe me- You will definitely think you have a stick of dynomite behind your back with 400HP in a 2700 lb car....The traction/weight ratio is very good......And I suspect you can pull a lot more out of it if you want to do the work...And spend a few dollars. Another thing to consider- Car guys always talk of HP/weight ratio....But I can tell you that a 2000 lb car will get around a track faster than a 4000 lb car- everything else being basically equal...
And unsprung weight will make a huge difference- Try for the lightest wheels(And tires) you can go with- too many people today are going for looks above all else- 19s- and even 18s, will add a lot of rotational mass to your car- I went from 15s weighing 39/40 to 16s that are at 33/36(with tires)....The quality VOXX wheels were actually substantially lighter than the crappy old 15s...But if I'd gone to 17s, no matter which wheel I went with, I would have gained weight.....As it is, I cannot begin to discribe what a difference the weight loss made- The car was noticably faster, the steering felt better- the car just came alive.......You can get some pretty light 17s now, so that will work, but going to 18s, your either going to gain a lot of weight, or your gonna have a much lighter bank.....
Yeah it makes sense since the LS4 was transversly mounted,...if i went with mid-engine i would probably do that. (doesnt Fiero X use an LS4???)
I dont want to use a second engine and tranny...just one engine.
Also i need to go to 18's according to Steven snyder for the best handling for my current weight and HP setup with my turbo ecotec. I understand what u are saying about unsprung weight though yeah. Thank you for the tips. Ill look more into the ls4 too.
Does anyone here know what it would take to tunnel a Fiero for a front engine setup??? Thats the real question i want answered.
I think this topic is fairly unrealistic but hypotheticals are always fun to discuss so here are my ideas on it.
To do the front engine LS9 is probably not the way to go about. I don't have any measurements to go on so everything from this point on is completely made up and probably totally wrong. A good example of a longitudinal, front engine, rear or awd with LS engine is the Trailblazer SS. It has an LS2 with a 4l70 tranny and were either rwd or awd. The awd trannys had transfer case on the back of them that then sent the power back to the front via a small drive shaft paralleling the transfer case and transmission. This drive shaft went up to another transfer case bolted to the drivers side of the engine. To replicate this design could be done with enough chopping on anything. However, it would take a ton in a Fiero. The engine with the transfer case beside it is fairly wide all the way down due to the transfer case. One very interesting thing about the setup though, and I'll mention this again in a bit, is the front axles intermediate shaft went through the oil pan. There was a cv joint on either side of the engine where the axles out to the hubs came from. So issues with the setup. The first is if the transmission would even fit, which I highly doubt going off my memory of picking one up vs picking up the fiero gas tank. The second is even if the tranny fit, the transfer case is very wide and the front driveshaft coming off of it as well as the transfer case itself would be sticking into the driver's side foot well by a foot or more. I guess that isn't an issue if you don't mind not being able to step on the any of the pedals, lol. A third issue is the front spindles. You would have to come up with some spindles that have a hub for the axles to pass through that would fit in the fiero's wheel well. I'm sure you could get any number of FWD cars to fit with some work and then have them modified to accept the axles. The rear end would be easy since you would have a ton of room to put any standard RWD axle back there. Just figure how to mount it and all that which wouldn't be bad. Of course it would be a live axle. As far as weight distribution on this setup, or any front engine longitudinal awd set up, I would guess it would be pretty bad. There quite a bit of weight in the front of a Fiero, all things considered, and adding a motor in front of the front axle would probably be pretty bad. I'm sure there are many more issues with this setup, but these are just a few that don't even address getting the motor to mount into the front of the car.
Another way to do a front engine awd would be get a car that is already set up like that and swap it over. I don't think GM has any awd cars, but they do have awd minivans and small crossovers such as the Saturn Vue and Pontiac Vibe. I imagine this would be the most practical method of front engine awd other than electric motors up front. The drive line is even centered nicely so it would run right down the gas tank cavity perfectly. They even have an IRS set up on these cars so you wouldn't need to run a live axle on the rear. As far as putting a V8 in there I couldn't say as I haven't researched v8 swapped minivans recently. I imagine an LS4 could be attached to it all with out too much difficulty. But I wouldn't guess there would be much room for anythign up there. With either of the front engine setups you would have to do something with the hood too since it sits so low compared to everything else.
If you wanted to do a rear engine LS4 with the standard sideways engine of the fiero I think you can put the awd trailblazers oil pan on it. From there it would be taking one of the previously mentioned front engine awd setups and getting the transfer case and tranny from it. From there you would have to get creative. Could you simply flip the transfer case over and point it to the front instead of the rear? I doubt it but with an adapter maybe. would it line up with the hole in the trailblazers oil pan? Also probably not but would be sweet if it did! At that point the driveshaft would be spinning the wrong way too so you would have to have a way to reverse that in the differential up front. Maybe just run the rear differential from the same car and flip it over. Would the flipped transfer case with the flipped differential result in the correct rotational direction? I don't know. Another possibility would be to flip the tranny over. Have it mounted on the front, referencing the front of the car. It would be upside down so would need a lot of work to figure out how to lubricate it, but I have seen other transmissions that were flipped for one reason or another that had that issue resolved. You would then need to get everything centered in the the engine bay to line up the rear axles and this would shift the weight of the engine behind the axles so you would actually have a rear engine car instead of a mid engine. The weight shift may be offset though with the added front weight from the differential and axles added up there. With either way you would still need to do all the work on the front spindles and such to run axles up there.
I think if everything lined up right an, LS4 with the TBSS oil pan and flipped transfer case would be pretty sweet on the just because I can level while still remaining true, relatively, to the Fiero form.
I'm tired so everything I wrote is complete hogwash and probably doesn't even make sense.
If you really wanted to do the longitudinal front engine setup you could try doing the Porsche type tranny to get the drive axles as close to the engine as you could, but even with that set up the front of your engine would be about where the front of the bumper is.
Yeah i think your right, the ls9 wont fit up front...id have to do something crazy with the hood. Lets scrap the idea of front engine awd, and look at LSX RWD mid-engine
What tranny's are ppl using for a simple RWD V8??? the f40? Do u guys think an LS9 would fit in the rear in mid engine format???
Yeah i think your right, the ls9 wont fit up front...id have to do something crazy with the hood. Lets scrap the idea of front engine awd, and look at LSX RWD mid-engine
What tranny's are ppl using for a simple RWD V8??? the f40? Do u guys think an LS9 would fit in the rear in mid engine format???
Yes, an LS9 will fit, in either location. There's an LS7 with Eldebrock blower in a Fiero.
The F40 is the transverse manual to use. You'll need Archie's kit to use an LS9 or such.
The LS4 fits very nicely, but can get quite complicated when you want to deviate from the stock configuration of it. If you want an LS4, sticking with the 4t65e it comes mated to would be the easiest to do. Going manual requires modifying the bell housing of the trans to mount a starter, and finding the right flywheel/clutch combination to make it work, and tuning the ECM to handle it. The LS4 does have the same 243 heads as the LS6, but the larger bore heads are much better. If you want ridiculous power numbers, then the later heads for the large bore engines would be a better choice.
Or why bother with a Gen IV engine at all? Just go with a Gen V engine. All the Gen V engines have direct injection, AFM, and VVT.
Always wanted to do a 6000 "STE" wagon with AWD and a 3800.....It'd be a real sleeper....
It's too bad that the Gen V isn't made in LS4/Transverse style- the extra tech is a real step up.
One other, slightly crazy possibility for AWD is to take a transverse engine/trany, and turn it 90* so the two output shafts face fore and aft, then a diff front & rear with a driveshaft to the remote one. The fuel tank is in the way, and it would probably require lengthening the chassis to put the rear axle far enough back to make room for the diff.
Yes, an LS9 will fit, in either location. There's an LS7 with Eldebrock blower in a Fiero.
The F40 is the transverse manual to use. You'll need Archie's kit to use an LS9 or such.
The LS4 fits very nicely, but can get quite complicated when you want to deviate from the stock configuration of it. If you want an LS4, sticking with the 4t65e it comes mated to would be the easiest to do. Going manual requires modifying the bell housing of the trans to mount a starter, and finding the right flywheel/clutch combination to make it work, and tuning the ECM to handle it. The LS4 does have the same 243 heads as the LS6, but the larger bore heads are much better. If you want ridiculous power numbers, then the later heads for the large bore engines would be a better choice.
Or why bother with a Gen IV engine at all? Just go with a Gen V engine. All the Gen V engines have direct injection, AFM, and VVT.
Sweet!! So what u are saying dobey, is that an lS9 will fit in either the front or rear??? So if i really wanted to. I can install an LS9 engine up front? how hard is it to tunnel for the longitudinal tranny??? Dobey are u saying this is all possible???
Sweet!! So what u are saying dobey, is that an lS9 will fit in either the front or rear??? So if i really wanted to. I can install an LS9 engine up front? how hard is it to tunnel for the longitudinal tranny??? Dobey are u saying this is all possible???
Yes, it's possible. It just requires money and engineering.
Currently been looking into a blown big block or a Butler engine. I really want to go with a Pontiac but the damn things cost a fortune AND your 1st born to build one. If I do go with a Pontiac engine it won't be blown. A blower manifold for a Pontiac just sold on Ebay for over $1600.00.
Okay, im gonna talk to my fabricator and let him take a look at the car and see what needs to be done. This is exciting....imagine a ls9 AWD Fiero...*drools*
All the LS motors are basically same externally, within the same generation and excluding the ls4. The LS9 is basically an ls3 with a blower on top. The cool part about the motor is the blower itself and how low it all sits. Not much taller than the heads.If you want a real beast of a motor build an ls7 and put that blower on top.
I don't think the Syclone or Typhoon setup would work for the same reason as the TBSS. They have a transfer case with a driveshaft going back to the front that would be in the driver's side foot well.
Thunderstruck GT, can you post some pictures of the hood open on that car and also the center tunnel inside the car? That motor is sitting way back to the rear and looks like it would still have some decent balance. I see some sheet metal in the wheel well so I assume you basically cut out the entire front bulkhead and built from scratch? What motor is that also?
Running a motor placement like on Thunderstruck's car would require you to run a driveshaft back to a front differential that would actually be in front of the motor due to the motor being mounted so far back in the chassis. I don't think any AWD system would work in a fiero with that configuration. Although I suppose you could cut into the passenger side foot well and put the driveshaft on that side.
Originally posted by mr_corean: All the LS motors are basically same externally, within the same generation and excluding the ls4. The LS9 is basically an ls3 with a blower on top. The cool part about the motor is the blower itself and how low it all sits. Not much taller than the heads.If you want a real beast of a motor build an ls7 and put that blower on top.
LS9 blower won't fit LS7 heads. The LS7 heads are unique. You need an aftermarket blower made specifically for the LS7 heads.
Originally posted by mr_corean: Thunderstruck GT, can you post some pictures of the hood open on that car and also the center tunnel inside the car? That motor is sitting way back to the rear and looks like it would still have some decent balance. I see some sheet metal in the wheel well so I assume you basically cut out the entire front bulkhead and built from scratch? What motor is that also?
I sent this to 4th. It'll apply here as well................
"No more photos and I can't get anymore at the present time but there may be a slim chance this weekend.
It is a full chrome moly tube chassis. The original space frame was cut off below the windshield and back glass. The tube chassis runs along the sides where the coolant tubes normally run, this allows the car to sit at factory height. There was some minor trimming to what would be the firewall on a normal car so that the engine could sit back a tad. The distributor is under the base of the windshield. The Turbo 350 tranny fits in the original tunnel that use to house the fuel tank. There is a fuel cell in the back where the engine use to be. Interior basically appears stock right down to the power windows."
I will add.........
It has a 468 BBC and it is nose heavy. I never weighed it so I don't know what the bias or the total is but I know it's nose heavy. The rear is a Ford 9" hung by a 4 link and coil overs. The front is currently tubular A arm with coil overs but will be getting struts when it gets its new engine.
If you want to keep it close to mid engine and AWD... install the engine longitudinal in the rear (accessories to the back - transmission and AWD diff in the center of the car). The diffs on both ends would need flipped over to keep the car moving in the right direction. Nice thing with this setup is the drive shafts run down the passenger side, so they can give up any and all needed floor space and the Driver side remains mostly stock with plenty of room for all 3 pedals (if your are going to build it, might as well be a 6 speed manual!). Something like this, but with a Fiero body:
If you just want to have a lot of fun in 2wd form... build a C5 in Fiero clothing. Insert this: Under this: C5 wheel base is 104.5 and Fiero 93.4. So just slide the front suspension back 11" so it is under the engine, then mod the fiero chassis as needed to install motor, torque tube, rear transmission, front & rear suspension, brakes, and ABS (even do the interior as well!)... you might end up with a lighter/shorter version of a C5 that looks like a wide body fiero. With some luck and specific component placement, you might be able to keep it very close to 50/50 weight distribution. You could do it whatever LS motor you wanted at whatever power level and even have a very durable 6 speed manual.
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I sent this to 4th. It'll apply here as well................
"No more photos and I can't get anymore at the present time but there may be a slim chance this weekend.
It is a full chrome moly tube chassis. The original space frame was cut off below the windshield and back glass. The tube chassis runs along the sides where the coolant tubes normally run, this allows the car to sit at factory height. There was some minor trimming to what would be the firewall on a normal car so that the engine could sit back a tad. The distributor is under the base of the windshield. The Turbo 350 tranny fits in the original tunnel that use to house the fuel tank. There is a fuel cell in the back where the engine use to be. Interior basically appears stock right down to the power windows."
I will add.........
It has a 468 BBC and it is nose heavy. I never weighed it so I don't know what the bias or the total is but I know it's nose heavy. The rear is a Ford 9" hung by a 4 link and coil overs. The front is currently tubular A arm with coil overs but will be getting struts when it gets its new engine.
Do you know how Nose heavy it is???? Could i do some more "trimming" and allow the engine to sit back further??? I took a google under the hood of a ZR1 Corvette, almost looks like 1/4 to 2/4 of the engine is under the front windshield. And its Weight distributions seems to be 51/48 (nice) Do you guys think that can be achieved with a bit more fabricating???
Originally posted by 4thfiero: Do you know how Nose heavy it is???? Could i do some more "trimming" and allow the engine to sit back further??? I took a google under the hood of a ZR1 Corvette, almost looks like 1/4 to 2/4 of the engine is under the front windshield. And its Weight distributions seems to be 51/48 (nice) Do you guys think that can be achieved with a bit more fabricating???
The engine in the C6 is lower, and further back, than in the C5, FWIW. But yes, with enough fabrication, you should be able to do almost anything. If you use a torque tube with the Corvette trans in the rear, it will also help keep the balance. The front engine swaps so far are all using transmissions hanging off the engine, which puts more weight up front.
If you could get a custom length torque tube made, it would also be possible to decrease the distance between the engine and transaxle, for using the Vette drivetrain in a Fiero.
I'm pretty sure there was a build for the grassroots challenge 2010 or something, that was a twin engine fiero. Two separate engines and transmissions. There's some links on here somewhere. If I remember they used bmw awd front suspension and I think the front engine was an electric or hybrid?
The engine in the C6 is lower, and further back, than in the C5, FWIW. But yes, with enough fabrication, you should be able to do almost anything. If you use a torque tube with the Corvette trans in the rear, it will also help keep the balance. The front engine swaps so far are all using transmissions hanging off the engine, which puts more weight up front.
If you could get a custom length torque tube made, it would also be possible to decrease the distance between the engine and transaxle, for using the Vette drivetrain in a Fiero.
Yes Thunder, thats true. I guess yours would weigh a lot more than a modern engine.
Dobey thats a great idea!!! I didnt know the corvette drivetrain worked like that...with a torque tube and tranny in the back. Why hasn't anyone else done this? This seems like the answer, i wont get AWD but thats okay.
So basically...LS9 comes with its own stand alone ecu system, so wiring wont be an issue...obv i need custom fabing for mounts and actually fitting the engine in the front of the car...then i assume i need custom suspension up front, (and a corvette steering rack) Custom torque tube, more custom mounts for the tranny in the rear, custom fuel system...but then done??? I guess i need custom axles or hubs too.
What's required in my opinion is a turbo charged LSX motor with the Porsche G50-52 getrag transmission. The same setup as in the ultima GTR but in a fiero. There will be a small amount of engine intrusion into the cabin. I think it would be minimal enough as to not make the car so small to not fit two people. You would have to set the engine and transmission back so that the axle centerline of the transmission is behind the axle centerline of the hubs. The sandrail guys run with like 24 degrees of axle angle to support their tall suspensions. Rather than 24 degrees down, swing the axles 24 degrees forward. That would reduce the overall engine encroachment into the cabin.
Cool pics, the issue with that though is that im pretty tall? and i fit JUST right in the Fiero with the seat all the way back, i cant have engine intrusion in the rear of the car. Plus that setup would either put my wheels farther back or the engine further in my cabin...either way doesnt work. I wanna keep the same wheelbase.
Looks like doing a C6 setup is the way to go. Even the rumored C8 mid engine looks to change the wheelbase of the Fiero if installed...the transverse engine bay of the Fiero just isnt long enough for a longitudinal.
Cool pics, the issue with that though is that im pretty tall? and i fit JUST right in the Fiero with the seat all the way back, i cant have engine intrusion in the rear of the car. Plus that setup would either put my wheels farther back or the engine further in my cabin...either way doesnt work. I wanna keep the same wheelbase.
Looks like doing a C6 setup is the way to go. Even the rumored C8 mid engine looks to change the wheelbase of the Fiero if installed...the transverse engine bay of the Fiero just isnt long enough for a longitudinal.
I'd say if you want a Fiero, keep the engine in the rear, and if you want a Corvette, just buy a Corvette. It'll be cheaper than fitting it all in a Fiero anyway.
At least then it wouldn't perpetuate the bad reputation Fieros have as being only good for cutting up (which you'll be doing plenty of to fit a Corvette drivetrain in).
You think ill spend the amount of a corvette ZR1 to install the c6 drivetrain?
If i were to leave it in the rear, i would go transverse with some kinda super awesome tranny....like a hollinger. Those are expensive, but they wont break. With the LS9 of course.
I see your point dobey about Fiero's only being good for cutting up...which is why i wanted to know how much cutting i would have to do to fit a front engine in. I dont want that rep either....but i also like having a unique car...a ls9 up front would be awesome...and POSSIBLY better balanced depending on the install i guess.
Does anyone know what "build" Fiero X uses...his Fiero is FAST
