Before I go and do something really stupid and time consuming can a transmission just go out like that or could it be some kind of connection that is bad? It was running fine and then it started to run slow and then it went out. There is nothing in any gear and it acts like it is in neutral at all times except in park. I am really hoping someone can give me some advice as to what it could be or what I should do. Thanks Pat
check fluid level. If low will "kill" the trans. look for leaks.
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The fluid level is good and the fluid looks fine. I keep hoping it is some kind of electrical connection. The shifter is operating back and forth like it should be. Thanks Pat
So how would you go about determining if it could just be plugged? if I changed the filter would I need to also try and blow out a line? Is it possible that ant electrical connection could be causing the problem? Thanks, Pat
The electrical connection is basically there just to activate the TCC. With the electrical connection unplugged the transmission will still function but will slip a bit in 3rd gear.
I will keep checking the posts for more information about what to do. I will put in the new filter but I am mentally prepared to change out the transmission. I just wish it could be done without taking out the engine! Thank you all again for any advice and help.
Didn't see anyone post this, pull the dipstick out dipsht, give it a smell, if it smells like burnt Almonds or is any color but red the clutches are toast, have it rebuilt or swap it.
Steve
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This is for the idiot that dipstick comment. You MUST have better things to do, really. Are you drunk or are you some kind of fool or ass? What is wrong with you? I would appreciate you having the guts to post a response to these questions and an apology but maybe you should wait until tomorrow so that you are not just drunk posting! Just so everyone knows, I have gotten far beyond smelling the dipstick and checking the fluid color and level. and I also want you to know that I will be submitting this to cliff for him to determine if you should be allowed to post on here anymore. I would recommend that you attempt to post something of value or something intelligent in the future. Good luck with everything you have going on.
Pat, I'll try and be a peacekeeper here. I know Steve from the O/T area of this forum (which I no longer frequent), and over the years he's irritated me as well with comments that I didn't appreciate. However, I don't think he normally means anything nasty. In regards to the "dipstick" comment, he included a "smiley" with it, so I suspect he was just kidding around. Don't take it personally. I don't think he posts when he drinks, but odds are he was stoned on grass... as that is his preferred method of pain management.
There is some good information included with the sarcasm, some of us have that sense of humor. If the fluid smells nasty and is any thing other than red it's not good. But it doesn't hurt to try the cheap way out and pull the pan and change the filter. It will also give you a chance to see what's in the bottom of the pan. some particles are normal, big chunks or inch thick muck is not.
There is some good information included with the sarcasm, some of us have that sense of humor. If the fluid smells nasty and is any thing other than red it's not good. But it doesn't hurt to try the cheap way out and pull the pan and change the filter. It will also give you a chance to see what's in the bottom of the pan. some particles are normal, big chunks or inch thick muck is not.
And if you pull the filter and change, you should even if it looks clean, put a new filter in and cut the old one open, you can't see what kind of crap is in there until you cut it open. a proper flush and fill by a trany shop is more in order but yes that will cost more.
To the OP, if I offended you, to bad, you didn't say in your Original post you did that, smell the fluid or any post after that. The line that offended you is a line out of a movie and was followed by a wink incase you didn't see that meaning it was supposed to be a joke. Not to offend you, I bet you must be fun to work with if you take a comment like that, that way.
By the way in no way take that as an apology in any way just more of a clarification as to what I said, all the other info in that post and this one are spot on. Most people don't know that a red color is what trany fluid is supposed to be or that it can still be a shade of red and be bad, that's why you smell the fluid on the dipstick.
I have been at this a very long time, long before Fiero's were even thought of being created. Please do call cliff, because I am not so sure he will say anything about this little joke.
Geez Steve, cut the fella some slack. He's only been a member here for four months. He doesn't know you. Despite the fact that it's common in O/T to rip everyone apart, the tech threads are normally a bit more civil.
Geez Steve, cut the fella some slack. He's only been a member here for four months. He doesn't know you. Despite the fact that it's common in O/T to rip everyone apart, the tech threads are normally a bit more civil.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Don't take it personally. I don't think he posts when he drinks, but odds are he was stoned on grass... as that is his preferred method of pain management.
I haven't been drunk in over 27 years, hadn't had a drink until after my Bypass and the surgeon prescribed 3 beers a week to help thin my blood, yes pot is my pain killer, along with this opium the doctors have me on but right now and when I posted I was not impaired at all, other than my Short term memory loss, weakness in the left side of my body from the stroke that I am also on blood thinners for. plus 10 Mg twice a day opium prescribe by my pain specialist I see every month to cheek on my pain levels and since using the medical MJ I have cut back from 30 Mg twice a day to just 10 Mg twice a day. The pot is for pain and muscle spasm's and works better than any drug the doctors have prescribed for my back pain from 6 herniated discs.
But I was not Drunk, or Stoned, I don't smoke pot to get stoned for fun I smoke medical that is higher in CBDs than THC levels for the most part, before going to bed I may have a couple of hit of high test to help me fall asleep.
Geez Steve, cut the fella some slack. He's only been a member here for four months. He doesn't know you. Despite the fact that it's common in O/T to rip everyone apart, the tech threads are normally a bit more civil.
Patrick I made a joke, there was a wink after it, it was a line in an old movie, I forget ,
No wait it is a line from the Bill Cosby comedy album, 200 MPH, when Bill got his car from carol Shelby. something about he always had Ferraris and lambos and when he went to get gas and have his oil checked, the gas monkey says where is the dipstick, Bill says
"Your the dipsht, find the dipstick"
Hey I even cleaned it up some he actually said the s word.
and also pat, we have had some members come back recently now haven't we who are just band member with new names so I am skeptical of all new members at first. until they prove themselves, and all my info was spot on.
Steve
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It's probably a line Cosby used on the women he drugged!
Okay, let's get back to malfunctioning transmissions.
Nooo, this whether the OP knows it is keeping his trany thread at the top of the page, making his thread the first anyone sees when they look here. good for him because if anyone who see's this thread and see's anything posted that is wrong it will show him what the rest of us have already said.
Automatic tranys have a large amount of trany fluid in the torque converter that doesn't get drained out of said torque converter. So the only way to do a proper trany fluid filter change RIGHT is a complete flush and fill, replacing all the fluid, not just the stuff in the pan.
This is for the idiot that dipstick comment. You MUST have better things to do, really. Are you drunk or are you some kind of fool or ass? What is wrong with you? I would appreciate you having the guts to post a response to these questions and an apology but maybe you should wait until tomorrow so that you are not just drunk posting! Just so everyone knows, I have gotten far beyond smelling the dipstick and checking the fluid color and level. and I also want you to know that I will be submitting this to cliff for him to determine if you should be allowed to post on here anymore. I would recommend that you attempt to post something of value or something intelligent in the future. Good luck with everything you have going on.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Pat, I'll try and be a peacekeeper here. I know Steve from the O/T area of this forum (which I no longer frequent), and over the years he's irritated me as well with comments that I didn't appreciate. However, I don't think he normally means anything nasty. In regards to the "dipstick" comment, he included a "smiley" with it, so I suspect he was just kidding around. Don't take it personally. I don't think he posts when he drinks, but odds are he was stoned on grass... as that is his preferred method of pain management.
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Geez Steve, cut the fella some slack. He's only been a member here for four months. He doesn't know you. Despite the fact that it's common in O/T to rip everyone apart, the tech threads are normally a bit more civil.
Well......
It's good to know that there is a track record here and that I'm not the only one dealing with his crap. (no smiley)
Ok everyone, I am not doing anymore with the transmission. I replaced the filter and gasket and fluid hoping to get some kind of response but it is still just acting like it is stuck in neutral. The engine is just a 2.5 and is not that solid so I have decided to part out the car. I am grabbing everything I need and putting it in my other 88 notchback. I know the parts especially the cradle is worth a little and all of the front end is good. There is a lot of good frame and body parts on this car and I know I will get the money back out of it easily and I will also have the parts I want for my other 88. I was hoping to be able to find some kind of simple remedy to the transmission since I am not a transmission guy I thought maybe the forum would help. Thanks to everyone that was helpful and to those that were not, maybe you should consider what you would think of someone offering stupid comments. (very little I would think) I own 3 88s right now, one is a regular notchback the other are formula notchbacks. In the recent past I have pulled an engine and cradle from one of the cars and replaced it with another 2.8 and I drive it often. I am mechanically inclined even though I am not a mechanic. I have owned 5 fieros over the years and I just love the cars! So once again, thank you to those who were helpful and who attempted to be helpful.
Before for throw in the towel did you try talking with your local tranny shop? It could still be something simple/stupid. I'd hate to see a good car get parted out if it didn't need to be.
Me to, I have an extra transmission that is in great condition but I am afraid that this 2.5 is just worn out and is not going to be worth the trouble. I can see that this car was originally was a 2.8 and it had trunk release, cruise control and it had the air cleaner for the 2.8. For some reason the 2.8 was removed and this engine was put in. There is a new/remanufactured computer for it and there are many new parts including a new radiator, tires, battery and other misc. items. If the engine started and ran good I would do the swap but I am afraid it is time for this to become a donor car. I figure rather than mess with so much time dropping the engine and swapping the tranny and then putting around town with a worn out 2.5 that I should just take advantage of the car for any parts I need and then sell off the rest. The guy I got it from did not take care of it and the engine, the air cleaner, plugs (everything) was dirty and grimy. The engine runs but it spits oil out the exhaust pipe. I had figured that I would the transmission into it and sell the car. I had bought it from the guy without seeing it run and I trailered it home so this is the first time I have dealt with any of this stuff. I knew I had gotten a pretty good price on the car and that at worst case scenario (this happening) that I would still be in good shape! I have room to store the parts I pull until I can sell them so I guess I will just go that route. It is really convenient and nice to have the luxury of dismantling the car at my house. It makes for a lot more fun than driving around pulling parts at a yard or buying them from ebay. Well, anyway. I am sorry to have bothered you guys. I was just really hoping to make a quick fix, considering the poor care that was taken of the car, I was thinking it might be something simple. I just got the car so I have only had it for less than 2 days but it was pretty simple to see what I should do with the bad trans and the tired old engine. Thanks again.
In the event of replacement any TH125 in any year/model Fiero will bolt in. You've just got to watch the FDR for compatibility with the 2.5L. For an amateur, dropping the cradle and replacing that trans with the torque converter is about an 8 hour job. If the old fluid was not discolored, my guess is that the torque converter let go.
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Thanks to everyone that was helpful and to those that were not, maybe you should consider what you would think of someone offering stupid comments. (very little I would think)
I do every day on here, I have since I started, you have to thin a skin and no sense of humor.
What I said if you read any of my other post was a joke as said by others who know me, if it makes you happy I will say I am sorry, sorry you have no sense of humor. The trany has a dipstick doesn't it? well that was the first thing that came to mind, did you smell the dipstick ? You still haven't said.
You should really get out more and definitely stay out of off topic here. You would be appalled at what get said in there if that one line hurt your feelings. When I first started here I had a stroke that made it very hard to post readable even, the mind is affected in a stroke or at least mine, I lost a big chunk of my Short term memory and would post things twice in the same paragraph because I forgot I wrote it.
You are never going to make it in Fiero's if you don't have a sense of humor, because these things can be money pits. But hey a lot of us love them.
So my last bit of advise to you is to take it into a trany shop and see what they say, you don't have to pay for that, it's free.
I am pretty new to the forum. If the engine was good or was a decent 2.8 I would do the swap but there are to many reasons to grab what I need and sell the rest. I have one good trans and a poor running 2.5 but a great parts car. If the engine was good I would put in the trans and sell the whole thing. Thanks pat
Is the space frame rusted out? If not...find a way to save the car. Engines and trannys are like toilet paper in Fieros....used and quickly tossed. Don't let them be the deciding factor of whether or not the Fiero is salvageable.
As for Steve's sense of humor... I'm still waiting for an actual joke from him. Want to get under his skin? ...tell him you're an Engineer....he loves that...
Is the space frame rusted out? If not...find a way to save the car. Engines and trannys are like toilet paper in Fieros....used and quickly tossed. Don't let them be the deciding factor of whether or not the Fiero is salvageable.
As for Steve's sense of humor... I'm still waiting for an actual joke from him. Want to get under his skin? ...tell him you're an Engineer....he loves that...
The rest of the car is in great condition, I am pulling everything off that I need and I will part out the rest. It is an 88 but it has the different look with the different front and and the side trim. I don't know how common that style is, it looks like the style on the 86 but it is an 88. I know the cradle and suspension and is great. I got the car out of Florida so it has not been up north. I can see it used to have a 2.8 in it and had some options in it originally. Once I get what I need from it I will post it for parting out. I really wish I had this car a year and a half ago when I was desperately looking for a rust free cradle for my other 88. I found out then how difficult it is to find one and what people want for them! Steve caught me at a bad time. I had just brought the car home on a trailer and had ran it for the first time, I found that the engine was pretty much shot and I had a bad trans to boot. I had the extra trans but why hook it up to a worn out 2.5 I had really been hoping for a good engine based upon what the guy told me. Well, it make a great parts car and I think I will recoup my expendeture. Thanks pat
It is an 88 but it has the different look with the different front and and the side trim. I don't know how common that style is, it looks like the style on the 86 but it is an 88.
I have to of the formulas and they have that body style. This one I have was manufactured in November of 87 but it is an 88 on the title and when I look up the vin number it shows it to be an 88. I don't know how to put a photo up. How do you post photos?
I have to of the formulas and they have that body style. This one I have was manufactured in November of 87 but it is an 88 on the title and when I look up the vin number it shows it to be an 88. I don't know how to put a photo up. How do you post photos?
All new car production of the next year always starts the year before in the summer months, I had a car that was built as number 26 off the line that year and was built in August 1975 but was a 1976 model year car.
It is the way the auto industry does this to have cars for sale as soon as they can and to keep up with demand by having cars on hand or in the lots before the models year gets here.
Thanks 
You would be appalled at what get said in there if that one line hurt your feelings. When I first started here I had a stroke that made it very hard to post readable even, the mind is affected in a stroke or at least mine, I lost a big chunk of my Short term memory and would post things twice in the same paragraph because I forgot I wrote it.
