i sandblast my new floor pan plug and im ready to seal it i want a like oem install and i searched and found other thread that said that was a product like a rubber you can cut and seal it with a heat gun and here in canada when i call at a parts store they dont understand what im looking so if anyone can tell me a brand with a part number or the product utility ( example seal bumber or floor seal .... etc ) and where i can find it auto parts store hardware store renovation center it will help me thanks a lot
i sandblast my new floor pan plug and im ready to seal it i want a like oem install and i searched and found other thread that said that was a product like a rubber you can cut and seal it with a heat gun and here in canada when i call at a parts store they dont understand what im looking so if anyone can tell me a brand with a part number or the product utility ( example seal bumber or floor seal .... etc ) and where i can find it auto parts store hardware store renovation center it will help me thanks a lot
Call the dealer, I am sure they will know exactly what you are talking about and will probably have it still available. that was the same stuff from the time I started at GM in 73 until I left in 90 to go to Saturn, not sure but I believe Saturn used the same thing as well.
Or you could just use urethane windshield sealant, it comes in tubes and a coil type roll that you can do with what ever you want.
Steve
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Call the dealer, I am sure they will know exactly what you are talking about and will probably have it still available. that was the same stuff from the time I started at GM in 73 until I left in 90 to go to Saturn, not sure but I believe Saturn used the same thing as well.
Or you could just use urethane windshield sealant, it comes in tubes and a coil type roll that you can do with what ever you want.
Steve
i dont like sealant ooking for a oem look and it is why im l searching for that type of products thanks i will call the dealer anyone have other idea where i can find it ?????
Make new pieces up out of tin and seal them in with seam sealer or good silicone after then under coat them from the bottom or at least that is what I do with them. Dan
the originals came to the factory with the sealant attached if I remember right, been a long time. but if you go to a dealer like I said they will know just what you are talking about and it may even still be available from them. you may have to buy the plug to get it but if you want the factory look you are going to have to go to the dealer. not saying that is the only way to do it, just that is probably the only place you are going to get what you want. I did as said above, just made them out of tin and sealed them with some urethane windshield adhesive I had left over from a windshield I had recently installed. you may be going after the factory look but getting that anal over a plug that after you undercoat the pan no one is ever going to see is just, well anal.
Automotive paint stores carry stuff called "seam sealer" or brushable seam sealer. That will give the OEM look. Also, dealer body shops or parts department have it like the other guy said. Practice with it before you put your plug in. Oh ya, and you are NOT anal for doing it the OEM way!
Automotive paint stores carry stuff called "seam sealer" or brushable seam sealer. That will give the OEM look. Also, dealer body shops or parts department have it like the other guy said. Practice with it before you put your plug in. Oh ya, and you are NOT anal for doing it the OEM way!
Good Luck!
lol im litlle crazy about oem but its a brain problem in my head lol when i searched for other post i call parts store and said did you know a products call seam sealers and the 3 store said never heard that ( im in quebec state canada we talk in french in this state and maybe we dont have this product here i will search google for seam sealers thanks all
Make new pieces up out of tin and seal them in with seam sealer or good silicone after then under coat them from the bottom or at least that is what I do with them. Dan
sorry i speek french what is the word tin ????? thanks fieroflyer for your help
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It was more like a piece of tar paper put over them then sealant just a piece a few inches larger then the plate on the inside of the floor. Dan
actually it was more like a peace of rubber with sealant or glue or something like that , that almost melted to the floor. tar paper is hard, this stuff was almost like a thin rubber patch you would put on an innertube when we put it on, it may look like tar paper when it dries, I wouldn't describe it that way. so if you want something as close to OEM as possible you might try a large innertube patch type thing if it is not available at the dealers. you peeled the paper off of the side that had the adhesive on it and slapped it on over the plug.
A place you might be able to find something similar, but in huge sheets is at a roofing supplier. they use something similar now days under shingles instead of tar paper, its a lot more flexible that tar paper, as it is in a very big roll and if you ask a roofing company or guy that does that he may have some cutoff small peace's from when they cut around the chimneys and vents he would give you for free. they just throw them away. you could just cut the patch whatever size you want smear some black urethane on one side and slap it on over the plug.
sorry about thinking it came on the plug, it has been a long time, 20+ years since I worked that job at GM. I was utility and did just about every job at the assembly plant and did that job maybe twice in 15 years at GM.
the stuff I am talking about is this, and it comes in black and white, and seals a roof so well it is incredible, we just had our roof redone last year and they used it.
but like I said ask a roofing contractor for a small peace he has cut off of a roll, after a job, they do that and usually just throw the small peace's away with the old shingles they removed. its called a membrane here is a better description of it in Wikipedia
While my inquiry at GMDirect showed that the floor pan plugs are not available at this time, here is my post from 7 years ago with the part numbers and pictures, maybe that'll help you in your search for them if you wanted OEM.
sorry about thinking it came on the plug, it has been a long time, 20+ years since I worked that job at GM. I was utility and did just about every job at the assembly plant and did that job maybe twice in 15 years at GM.
Steve
Your memory is about as good as mine. I did that job at the Fiero plant for an afternoon. Plugs came with a rubber/plastic/whatever on them. Popped them into the floor and trunk before a trip through an oven to cure the ELPO dip. Right material and heat gun is probably as close as you could get.
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actually it was more like a peace of rubber with sealant or glue or something like that , that almost melted to the floor. tar paper is hard, this stuff was almost like a thin rubber patch you would put on an innertube when we put it on, it may look like tar paper when it dries, I wouldn't describe it that way. so if you want something as close to OEM as possible you might try a large innertube patch type thing if it is not available at the dealers. you peeled the paper off of the side that had the adhesive on it and slapped it on over the plug.
A place you might be able to find something similar, but in huge sheets is at a roofing supplier. they use something similar now days under shingles instead of tar paper, its a lot more flexible that tar paper, as it is in a very big roll and if you ask a roofing company or guy that does that he may have some cutoff small peace's from when they cut around the chimneys and vents he would give you for free. they just throw them away. you could just cut the patch whatever size you want smear some black urethane on one side and slap it on over the plug.
sorry about thinking it came on the plug, it has been a long time, 20+ years since I worked that job at GM. I was utility and did just about every job at the assembly plant and did that job maybe twice in 15 years at GM.
the stuff I am talking about is this, and it comes in black and white, and seals a roof so well it is incredible, we just had our roof redone last year and they used it.
but like I said ask a roofing contractor for a small peace he has cut off of a roll, after a job, they do that and usually just throw the small peace's away with the old shingles they removed. its called a membrane here is a better description of it in Wikipedia
Your memory is about as good as mine. I did that job at the Fiero plant for an afternoon. Plugs came with a rubber/plastic/whatever on them. Popped them into the floor and trunk before a trip through an oven to cure the ELPO dip. Right material and heat gun is probably as close as you could get.
Ayup the memory is shot & it was what 28 years ago when I did it like I said maybe twice. I thought we called that the ALPO dip, or maybe that was just a joke name we used for it, but as I said it was 28 years at least ago when I was utility at another GM plant, we didn't build Fieros at the Framingham, MA plant but still used those sealant patches. hell I bet they still use them today. so like I said they may even still be available at GM dealers. I was all over the plant back then as utility/repair, absentee to those of you that weren't auto workers.
You still at GM? PM me so we don't derail the thread to much.
Go to an automotive paint store and ask for a tube of seam/ drip chek sealer. Thats whats on all cars OEM. Goes on like silicone, hardens and is paintable.
fierogtx, I think I have an old can of the brushable seam sealer at my shop. This weekend I'll see if I can get a part number and brand for you if I can still read the label, thought it was 3m???
fierogtx, I think I have an old can of the brushable seam sealer at my shop. This weekend I'll see if I can get a part number and brand for you if I can still read the label, thought it was 3m???
ok thanks in canada we dont have the same parts store than yours and with your brand and part number i will call parts store and order part with the part number
Seems the floor pan plugs rust out much faster than the floor pan. I could look to have reproductions made if there is enough demand. They would not have the sealant on them. Just the steel pieces.
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Seems the floor pan plugs rust out much faster than the floor pan. I could look to have reproductions made if there is enough demand. They would not have the sealant on them. Just the steel pieces.
mine was rust a litlle but i sandblasted it and paint it just was lookinf for oem lol )strange but the problem is in my head) i really want the oem look on all parts
i saw your for sale thread but dont want to spend for just sealant look oem because my plug had just a little rust on surface no hole and sandblasted it and paint it thanks for the info
Ayup he was looking to stay as OEM as possible and like you said, painted they were not. I believe they were just galvanized or plain steel but I could be wrong about that, maybe it was just a bare metal plug. After they went threw the Alpo dip or WTF ever it is or was called it was coated with some sort of paint, rust inhibitor or what ever it was electrically charged type of dip coating.
Steve
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Seems the floor pan plugs rust out much faster than the floor pan. I could look to have reproductions made if there is enough demand. They would not have the sealant on them. Just the steel pieces.
That's an option...better than paying 50$ USD for NOS plugs.
sometimes you dont have choice i painted before i saw the nos plug thread sale by fierocarparts member i always try to keep most parts stock but sometimes you dont have choice
Originally posted by fierogtx: sometimes you dont have choice i painted before i saw the nos plug thread sale by fierocarparts member i always try to keep most parts stock but sometimes you dont have choice
Sandblast the paint off, or use some paint remover. You always have choices, you could have chose to just us the seam sealer or urethane as I and others have said and already be done. I am all for keeping these things and most older cars as factory as possible, but then someone who does something like this and puts in a newer type radio because they have got to be able to listen to their iPod in their Old car just piss me off more than someone who puts everything back to factory specs. and then pisses and moans about not being able to find the correct part to make it work. many things have been improved over the decades since our Fieros were made, think suspension components like polly bushings. that are a great improvement over original rubber ones.
but then you got those who think their iPod must be connected to their radio with its inferior quality sound compared to old school. Hey I'm an old man.
Hey it's Thursday, have you called the dealer yet?
Steve
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sometimes you dont have choice i painted before i saw the nos plug thread sale by fierocarparts member i always try to keep most parts stock but sometimes you dont have choice
It's fieroparts.com
NOT fierocarparts
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Sandblast the paint off, or use some paint remover. You always have choices, you could have chose to just us the seam sealer or urethane as I and others have said and already be done. I am all for keeping these things and most older cars as factory as possible, but then someone who does something like this and puts in a newer type radio because they have got to be able to listen to their iPod in their Old car just piss me off more than someone who puts everything back to factory specs. and then pisses and moans about not being able to find the correct part to make it work. many things have been improved over the decades since our Fieros were made, think suspension components like polly bushings. that are a great improvement over original rubber ones.
but then you got those who think their iPod must be connected to their radio with its inferior quality sound compared to old school. Hey I'm an old man.
Hey it's Thursday, have you called the dealer yet?
Steve
no the employee are in lock out in my city soo ...... i will wait that the lock out problem will be resolve before buying parts for gm dealer solidarity
no the employee are in lock out in my city soo ...... i will wait that the lock out problem will be resolve before buying parts for gm dealer solidarity
WHAT?
Please explain that, the dealership employees are locked out?
Yes, theres an extreme you can go to keep things completely stock. If its an improvement that you cant see, its not hurting the stock appearance. Things like putting a stainless screw where the original was bare steel or chrome. Painting an unseen bare metal part to keep it from rusting out is not hurting it. I dont even think you can buy original style white letter tires now.
thanks alot
or maybe that was just a joke name we used for it, but as I said it was 28 years at least ago when I was utility at another GM plant, we didn't build Fieros at the Framingham, MA plant but still used those sealant patches. hell I bet they still use them today. so like I said they may even still be available at GM dealers. I was all over the plant back then as utility/repair, absentee to those of you that weren't auto workers. 
