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Front adjustable springs (semi-coilovers) by DaytonTD
Started on: 09-11-2013 09:09 PM
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Report this Post09-11-2013 09:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DaytonTDSend a Private Message to DaytonTDEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Has anyone or does anyone think it is possible to keep the original setup (I have WCF springs front and back) and install a threaded sleeve over the bumpstop up front with a threaded spring perch so the front is adjustable? I do not want to put a shock in there (I'd like to leave the shock and A-Arms stock).

My problem is that the springs right now are too low even after giant washer spacers and I'm tired of always dismantling the front to add or remove washers. I just want it adjustable since it seems to slightly change height on its own every once in awhile.

Thanks in advance
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Report this Post09-12-2013 12:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BridgetownSend a Private Message to BridgetownEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Not sure if these would work, but they look like what your talking about.
http://www.speedwaymotors.c...ring-Shim,33328.html
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Report this Post09-12-2013 05:07 AM Click Here to See the Profile for thesameguySend a Private Message to thesameguyEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I have a setup similar to that on both ends of my Saab 900, which uses a discrete shock/spring at all four corners. Works great! You just need to be sure the adjustable perch matches the ID of the spring.
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Report this Post09-12-2013 11:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DaytonTDSend a Private Message to DaytonTDEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
That is close but I was looking for something more like the rear coilovers where something can completely go through the middle and it is adjustable (not tack welded in). My main problem is finding something that fits perfectly in where the factory spring goes into right now. There seems to only be about a half inch space.
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Report this Post09-12-2013 02:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
If you run aftermarket lower control arms (on an 88), you can run coilovers on the front.
Stock control arms are not stout enough to carry the weight at the shock mount.
You are out of luck on pre-88's, crossmember and control arm replacement is your only option.
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Report this Post09-12-2013 04:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mcguiver3Send a Private Message to mcguiver3Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I fabricated an adjustable spring setup on 3 86 Fieros to date.
All are autocrossed and track regularly.
The lower control arm is reinforced and a threaded sleeve with spring installed.
the shock is in the stock location but uses an adjustable QA-! unit with custom mounts.
Works great so far. Over 4+ years on 2 of the cars. The third was totaled and was replaced with an 88 GT.
I have built a true coil over set up using the QA-! Single Adjustable threaded shocks for that car and 2 other 88's as well.
One being mine.
Same AX and track schedule. Been over 6 years and works great too.
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Report this Post09-12-2013 08:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DaytonTDSend a Private Message to DaytonTDEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So you put the sleeve and perch upside down on the bottom portion of the spring and reinforced it?

Is it possible to see some pictures if you have some? Thanks

EDIT: Wait what am I thinking that is the normal way, I was originally thinking of installing them upside down on top of the spring... not sure how that slipped my mind haha, would still be nice to see pictures if possible, thanks!

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Report this Post09-13-2013 07:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mcguiver3Send a Private Message to mcguiver3Edit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I will see if I still have the lower arms that were salvaged from the old car.
I think I saved them. As well as the sleeves.
The top of the springs fit into the upper stock spring perch location.
I used a 3" Fernco cap on top of the spring to cushion and locate the spring in the perch.
Pics may take a few days. having a wisdom tooth pulled today.

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Report this Post09-13-2013 07:20 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BridgetownSend a Private Message to BridgetownEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
These would be a good base to start with, and add an adjustable base for the spring.
http://www.westcoastfiero.c...nless_a-arm_big.html
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Report this Post09-14-2013 09:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BridgetownSend a Private Message to BridgetownEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Found this write up. It has som pics of what your thinking

http://www.martinwhite.name/fiero/wj.html

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Report this Post09-15-2013 02:14 AM Click Here to See the Profile for DaytonTDSend a Private Message to DaytonTDEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks a lot for those links, that is exactly what I am looking for. It seems this may be more work intensive than I planned... I think if I go through with this I will have to remove the bump stops completely.

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Report this Post01-22-2014 10:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BridgetownSend a Private Message to BridgetownEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Posting these for mcguiver3
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Report this Post01-23-2014 02:27 AM Click Here to See the Profile for PatrickSend a Private Message to PatrickEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Bridgetown:

Posting these for mcguiver3...


Let's make these easier to see (and uploaded to PIP so we don't lose them sometime down the road).





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Report this Post01-23-2014 01:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hnthompsSend a Private Message to hnthompsEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
There is also another alternative to give you adjustable front height. I ended up using air shocks on the front and installing a small compressor to get my car out of the driveway without dragging. This was done on an 87 Mera but could be installed on other Fieros as well. Pictures can be taken if needed and I have a good e-mail address.

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Report this Post01-25-2014 12:11 AM Click Here to See the Profile for qwikgtaSend a Private Message to qwikgtaEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
**edit - F*cking PIP **

If you have an 88, you can always buy the kit from AMS





This is my front end that I'm working on now. Still have to install the dropped spindles and wilwood brake kit.

Rob

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LS Build Thread: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/083204.html
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3800 build thread: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/089035.html

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Report this Post01-25-2014 11:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BridgetownSend a Private Message to BridgetownEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Inspired by Mcguiver3's setup above, I've been researching this a little more, and I think I've come up with a combination of components that would make this possible with only having to modify the lower control arm. That way you could switch back a set of stock lower arms if you ever wanted to, and run a stock setup again.
My idea is this:
Start with a set of these
http://www.jegs.com/i/Ridet...entProductId=1391960
Disassemble them, and just use the body/lower eye mount. You won't need the shaft, or top mount.
Then weld these to the lower control arm (after removing the stock spring pocket and reinforcing with a flat plate)
http://www.jegs.com/i/AFCO/921/20137/10002/-1
Then use these springs.
http://www.jegs.com/i/QA1/122/10GSF350/10002/-1
Using tapered springs would avoid needing to modify the top spring mount on the fiero crossmember.
I'm not sure on the spring length, I haven't done any calculations, but you get the idea.
Your thoughts?
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Report this Post01-26-2014 09:03 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fieroguruSend a Private Message to fieroguruEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
You can use two Allstar 56118 adjusters ($40 each) welded to the lower control arm. They will require a shorter spring, but then you have a simple means of adjusting them. You might want to notch the outer ring for a spanner wrench or drill the threaded tube right at the spring support so you can use a screw driver to turn them for adjustment.

However you do this, you likely need to trim down the factory bump stop sleeve to make room.



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Report this Post03-18-2014 07:36 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BridgetownSend a Private Message to BridgetownEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Was looking at these, thinking they might work mounted in place of the stock bumpstop on the crossmember.
http://jksmfg.com/i-8938568...ble-coil-spacer.html
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Report this Post03-18-2014 08:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for BrittBSend a Private Message to BrittBEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Too bad you couldn't do it like they do on stock cars using adjustable weight jack screws.
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