I'm going to say something that's sure to get most of you upset but here goes, anyway...
As a practicing Christian, I know the Bible teaches that the way to get to heaven is through faith in Jesus Christ. This involves acknowledging oneself as a sinner, believing that Jesus died for those sins, and accepting Him as Lord and Saviour. The Bible Makes it clear that salvation is a gift from God. It's not something you get as a reward for good works and deeds. So, until Donald J. Trump acknowledges he is a sinner, believes that Jesus died for his sins, and accepts Christ as Lord and Saviour, he will not get to Heaven no matter how many deals he makes, "wars" and "conflicts" he "ends", or how many Nobel Peace Prizes he thinks he is entitled to.
I hope to see you all in Heaven.
And with that said, I'm done. (repeated word omitted)
[This message has been edited by Mike in Sydney (edited 08-19-2025).]
1 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
So, until Donald J. Trump acknowledges he is a sinner, believes that Jesus died for his sins, and accepts Christ as Lord and Saviour, he will not get to Heaven no matter how many deals he makes, "wars" and "conflicts" he "ends", or how many Nobel Peace Prizes he thinks he is entitled to.
Mike, I suspect it's more likely to pan out like this. If nothing else, it's a good joke.
Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: I'm going to say something that's sure to get most of you upset but here goes, anyway...
As a practicing Christian, I know the Bible teaches that the way to get to heaven is through faith in Jesus Christ. This involves acknowledging oneself as a sinner, believing that Jesus died for those sins, and accepting Him as Lord and Saviour. The Bible Makes it clear that salvation is a gift from God. It's not something you get as a reward for good works and deeds.
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Originally posted by Mike in Sydney: So, until Donald J. Trump acknowledges he is a sinner, believes that Jesus died for his sins, and accepts Christ as Lord and Saviour, he will not get to Heaven no matter how many deals he makes, "wars" and "conflicts" he "ends", or how many Nobel Peace Prizes he thinks he is entitled to.
I hope to see you all in Heaven.
I missed the part where you acknowledged that you were a sinner ????
Did Barrack Obama confess to Christ that he was a sinner before he got a Nobel Peace in less than a week after he took power ? Without affecting any peace at all ?
How arrogant is it for someone to decide, of their own volition, who is worthy and who isn't? Or what is in someone's heart, and conscience.
As for me? I was raised Catholic. I don't necessarily "claim" it anymore, but I know what is in my heart and conscience, and I'm good with it.
Further... it's nobody else's effing business. I have little patience for people who want to get in my face and judge me (or anyone else, for that matter) because of what "they think I'm about.". How dare you people. Get over yourselves.
Edit - Huh... I seem to have lost two ratings (prior to this post.) Not that it matters.
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How odd that you somehow think that someone must make a public pronouncement of faith to you in order for you to believe that they are saved.
Not surprising that you try to use faith as a political / rhetorical weapon.
Randye, I don't think someone has to make a public pronouncement of faith to me. I merely was commenting on DJT's comments about getting stopping wars will get him to heaven. You are correct though in calling me out. What I should have said is, So, unless Donald J. Trump has admitted that he is a sinner, believes that Jesus died for his sins, and has accepted Christ as Lord and Saviour, he will not get to Heaven no matter how many deals he makes, "wars" and "conflicts" he "ends", or how many Nobel Peace Prizes he thinks he is entitled to.
I don't know if DJT is a Christian or not. I'm just noting that Christians should realise you don't get to heaven through good works and deeds. To me, Mr Trump's comments seem to indicate otherwise.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:
Matthew 20:1-16
[QUOTE]1 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
Doug, I'm not sure I see the relevance of this parable in regards to my original post. Can you help me out with this?
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Originally posted by cliffw:
I missed the part where you acknowledged that you were a sinner ????
Did Barrack Obama confess to Christ that he was a sinner before he got a Nobel Peace in less than a week after he took power ? Without affecting any peace at all ?
Cliff, I'm a sinner. There's probably very few of the commandments that I haven't broken in my life and will likely break again. But the good thing is, I'm forgiven.
I can't respond about Barrack Obama's confession. But even if he did or didn't, getting a Nobel Prize, doesn't get you salvation. (Oh, BTW, I didn't agree with the award at the time and still don't. There were about 200 nominees and I would have preferred that it go to Hu Jia of China.)
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Originally posted by Raydar:
How arrogant is it for someone to decide, of their own volition, who is worthy and who isn't? Or what is in someone's heart, and conscience.
As for me? I was raised Catholic. I don't necessarily "claim" it anymore, but I know what is in my heart and conscience, and I'm good with it.
Further... it's nobody else's effing business. I have little patience for people who want to get in my face and judge me (or anyone else, for that matter) because of what "they think I'm about.". How dare you people. Get over yourselves.
Edit - Huh... I seem to have lost two ratings (prior to this post.) Not that it matters.
Raydar, I'm not deciding who is worthy or who isn't. I'm certainly not worthy to decide. The rock in my eye is too big for me to remove the grain of sand in anyone else's.
Contrary to what you seem to assume, I agree with you that it's a person's own business on what they believe or don't believe. Again, I was noting that that good works alone are not sufficient for salvation but that was what DJT's comments about ending the war between Ukraine and Russia sounds like to me.
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Raydar, I'm not deciding who is worthy or who isn't. I'm certainly not worthy to decide. The rock in my eye is too big for me to remove the grain of sand in anyone else's.
Contrary to what you seem to assume, I agree with you that it's a person's own business on what they believe or don't believe. Again, I was noting that that good works alone are not sufficient for salvation but that was what DJT's comments about ending the war between Ukraine and Russia sounds like to me.
1 Samuel 16:7: "For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart."
If Trump were to loudly and frequently profess his faith in Jesus Christ as his lord and savior you TDS afflicted would claim to be "concerned" about "separation of church and state" and that he was "trying to turn this country into a theocracy".
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I'm going to say something that's sure to get most of you upset but here goes, anyway...
As a practicing Christian, I know the Bible teaches that the way to get to heaven is through faith in Jesus Christ. This involves acknowledging oneself as a sinner, believing that Jesus died for those sins, and accepting Him as Lord and Saviour. The Bible Makes it clear that salvation is a gift from God. It's not something you get as a reward for good works and deeds. So, until Donald J. Trump acknowledges he is a sinner, believes that Jesus died for his sins, and accepts Christ as Lord and Saviour, he will not get to Heaven no matter how many deals he makes, "wars" and "conflicts" he "ends", or how many Nobel Peace Prizes he thinks he is entitled to.
I hope to see you all in Heaven.
And with that said, I'm done. (repeated word omitted)
I don't want to put words in your mouth, or misinterpret anything you ment to convey, but I will quote your comment because you started this thread. I am glad that God is the only one that decides what happens to us after life. I myself couldn't do justice to somebody's eternal fate even if I did know everything about them. I am a flawed person who would end up judging people according to my preferences, and as a flawed person I recognize that I make a lot of mistakes and wouldn't want to make a mistake on somebody's eternal destiny. That being said, God knows Trump's heart more than we do here on PFF. We basically only hear second hand information from media that are mostly biased one way or the other. So to be fair to Trump, what have you heard him say, or do that God can't forgive? What does he have to say publicly for God to accept him?. I believe that America is a Country, not a Church. And as such the Government (and to some degree) employers have to accept that people do not have to have a relationship with God to participate in a functional society. Common sense dictates that even people within religious groups, different on beliefs, so there is no way the Government could hope to unite or force religious practices on the Country. Not that Trump is doing that, but because you mentioned him, I just felt that I would point out a few opinions of mine. Thank you
I don't want to put words in your mouth, or misinterpret anything you ment to convey, but I will quote your comment because you started this thread. I am glad that God is the only one that decides what happens to us after life. I myself couldn't do justice to somebody's eternal fate even if I did know everything about them. I am a flawed person who would end up judging people according to my preferences, and as a flawed person I recognize that I make a lot of mistakes and wouldn't want to make a mistake on somebody's eternal destiny. That being said, God knows Trump's heart more than we do here on PFF. We basically only hear second hand information from media that are mostly biased one way or the other. So to be fair to Trump, what have you heard him say, or do that God can't forgive? What does he have to say publicly for God to accept him?. I believe that America is a Country, not a Church. And as such the Government (and to some degree) employers have to accept that people do not have to have a relationship with God to participate in a functional society. Common sense dictates that even people within religious groups, different on beliefs, so there is no way the Government could hope to unite or force religious practices on the Country. Not that Trump is doing that, but because you mentioned him, I just felt that I would point out a few opinions of mine. Thank you
Rick, I agree with you. Only God knows DJT's innermost heart. The only point I've been trying to make is DJT made a statement about ending the war in the Ukraine and implied that would get him into heaven. The statement made on 8/19/25 on Fox & Friends was, "I wanna try and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not doing well. I am really at the bottom of the totem pole. But if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons."
Ephesians says that believers are saved by grace through faith and not by their deeds (Ephesians 2:8–9). Good works are not a means to earn salvation. They are they the expression of that salvation, demonstrating God's work through them. So, if Don has not accepted Christ as his saviour he will not get to heaven.
Contrary to what many think I said, Don doesn't have to confess and commit publicly to prove he is saved. He only has to do it for himself and God and realise that good works alone doesn't ensure salvation.
I don't like DJT as a person or as a leader. His politics and actions do not align with mine and many others. HOWEVER, I do want to see him in Heaven as I want to see others. Will he be there? I don't know. Like you said, "God knows Trump's <and everyone else's> heart more than we do here on PFF."
(Edited for spelling and punctuation.)
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Mike in Sydney You quoted some classic Trump right there. I agree that his deeds won't earn him Heaven. I do think that Trump says things to get under his critics skin. But I guess only he knows. Sense you let your opinions of him known, I also will express my opinion of Trump. As a person I feel that he would be a great person to hang out with and play pool or golf. As a leader and President, I fully support him, but I wish he would be a little more professional. I LOVE the policies he is implementing but I think he can be somewhat abrasive or sells sellsmanish.
LOL... don't ever expect to win. The Art of the Cheat.
Well I guess that would make our game " par for the course". I can't play to save my life, I am terrible at it. So I just play to have fun and shop talk. BUT don't tell Trump that I also have a few tricks up my sleeve.
LOL... don't ever expect to win. The Art of the Cheat.
Golf is the greatest game on the planet. I’m totally worthless at it but I enjoy playing - or trying to -, anyway. It’s the only game where you call penalties on yourself. It is a true reflection of a player’s character. If you cheat at golf where you are really just playing against yourself, you’ll cheat at other things big and small.
For a real view into how the Commander in Chief plays, read Rick Reilly’s book, Commander in Cheat. It’s eye-opening and a good read.
(Edited for spelling.)
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Show me a golfer who doesn't "cheat" somehow in golf and I will show you a liar. Not saying the president may be taking it a little far at times, after all 24 hour press coverage is going to catch every detail. As for the video, I would like to see a wider shot, the grass looked long so who is to say the ball went into even deeper grass off screen, how do we know he didn't take a penalty stroke. Give the guy some credit at his age he is still out there swinging a club, not "lounging" on the beach every weekend like a previous president. Even Obama was athletic while serving, remember the basketball court.
I'm going to say something that's sure to get most of you upset but here goes, anyway...
As a practicing Christian, I know the Bible teaches that the way to get to heaven is through faith in Jesus Christ. This involves acknowledging oneself as a sinner, believing that Jesus died for those sins, and accepting Him as Lord and Saviour. The Bible Makes it clear that salvation is a gift from God. It's not something you get as a reward for good works and deeds. So, until Donald J. Trump acknowledges he is a sinner, believes that Jesus died for his sins, and accepts Christ as Lord and Saviour, he will not get to Heaven no matter how many deals he makes, "wars" and "conflicts" he "ends", or how many Nobel Peace Prizes he thinks he is entitled to.
I hope to see you all in Heaven.
And with that said, I'm done. (repeated word omitted)
This is a very, very, strange post. Here I thought you were proselytizing, and I was thinking, I thought you were atheist, but ok... and then I come to realize this is literally JUST another unhinged post about Donald Trump... haha...
Is this what you think about day in and day out, or is this what a radical leftist thinks that Trump voters think about all the time? Are you allowed to respond to me now, or are you still in a self-imposed time-out because my questions are challenging?
As for the video, I would like to see a wider shot, the grass looked long so who is to say the ball went into even deeper grass off screen, how do we know he didn't take a penalty stroke.
OMG... in the eyes of MAGA zealots, Donald Trump can do no wrong! Here we have video proof of a Trump lackey secretively dropping a golf ball for Daddy Trump, and you're desperately trying to defend his actions. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
OMG... in the eyes of MAGA zealots, Donald Trump can do no wrong! Here we have video proof of a Trump lackey secretively dropping a golf ball for Daddy Trump, and you're desperately trying to defend his actions. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
Wow, automatically assume I am MAGA. Thanks I guess. Your post (video) shows what you assume is the president cheating, great. So what if someone threw a ball down for him to hit, with out context of the whole hole being played you have no idea if he lost a ball, maybe the ball was in the sand trap and he had no shot out, play smart drop a ball and take the stroke. Glad that you are such an arm chair golf analyst that you know exactly what happened in the short video. Sure he may cheat, as reported by you, the media, and even those people he's played a round with, but again I say, EVERY golfer cheats in this game, no matter what they say.
Sure he may cheat, as reported by you, the media, and even those people he's played a round with, but again I say, EVERY golfer cheats in this game, no matter what they say.
You're making it very clear how Trump gets away with being a criminal. It's just shrugged off by his supporters.
So... despite defending his actions, you're denying being a supporter of Donald Trump? (Hey, I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to be associated in any manner with Donald Trump.)
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Originally posted by bonaduce:
I am discussing the video, not whether he is a criminal.
Fine patrick, you caught me I'm a closet MAGA congratulations. God forbid anybody defend a position that doesn't support your belief. So by Mikes definition any person that does not strictly follow the rules of golf to the letter is a criminal. Please tell me which canadian or australian work camp to report to. I must confess that I am a criminal, this past Sunday I shanked a ball off into the woods, now by the rules that ball is considered out of bounds, drop and 1 stroke penalty. I didn't take the penalty stroke, I took a mulligan. I am a horrible person, I should get the chair.
Mike, sorry to bring you into this but your name was invoked by Patrick, I know I am taking this to the extreme.
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Originally posted by bonaduce: No, but thank you for assuming that.
I am discussing the video, not whether he is a criminal.
Don't fall for it... Patrick has no intention of actually having a conversation about anything. He just wants to go in a loop forever about Trump and how bad he thinks he is.
I am discussing the video, not whether he is a criminal.
You are trying to explain the game to people who obviously never played the game. While I am no avid golfer, I have played a couple of times with friends. I can recall one time in Alaska when I hit my ball into a wooded area and could not find it in 5 minutes while everyone else took their swings. Instead of everyone spending half an hour trying to find that ball while being covered in mosquitos, they dropped a new ball for me at the edge and I took a one stroke penalty. It is not cheating. It is part of the game.
Another example, one guy hit his ball into a pond. He got a new ball with a penalty. At another hole, one guy's ball came to a rest up against a tree. He was allowed to pick up his ball and move it a couple feet away from the tree so he could safely hit it without hitting the tree. I am sure to these newly minted cheating "experts" that is cheating too.
Here we have video proof of a Trump lackey secretively dropping a golf ball for Daddy Trump, and you're desperately trying to defend his actions. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
I like how all you MAGA zealots conveniently ignore the fact that the Trump lackey tried to place the ball down as inconspicuously as possible, no doubt as instructed by his master.
Yeah, sure thing... Trump took a stroke penalty. lol
What other Trump behavior would you guys like to attempt to rationalize? Please, that's just a rhetorical question... I don't have all day to spend at this.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: This is a very, very, strange post. Here I thought you were proselytizing, and I was thinking, I thought you were atheist, but ok... and then I come to realize this is literally JUST another unhinged post about Donald Trump... haha...
Is this what you think about day in and day out, or is this what a radical leftist thinks that Trump voters think about all the time? Are you allowed to respond to me now, or are you still in a self-imposed time-out because my questions are challenging?
Welcome back, Todd. I was wondering when you would put your two cents in.
Again, you're assuming that I'm a radical leftist. How foolish you are. I'm as far from being a radical leftist as you are from being someone who hasn't imbibed the MAGA Kool-Aid.
You are trying to explain the game to people who obviously never played the game. While I am no avid golfer, I have played a couple of times with friends. I can recall one time in Alaska when I hit my ball into a wooded area and could not find it in 5 minutes while everyone else took their swings. Instead of everyone spending half an hour trying to find that ball while being covered in mosquitos, they dropped a new ball for me at the edge and I took a one stroke penalty. It is not cheating. It is part of the game.
Another example, one guy hit his ball into a pond. He got a new ball with a penalty. At another hole, one guy's ball came to a rest up against a tree. He was allowed to pick up his ball and move it a couple feet away from the tree so he could safely hit it without hitting the tree. I am sure to these newly minted cheating "experts" that is cheating too.
Doug,
You're correct, we've all done it. There are local rules, "buddy rules", personal rules when just hacking, etc. So illegally improving your lie, dropping a ball closer to the hole, or anything outside the rules of the governing body can and does happen. Is it right? It depends on the situation but it's not allowed in competition and if you are bragging about your consummate golfing ability, you shouldn't do it in public - especially when you KNOW there is press or other observers around.
DJT brags continuously about being club champion. To do that, you have to play by the rules. To have a handicap assigned to you, you have to turn in a series of scorecards where the rounds were played in accordance with the official rules by the which the club or Course sets. Don doesn't really do that. Read Rick Reilly's book for details.
I'll give Don this, he can bang the ball a long way but his short game is suspect. It's kinda like his tariff negotiations: drive for show, putt for dough.
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Here we have video proof of a Trump lackey secretively dropping a golf ball for Daddy Trump, and you're desperately trying to defend his actions. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
