You stated earlier that you have nothing in the market. Why should anyone follow your advice if you don't trust the system enough to invest in it?
BTW, the only people actually losing REAL money are those that are panicking and selling. The people who have their retirement savings invested through market investments are still ahead of their initial investment cost, and will see the value return as the market settles down.
You never get tired of being WRONG about EVERYTHING, do you?
This is a really GOOD time to buy some stocks, one just has to predict what stocks they are. Most of the crash was in speculative stocks (tech, no products, just promises for the future) that was overvalued via the speculative investments.
TUESDAY PICK BET ON BIG SWINGS BOTH UP CURRENT AND BACK DOWN
ONE CAN BET ON FUTURES ON THE WHOLE MARKET 100 OR 200 UP OR DOWN BUT YOU MUST WATCH AND ACT INSTANTLY WHEN THE FOOL OPENS IT'S MOUTH EXPECT THE MARKET TO MOVE
i WOULD NOT BET ON A SINGLE STOCK NOW JUST THE WHOLE MESS ON AVG
Originally posted by olejoedad: BTW, the only people actually losing REAL money are those that are panicking and selling. The people who have their retirement savings invested through market investments are still ahead of their initial investment cost, and will see the value return as the market settles down.
You never get tired of being WRONG about EVERYTHING, do you?
This is a really GOOD time to buy some stocks, one just has to predict what stocks they are. Most of the crash was in speculative stocks (tech, no products, just promises for the future) that was overvalued via the speculative investments.
THOSE PEOPLE WHO STAYED IN LOST 20+%
i CALLED THIS CRASH EXACTLY I WAS NOT WRONG YOU ARE TOO CULTED TO UNDERSTAND PLEASE GO ALL IN NOW PLEASE
“Don’t be a panicat,” one says sheepishly. “Panican,” another corrects. This is a new derogatory term for anyone worried about the dwindling contents of their retirement accounts.
The kids are standing feet from the century-old blast marks of the 1920 Wall Street bombing, when anarchists, determined to kill the market—literally and figuratively—murdered 30 people with 100 pounds of dynamite and a quarter-ton of cast-iron shrapnel. The irony is lost on the college kids. They say anyone afraid of the stock market is “gay.”
I don't know how accurate the quote is but, an interesting concept. Obvious to me that this is an opportunity to move, change or stay with investment strategies and make a bundle in the stock market, just have to be involved in the right stocks.
I believe there will be more ups and downs to this but, the world wants access to our markets. While many think they have to have products from foreign producers, I sincerely doubt that's true with the exception of a lot of our prescription drugs. Most of which I'm told are manufactured in China. Just about everything else we do need can still be procured through American sources. Although, admittedly there are a lot of parts for "things" manufactured overseas. We've got to retool and start building stuff here. We really don't need Canadian Oil or whiskey we have our own and other sources. Way too many of our automobiles are assembled up north and in Mexico, we need to bring that manufacturing back to the states. Mexico offers a lot of our agricultural products but, those can be procured else where.
DJT has a plan and it appears to be working. Dedicated naysayers will deny this and attempt to distract with comments but, this is a great economic policy other Presidents should have taken decades ago and were apparently afraid of the dark.
Rams
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Originally posted by ray b: i HAVE NOT WORKED A JOB PASSED AGE 50 IN 2000 WHEN I RETIRED
YOU ?
Me ? I worked till I was 65, because I liked to. If I could, I would go back to work in the oil fields today. One can work and invest at the same time.
One doesn't have to wonder much if, one simply opens their mind.
Rams
But this is not the point of the tariffs. It is there to prevent other countries from flooding their market with cheap goods from another country. This is to protect the local producer - it is hard to compete against XYZ when they are selling their product for half the cost of what they can sell theirs for.
But this is not the point of the tariffs. It is there to prevent other countries from flooding their market with cheap goods from another country. This is to protect the local producer - it is hard to compete against XYZ when they are selling their product for half the cost of what they can sell theirs for.
Agreed. Only posted that because a member keeps posting losses on the stock market. But, this thread was started in reference to the Stock Market.
Stolen from FB:
My thoughts are that some might enjoy it, some may not.
Rams
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What part of "Communism. We tried that. It failed." does the left wing not get?
Jeez, Ray. You're slipping.
NEVER SLIPPED NOT EVEN A BIT
I WANT REGULATED CAPITALISM NOT EVER A REAL SOCIALIST EVEN
JUST BY THE DEMENTED STANDARDS RWNJ'S BUT THAT IS NOT RATIONAL OR ACCURATE
SADLY THE RIGHTWING GOING TOTALLY NUTS TRYING TO TRASH WORLD TRADE AND MARKET VALUES AND DOING IT QUICKLY WITHOUT A CLEAR PLAN WHAT LOOKS TO BE A THROW IT AT THE WALL AND LETS SEE WHAT STICKS ? IS NUTS AND FOLLOWS THE 1929-30 SCRIPT THAT CAUSED THE BIG-ONE
We have hundreds of years of economic data demonstrating, beyond any serious doubt, that tariffs are a tax on the domestic economy. They don’t “stick it” to the exporting country—they hurt domestic businesses that rely on trade, and they raise costs for domestic consumers. That’s basic economics, and is also why centrally-planned economies have always lagged behind their free-market-embracing contemporaries.
The strength of the U.S. economy lies in its foundation of open markets, not in mirroring the tactics of centrally controlled economies. If we claim that punitive tariffs improve our economy, we're implicitly arguing that China’s model—low labor rights and tight central control—has been right all along. That's absurd.
And let’s be clear: Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs” aren’t actually reciprocal. They're not based on matching other countries’ tariff schedules—they're pegged to trade deficits. That’s not reciprocity; that’s economic retaliation based on a fundamentally flawed understanding of how trade works.
This is not “free market” behavior, it's command-economy behavior. It’s exactly the kind of policy you’d expect from a centrally planned system—just wrapped in populist rhetoric. If people want to embrace CCP-style economics, that’s their prerogative—but dragging the U.S. in that direction under the guise of ‘toughness’ just erodes our actual economic strength.
...but at least it comes with fun red hats.
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The end result of the imposed tariffs will most definitely affect the price of those "imported" products thusly decreasing public purchasing and result in less sales for foreign producers in countries that do not (apparently) agree with free trade. I can think of very few foreign made products that I and most folks actually need. Countries that have historically placed high tariffs on US products result in less production and sales of US products.
The end result of the imposed tariffs will most definitely affect the price of those "imported" products thusly decreasing public purchasing and result in less sales for foreign producers in countries that do not (apparently) agree with free trade. I can think of very few foreign made products that I and most folks actually need. Countries that have historically placed high tariffs on US products result in less production and sales of US products.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Rams
NO AND YOU DO NOT GOOSE THE GANDER
AND HE IS DUCKING IT UP BIG TIME
TIME TO TO STOP HIM ANY WAY THEY CAN AT ANY COST NOW WHY AIN'T YOU DOING THAT ?
Originally posted by NewDustin: We have hundreds of years of economic data demonstrating, beyond any serious doubt, that tariffs are a tax on the domestic economy. They don’t “stick it” to the exporting country—they hurt domestic businesses that rely on trade, and they raise costs for domestic consumers. That’s basic economics, and is also why centrally-planned economies have always lagged behind their free-market-embracing contemporaries.
So says you.
If tariffs are a tax on the economy, why did we replace tariffs for taxes in 1862 ? If tariffs are a tax on domestic economies, why does everybody tariff us ?
A tariff is a weapon, a soft weapon. Which can be yielded in many ways. I think I should have said "used" in many ways.
The "economy" ? A catch all term for sure. Bartering is also economy, with no taxes or tariffs. I would call it free market.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: The strength of the U.S. economy lies in its foundation of open markets, not in mirroring the tactics of centrally controlled economies. If we claim that punitive tariffs improve our economy, we're implicitly arguing that China’s model—low labor rights and tight central control—has been right all along. That's absurd.
I am unsure what a centrally controlled economy is. Does that mean I have rules and regulations of how I can make and spend my money ?
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Originally posted by NewDustin: And let’s be clear: Trump’s “reciprocal tariffs” aren’t actually reciprocal. They're not based on matching other countries’ tariff schedules—they're pegged to trade deficits. That’s not reciprocity; that’s economic retaliation based on a fundamentally flawed understanding of how trade works.
Oh, do tell. How does trade work ? To me it's simple. An agreement between two parties. Ruck the tariffs, ruck the taxes. That would be free trade.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: This is not “free market” behavior, it's command-economy behavior. It’s exactly the kind of policy you’d expect from a centrally planned system—just wrapped in populist rhetoric. If people want to embrace CCP-style economics, that’s their prerogative—but dragging the U.S. in that direction under the guise of ‘toughness’ just erodes our actual economic strength.
I confess, and profess, I know nothing about economic theory. Except, I always have beer money and do have an 800+ credit rating.
What is a CCP style economy ? I do not imagine their populous enriches the government, WE are their economy. WE have leverage.
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Originally posted by NewDustin: ...but at least it comes with fun red hats.
I am unsure what a centrally controlled economy is.
Socialism... where the government controls the economy. We're basically almost there with the fact that (until Trump came in), the Government was responsible for over 30% of the economic output... which is horrendous.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Socialism... where the government controls the economy. We're basically almost there with the fact that (until Trump came in), the Government was responsible for over 30% of the economic output... which is horrendous.
OWNERSHIP IS THE BIT YOU MISS
STOPPING UNLIMITED CAPITALISM FROM DOING WRONG IS NOT REAL SOCIALISM
RUMPESTS WANT UNLIMITED POLLUTION TO MAKE MORE MONEY
...just one thing to consider - China holds $760 Billion of the US debt...what happens if they should decide they no longer want it and want to be paid out?
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...just one thing to consider - China holds $760 Billion of the US debt...what happens if they should decide they no longer want it and want to be paid out?
They would have to sell the bonds to someone else. The bonds are not pay on demand.
It would still be a bad thing...but US Treasury bonds are the best government issued bonds out there. China would be the loser in the deal.
They would have to sell the bonds to someone else. The bonds are not pay on demand.
It would still be a bad thing...but US Treasury bonds are the best government issued bonds out there. China would be the loser in the deal.
THE SUPPLY DEMAND THING IS A CLASS B-WITCH LIKELY WE CAN HAVE DID AND WILL BUY OUR OWN DEBTS NOT MAGIC BUT TRICKS THAT WORK FOR A WHILE
THE BIG DANGER IS THE '' WORLDS SAFE MONEY IDEA'' OUR BIG EXPORT IS GREEN BACK DOLLARS IF THE RUMP SCREWS THE ALLIED NATIONS AND THE DOLLAR IS NOT SEEN AS THE SAFEST THEN WE DO NOT LOOK LIKE THE BEST PLACE FOR MONEY BITCOIN MAYBE ? GOLD ? ART ? BASEBALL CARDS ? OIL FUTURES ?
POINT IS MESSING WITH OUR DOLLARS VALUE IN TRADE IS NUTS WE ARE THE STANDARD IT AIN'T BROKE [yet]
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