That's not bad for ten seconds worth of research. Hope you didn't exhaust yourself. However, that gentle quick wave by Tim Waltz hardly comes close to the very enthusiastic whatever it was that Elon Musk performed.
Perspective, again perspective. Seeing what you want to see. I don't really care, the NAZI salute perspective could apply to both or neither. Can't have it both ways.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: No one actually believes this nonsense. The entire South was DEMOCRAT until around the year 2000. There was a gradual shift to Republican starting in the late 90s until today... some of the south is STILL Democrat. You're not fooling anyone.
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I suspect that Elon Musk is simply a bit off his rocker, but people can draw their own conclusions at his odd behavior.
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Originally posted by Cliff Pennock:
Musk’s gesture doesn’t match a Hitler salute in many key ways. He placed his hand on his heart before extending it, and he immediately brought his hand down after the motion. The Hitler salute, by contrast, required keeping the arm extended in a rigid position. Straight and forward.
Yet, it was close enough for ultra right wing groups to get orgasmic over it.
Nope, I'm sorry Ray, you know this to be fact too. The entire South was Democrat until around the year 2000. From say, 1997-2005 the "South" began to shift Republican.
In the state of Florida, the entire state was SOLID blue, with every Governor being a Democrat until Jeb Bush. Before then, there'd been only two Republicans in the entire history of the state, and both times, the only reason why they won is because the Democrat who had previously been in office either resigned from corruption or something else. When I moved to South Florida in 1996, the entire state was SOLID blue... SOLID BLUE Ray. The KKK was still alive and well in the town of Davie (which is where I had moved), and they were still sending pamphlets and leaving them in people's mailboxes. Nearly all our congressmen were Democrat, and if I remember correctly, both Senators were Democrat.
The entire South looked like that as well. Pick your state Ray...
North Carolina... still blue, only three Republicans in the last 150 years.
Georgia... elected it's FIRST Republican Governor in 2003... before then, every single Governor in the history of the state was a Democrat except for the Republican that was FORCED in there after the Confederate army was defeated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...governors_of_Georgia
Arkansas... basically turned red in 1996 with Governor Huckabee, and other than one Republican a couple of terms before that, it was SOLID blue for over 100 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...overnors_of_Arkansas
Ray... the Democrats are absolutely horrible people... they always have been. Every single horrible thing that's happened in the history of the United States... literally every single bad thing, was at the direction of Democrats, by Democrats, or from Democrats. That is literally the history of the Democrat party.
The only good Democrats... John F. Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy... well, they were both shot by radical leftists.
TDS IS 100% YOUR DELUDED CULT MEMBERS WE ARE NOT IN A CULT THOSE WHO SEE THE RUMP LIES ARE NOT TDS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE RUMP ARE THE CULT WITH TDS
Please stop referring to this TDS like it's a real thing. You spend all this time defending a politician for his actions and then if anyone pushes back on it you simply call it TDS. It's all a bit too convenient and rather fascist in nature. Anyone using the term TDS LIKE THAT is in fact a bootlicker.
TDS IS 100% YOUR DELUDED CULT MEMBERS WE ARE NOT IN A CULT THOSE WHO SEE THE RUMP LIES ARE NOT TDS THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE RUMP ARE THE CULT WITH TDS
Please stop referring to this TDS like it's a real thing. You spend all this time defending a politician for his actions and then if anyone pushes back on it you simply call it TDS. It's all a bit too convenient and rather fascist in nature. Anyone using the term TDS LIKE THAT is in fact a bootlicker.
A few things:
1 - Your Britannica post about the "Southern Strategy" literally conflicts with your theory that the two parties magically "switched sides." The Southern Strategy was literally to be ... sound just a little bit racist, but far less racist than the Democrats were, and they could win over some of those votes in the deep south. It was successful, and the Republicans have been able to dramatically reduce racism and bigotry from the Democrats over a generation. But I'm glad that you're now finally admitting that the Democrats weren't actually Republicans and somehow magically switched sides... because, to be honest... it was confusing since apparently the Democrats were still Democrat under FDR, but not immediately after because then the Democrats were racists, so they were actually Republican, and then under WW2, the Democrats were Democrats again, except not when we were interring the Japanese into camps. And then they switched back again really quick during education desegregation, so it was really the Republicans were against it, and then quickly switched back again when they elected JFK, but switched immediately again... and then back again. I could never really keep track of how that worked...
Nope, I'm sorry Ray, you know this to be fact too. The entire South was Democrat until around the year 2000. From say, 1997-2005 the "South" began to shift Republican.
In the state of Florida, the entire state was SOLID blue, with every Governor being a Democrat until Jeb Bush. Before then, there'd been only two Republicans in the entire history of the state, and both times, the only reason why they won is because the Democrat who had previously been in office either resigned from corruption or something else. When I moved to South Florida in 1996, the entire state was SOLID blue... SOLID BLUE Ray. The KKK was still alive and well in the town of Davie (which is where I had moved), and they were still sending pamphlets and leaving them in people's mailboxes. Nearly all our congressmen were Democrat, and if I remember correctly, both Senators were Democrat.
The entire South looked like that as well. Pick your state Ray...
North Carolina... still blue, only three Republicans in the last 150 years.
Georgia... elected it's FIRST Republican Governor in 2003... before then, every single Governor in the history of the state was a Democrat except for the Republican that was FORCED in there after the Confederate army was defeated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...governors_of_Georgia
Arkansas... basically turned red in 1996 with Governor Huckabee, and other than one Republican a couple of terms before that, it was SOLID blue for over 100 years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...overnors_of_Arkansas
Ray... the Democrats are absolutely horrible people... they always have been. Every single horrible thing that's happened in the history of the United States... literally every single bad thing, was at the direction of Democrats, by Democrats, or from Democrats. That is literally the history of the Democrat party.
The only good Democrats... John F. Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy... well, they were both shot by radical leftists.
THE ARAB WAS A RELIGIOUS NUT-CON NOT A LEFT ANYTHING LEE WAS A CIA SPY/PUPPET/DUPE SO NO LEFT NO RADICAL JUST NUT-CONS
so no we can't believe you you are totally TDS
BUT I AGREE THE DEMO ARE SCUMBAGS
I JUST IN A NON CULT WAY UNDERSTAND THE Gop ARE FAR FAR WORSE
DEMO SCREW UP BUT LACK THE EVIL PLANS THAT IS THE Gop SOUL/GOAL
WE DO NOT LOVE LIES OR LYING SCUM WHO SAY THINGS WE LIKE
YOUR SIDE DOES NIXON IS THE CORE OF THE Gop JIMMY IS THE CORE DEMO sure he screwed up but was not evil nixon raygun BuSh2 and rump are all evil and do evil it takes TDS to support evil just as a belief is required for good people to support evil
there were good people in the Gop but the evil ones called them RINO'S
AGAIN THE DEMOS CAN SCREW UP BUT LACK THE SCALE OF THE Gop TO DO WRONG TRUMP IS NOT SAFE OR SANE CONSTITUTION IS OUR ONLY HOPE WITH HIM
SEC OF DEFENSE IS A MAGA DEI HIRE clear sign of the rump's delusions fox news drunken crazy boy to save the free world what could go wrong he is MAGA THAT IS THE PROBLEM others are bad that one the far worse so far
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: A few things:
1 - Your Britannica post about the "Southern Strategy" literally conflicts with your theory that the two parties magically "switched sides." The Southern Strategy was literally to be ... sound just a little bit racist, but far less racist than the Democrats were, and they could win over some of those votes in the deep south. It was successful, and the Republicans have been able to dramatically reduce racism and bigotry from the Democrats over a generation. But I'm glad that you're now finally admitting that the Democrats weren't actually Republicans and somehow magically switched sides... because, to be honest... it was confusing since apparently the Democrats were still Democrat under FDR, but not immediately after because then the Democrats were racists, so they were actually Republican, and then under WW2, the Democrats were Democrats again, except not when we were interring the Japanese into camps. And then they switched back again really quick during education desegregation, so it was really the Republicans were against it, and then quickly switched back again when they elected JFK, but switched immediately again... and then back again. I could never really keep track of how that worked...
RUMPS BOOT YOU CAN'T SEE IT ???? THE CULT HAS TDS TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY TO THE CORE
DUDE I WAS IN THE Gop IN 64 CIVIL RIGHTS SHIFT BEGAN WITH DIXIECRATS IN 47
the swap was never total or complete slow creep of creeps from the most racist at first to indies then in to the new souths Gop
big push was LBJ's laws plus the courts ending seg in schools I see you spinning hard about stuff before you were born to an old guy who went to Detroit mix schools and fla seg schools until 65 and was aware real time of the battle and the shifting sides over 10 years and who supported what when you have been lied to by your cult and repeat the lies here yes it was complicated and messy I lived it
I'm not trying to be mean Ray, but I can't read any of this that you posted above.
The only thing I can assume is "disagree." But I look at this wall of random half-sentences, and I really don't know what to do with it. I feel like an ass even saying that... but I can't make sense of any of this that you've written.
Yet, it was close enough for ultra right wing groups to get orgasmic over it.
Here's some facts:
- Elon Musk was not doing a "Heil Hitler" wave. - There is a very small and insignificant number of racist people that exist in this country, and they have access to the internet. - The "left" clearly knows that Elon Musk didn't do a "Heil Hitler" wave, but are mad at the election results, and this is a way to hurt Elon who they view as having supported him.
Guilt by involuntary association. What a novel idea. So if some disreputable person or group likes something you did or said, however they interpret it is how you meant it. You no longer have any say in the meaning of your words and actions.
While that is an interesting concept, I think the stupidity of it speaks for itself.
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Anyone believing any of those waves are NAZI salutes is full of I'm almost embarrassed for them. I'm also not a huge fan of Musk.
Rams
This, 100% Does it look like a Nazi salute? Sure, until you watch it in context and remember it's from the same guy who gets excited and jumps around like this:
And when you reeeeally pick at it...Elon Musk is someone who has done an excellent job of making self-serving decisions. What on Earth would he have to gain by such an action that would have (and has had) such negative consequences? It doesn't make sense, and it's as close to actual 'Derangement Syndrome' as I've seen.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: - The "left" clearly knows that Elon Musk didn't do a "Heil Hitler" wave, but are mad at the election results, and this is a way to hurt Elon who they view as having supported him.
I'm not trying to be mean Ray, but I can't read any of this that you posted above.
The only thing I can assume is "disagree." But I look at this wall of random half-sentences, and I really don't know what to do with it. I feel like an ass even saying that... but I can't make sense of any of this that you've written.
just a cult victim you can't process data that conflicts with you delusions
sorry you can't understand real events
I see a direct line old souths demo to KKK to nixon to raygun to bushes to the rump same ideas and ideals white power privileges same fear driven BS as the 60's deseg BS with new code words same us vs them same fear and hate new other
same leopards hungry for your face
we have heard this crapiey before far to often but regressives do love reruns
typical Gop post no info but lies for the cause ABOUT SOMETHING THEY FEEL BUT HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF
I was but became discussed with racists who were joining kirk the jerk was elected in 66 was the final straw the old souths Gop were more liberal before the swap just as the demo were racist BEFORE 65 BUT THEY LEFT THE DEMO'S
BTW IT IS NOT A DEMAND TO HATE JEWS YOUR SIDE HATES GAYS AND IMMIGRANTS AND THE HOMELESS UNIONS AND A LONG LIST OTHER TELLS HATE IS REQUIRED WHO THEY HATE IS AN OPTION
BTW I SEE THE ZIONIST AS FASCIST ESP WHEN DEALING WITH THEIR NATIVE ARABS
AND NO ONE SAID WHO IN THE RUMP REICH IS THE MOST FASCIST THAT WAS THE Q YOU ALL DODGE NOT WHO WAVES THE BEST HAND WAVE
BTW IT IS NOT A DEMAND TO HATE JEWS YOUR SIDE HATES GAYS AND IMMIGRANTS AND THE HOMELESS UNIONS AND A LONG LIST OTHER TELLS HATE IS REQUIRED WHO THEY HATE IS AN OPTION
BTW I SEE THE ZIONIST AS FASCIST ESP WHEN DEALING WITH THEIR NATIVE ARABS
AND NO ONE SAID WHO IN THE RUMP REICH IS THE MOST FASCIST THAT WAS THE Q YOU ALL DODGE NOT WHO WAVES THE BEST HAND WAVE
It would be fascinating to see where you get your information on current events....
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
first they came for the illegal immigrants claiming they were just after the criminals
but took who ever they found convicted or just charged or suspected
First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
first they came for the illegal immigrants claiming they were just after the criminals
but took who ever they found convicted or just charged or suspected
...
Then they came after the MAGA.
ray b, they are after the illegal alien criminals. If some other illegal gets caught up in the raid, what are they supposed to do with an illegal ? If the sanctuary city would just honor ICE Detainers, law abiding illegal immigrants would not get caught up in the sweeps. Anyone charged or suspected ? They are still illegal.
Originally posted by ray b: LOCAL COPS ARE HUNTING HOMELESS
hoping some are illegal all part of the pack the jails for the rump
Source ? The local cops are not ICE agents, who are rooting out criminal illegal aliens. We do not want to pack the jails with them and pay for their care. We want them the hell out of the USA.
Do you want them here ?
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First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me
first they came for the illegal immigrants claiming they were just after the criminals
but took who ever they found convicted or just charged or suspected
...
Martin Niemöller wouldn't like you at all.
He was a Lutheran Pastor... A man of God...A Christian
You are a hate filled religious bigot.
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He was a Lutheran Pastor... A man of God...A Christian
You are a hate filled religious bigot.
I have little use for those who prey on others like he did do he was a nazi early on but got better CHRISTIAN NAZI SURE LOTS OF THEM only wrote the poem AFTER THE WAR
the bigots are the Gop who support the rumps hate and fears of others
btw the I called for free pass to all native americans no old worlders just the people who had their lands stolen by invading euro's
rump wants to deport all of them perhaps inc those born here
how did your bro's insurance fraud go was he paid for parking motor home on a know to flood site ?
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Originally posted by ray b: the bigots are the Gop who support the rumps hate and fears of others
Those that voted for Trump have no hate, or fears.
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Originally posted by ray b: btw the I called for free pass to all native americans no old worlders just the people who had their lands stolen by invading euro's
Where did the so called native Americans get the land ?
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I'm almost embarrassed for them. 
