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Some Democrats may be starting to figure out why America voted the way it did. by blackrams
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It appears that a few Dems are figuring out one of the reasons the Biden/Harris agenda was voted down in the most recent election. My guess is that once the President Elect and the new Congress is in office, others will eventually see the light when federal funds stop coming in paying for the Illegal Immigrants.

'They are fed up': Dem mayor's office demands solution on key issue after voters sent 'resounding message'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...4e191d79f85783&ei=30
 
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In response to the Biden administration loosening key immigration restrictions, a spokesperson for New York City Mayor Eric Adams sounded off on the federal government, saying that New Yorkers and Americans are "fed up with our broken immigration system."

The Biden Department of Homeland Security is launching an ICE Portal app in December that will allow migrants to skip their in-person check-ins at an ICE office and instead check in with immigration officials via an app on a phone or computer.

The app reportedly has severe glitching issues and does not track a migrant's location if he or she is using an Android phone or laptop. Further, the app does not check migrants for past arrests or outstanding warrants and allows them to opt out of or contest government orders to undergo electronic tracking.

This comes after the Biden administration set the record for the highest number of illegal migrants entering the country in a single year in 2023, with 3.2 million entries. This surpassed the previous record of 2.7 million set the year before.

Adams has said that New York, which has seen over 220,000 migrants arrive in the city since spring 2022, has been "devastated" by the surge of migrants.

Kayla Altus, a spokesperson for Adams, told Fox News Digital that "cities should not have to carry the cost and burden of a national problem."

"For decades, Washington has endlessly talked about comprehensive reform, but delivered nothing of substance," she said. "This election, the American people sent a resounding message: they are fed up with our broken immigration system."

She said the election, which saw a blowout victory for former President Trump and Republicans gaining unified control of Congress, gave the federal government a clear mandate to fix the immigration problem.

"Democrats and Republicans must come together to pass meaningful immigration reform for the first time in four decades," she said. "That is what’s best for the American people, as well as the immigrants who come here, seeking the opportunity to build a better life and have a shot at the American Dream."

Down in the border city of Laredo, Texas, Mayor Victor Trevino told Fox News Digital that he is working with state and Mexican authorities to prepare for the possibility of another migrant surge before Trump takes office.

He said that although the city currently has "adequate" resources for everyday legal crossings, "no community is equipped enough to handle unnatural surges."

Trevino noted that the city is not equipped for a surge in migrant children as Laredo "does not have a pediatric intensive care unit."

Steven Camarota, director of research at the Center for Immigration Studies, told Fox News Digital that other sanctuary cities like Chicago, Los Angeles and Denver are also struggling with the fiscal costs of the migrant surge. He said that in many instances, illegal migrants are even crowding out resources meant for citizens.

Camarota pointed to testimony he gave to the House Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs in September, in which he listed the fiscal costs to individual sanctuary cities: $12 billion in New York over the next three years on housing, food, health care and other services for recently arrived illegal immigrants, $361 million in Chicago and $36.4 million in Washington, D.C., in 2023, and $180 million in Denver in 2024.

"The real policy that would save the cities’ money is robust enforcement that both increased removals, made people go home, and encourage people to go home on their own," he said. "If you're increasing removals and you've increased just normal outmigration, you could really cut into these numbers and start to save some real money."

Jessica Vaughan, who works as director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, told Fox News Digital that while the murder of nursing student Laken Riley by an illegal immigrant has garnered lots of attention, she said that tragic stories like that are not isolated but rather part of a larger patten.

"Only ICE knows for sure how often someone who's released by a sanctuary has been subsequently arrested for another crime," she said. "There's a human cost to the sanctuary policies and there is no reasonable law enforcement or public safety or even community trust justification for having this policy. It is political and it has to stop."


I would still support sending every "Illegal/Undocumented Aliens" back to Mexico, not the country of origin. Mexico helped facilitate this problem, let them handle it.
It doesn't seem to matter when it comes to crimes against individuals to get politicians attention but, money most surely does.

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Originally posted by blackrams:

It appears that a few Dems are figuring out one of the reasons the Biden/Harris agenda was voted down in the most recent election. My guess is that once the President Elect and the new Congress is in office, others will eventually see the light when federal funds stop coming in paying for the Illegal Immigrants.

'They are fed up': Dem mayor's office demands solution on key issue after voters sent 'resounding message'

https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...4e191d7 9f85783&ei=30

I would still support sending every "Illegal/Undocumented Aliens" back to Mexico, not the country of origin. Mexico helped facilitate this problem, let them handle it.
It doesn't seem to matter when it comes to crimes against individuals to get politicians attention but, money most surely does.




Yeah, it's tough... because I'm sure many of them are or want to be hard working, so I'm torn. But they came here illegally, and the Democrats facilitated it. How many people died as a result? Either crimes committed here in the US, or people dying along the way?

The problem is that we're paying for it...


God, you know... when I look at all the crazy things Democrats have said over the past 4 years.

- Remember when Democrats said the national debt didn't matter, because we can just print more money? And they were serious? Republicans have been just as bad at money management, but it's crazy that we got to that point.

- Remember when Democrats said that crime wasn't being caused by illegal immigrants? And then when that was proven wrong, many states with the worst crime stopped tracking it and reporting it, so the FBI said crime had gone down, and people believed it?

- Remember when Democrats told us that these "caravans" coming across the border were being over-exaggerated, and that it was the right-wing media making them out to be something they weren't? And... they didn't start paying attention until Governor Greg Abbot started bussing them to liberal states?

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Yeah, it's tough... because I'm sure many of them are or want to be hard working, so I'm torn. But they came here illegally, and the Democrats facilitated it. How many people died as a result? Either crimes committed here in the US, or people dying along the way?

The problem is that we're paying for it...


God, you know... when I look at all the crazy things Democrats have said over the past 4 years.

- Remember when Democrats said the national debt didn't matter, because we can just print more money? And they were serious? Republicans have been just as bad at money management, but it's crazy that we got to that point.

- Remember when Democrats said that crime wasn't being caused by illegal immigrants? And then when that was proven wrong, many states with the worst crime stopped tracking it and reporting it, so the FBI said crime had gone down, and people believed it?

- Remember when Democrats told us that these "caravans" coming across the border were being over-exaggerated, and that it was the right-wing media making them out to be something they weren't? And... they didn't start paying attention until Governor Greg Abbot started bussing them to liberal states?


Yes, I remember.

I'm still waiting for those who supported the Biden/Harris agenda to stand up and volunteer to take some of these Biden/Harris invitees into their own homes. I also remember when an illegal alien invaded and tried to kill Pelosi's husband. While certainly a slightly different situation, the attacker was still here in blatant disregard to our Immigration Policies. Yet, the folks were horrified at the crime but, little was mentioned about the attackers immigration status.

I'll be impressed when those supporting the policies of Biden/Harris take a few of those illegal aliens into their own homes and start supporting them on their paychecks and not mine.

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Originally linked by blackrams:
... others will eventually see the light when federal funds stop coming in paying for the Illegal Immigrants.


The perfect way to implement self deportation.

'They are fed up': Dem mayor's office demands solution on key issue after voters sent 'resounding message'

 
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York City Mayor Eric Adams sounded off on the federal government, saying that New Yorkers and Americans are "fed up with our broken immigration system."


York City Mayor Eric Adams might be able to speak for New Yorkers but he does not speak for me.

Broken immigration system ? What a tired phrase. What is broken about it ?

 
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Kayla Altus, a spokesperson for Adams, told Fox News Digital that "cities should not have to carry the cost and burden of a national problem."

"For decades, Washington has endlessly talked about comprehensive reform, but delivered nothing of substance," she said. "This election, the American people sent a resounding message: they are fed up with our broken immigration system."


What do they think would be something of substance ? They want amnesty and allow all illegal aliens to be granted American citizenship.


 
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Kayla Altus, a spokesperson for Adams, said the election, which saw a blowout victory for former President Trump and Republicans gaining unified control of Congress, gave the federal government a clear mandate to fix the immigration problem.

"Democrats and Republicans must come together to pass meaningful immigration reform for the first time in four decades," she said. "That is what’s best for the American people, as well as the immigrants who come here, seeking the opportunity to build a better life and have a shot at the American Dream."


Meaningful immigration reform would be to deny anyone immigration status for ten years if they entered illegally.

Que the "think of the children" argument. Cry me a river. Children have been separated from their parents by illegal aliens. They more often come here without them.
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I think almost everyone knows why America voted the way it did... but there are many people for which PRIDE becomes an issue. There are a lot of people who are "team sports" kind of people, and will always vote Democrat because that's their personality... it's become who they are... and policy doesn't really matter so much as their team wins.

But I think everyone, even people here who don't want to admit it... know that:

- Changing the whole world to fit the narrative of the T in LGBT, and the left's support for the whole MAP thing has gone way too far.
- The horrendous economic posturing of the left by intentionally using the power of the government to shift policy (EVs, green energy, etc.) rather than doing it the right way.
- Horrendous foreign policy (there are multiple wars going on, and we've abandoned multiple military bases in several countries).
- Absolutely disastrous border policies
- Even worse energy policies

... I could almost go on forever. There is a near-infinite number of just disastrous decisions the Democrats have made. The fact that Trump won, is a double-blow to these people... because they know they're in the wrong, and now this person that exemplifies absolutely everything about WHY they're wrong (and calls them out on it), while being a flawed individual himself, is just so incredibly painful for them.


Trump is the bazooka when you need a scalpel, but it's going to work... there will be a lot of cracked eggs, and a lot of butt hurt, but things are going to go well. The news will be crazy, with a lot of people posturing. The hard-left won't change... they'll get more exasperated and desperate, but it seems like everyone is desperate to get in Trump's good graces. None of them expected Trump would win when they said and did the things they did after 2020. Like Zuckerberg, for example... there's going to be a lot of Romney-esq dinner dates where Trump orders for them and tells them how it's going to be. It's going to be a lot of fun.
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there's going to be a lot of Romney-esq dinner dates where Trump orders for them and tells them how it's going to be. It's going to be a lot of fun.


Not 'going to be'..it already is.
Watching the line of those hurriedly traveling to Mar-a-Lago to bend the knee, profess fealty and kiss the ring is funny as hell.
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Not 'going to be'..it already is.
Watching the line of those hurriedly traveling to Mar-a-Lago to bend the knee, profess fealty and kiss the ring is funny as hell.


It certainly is amusing.
Hypocrisy at its finest, brought to you by the acolytes of the 'Progressive' news media.
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I always enjoy reading about those who state emphatically that if so and so wins, they will leave the country. While an extremely small number have done so, the vast majority are still here whining about the loss. I just wish those on the View would pack up and take their fans with them to any country they think agrees with their positions. I'm thinking they won't stay there long.

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Watching the line of those hurriedly traveling to Mar-a-Lago to bend the knee, profess fealty and kiss the ring is funny as hell.


It is funny. You'd think Trump's cabinet picks would have some gumption... but then, he wouldn't select anyone who'd stand up to him.

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It is funny. You'd think Trump's cabinet picks would have some gumption... but then, he wouldn't pick anyone who'd stand up to him.



Seriously? Why would a Cabinet Pick stand against someone they agreed with? While you and a minority of US citizens may not agree with DJT, the majority of US voters and the cabinet choices are pretty much on the same sheet of music.

I doubt I'll agree with everything DJT wants to do but, I sure as hell disagreed with the Biden/Harris Administration on just about everything they did or wanted to do. No way I wanted more of the same.

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Why would a Cabinet Pick stand against someone they agreed with?


That's just it, they wouldn't... and that's exactly what Trump wants... to be surrounded by yes-men.

I wonder if that lunatic Paula White will be back in the fold.

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That's just it, they wouldn't... and that's exactly what Trump wants... to be surrounded by yes-men.

I wonder if that lunatic Paula White will be back in the fold.

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Different Perspectives between yourself and the majority of US Voters is all I can say.

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That's just it, they wouldn't... and that's exactly what Trump wants... to be surrounded by yes-men.


Grasping for straws ?

What 'no-men' did Biden have ? What 'no-men' does Trudeau have ?
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Grasping for straws ?

What 'no-men' did Biden have ? What 'no-men' does Trudeau have ?


Excellent point Cliff. Show me any leader that selects a nominee who doesn't share the same vision as the leader..................

Even if the leader did select someone who didn't agree with that vision, they would still tow the line if, they wanted to keep their job.

The "Yes Man" allegation is pure and we all know it.

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Something I may have mentioned previously (not sure, please confirm).

Is Trudeau undermining Canada's role in NATO?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/n...7be651&ei=93#image=4

 
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Speaking at the NATO Parliamentary Assembly's annual meeting in Montreal on November 25th, Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau affirmed Canada's commitment to meeting its obligations to the defense alliance.

Canada has been the target of considerable criticism in recent months for its inability to reach the 2% defense spending target that all NATO allied countries have signed onto doing as part of the alliance.

“We are on a clear path to reach two percent in the coming years because we know that the world is changing and Canada, along with our allies, needs to be ready for it,” Trudeau told assembly members according to Global News.

According to Global News, Canada one of the eight-member states out of a total of thirty-two that has yet to meet NATO's 2% spending target, it is a figure Trudeau has previously promised Ottawa would hit soon. However, this isn't likely if a recent report on the issue is to be believed.

Canada’s relationship with its NATO allies has been deteriorating in recent months after the federal government failed to provide a plan for how Ottawa planned to meet NATO’s member state defense spending target.

The Washington-based think tank Heritage Foundation noted that Western European nations have long drawn criticism for not working to meet the 2% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP) defense spending target NATO member states agreed to work towards in 2014.

Canada currently spends a meager 1.37% of its GDP on defense spending, far below the 2% spending threshold demanded by NATO despite having the sixth largest economy in NATO.

“Canada is more than capable of meeting its obligations and has done so before,” The Heritage Foundation noted. “Canada’s continued underinvestment leaves its NATO obligations unmet and weakens the overall defense of both the alliance as a whole and the North American continent."

In April 2024, Canada released its latest national security policy which revealed that the federal government planned to spend 1.76% of the country’s GDP on defense spending by 2029-2023.

However, Canada’s spending plan under its new national defense policy was criticized by its allies, especially the U.S., and for good reason. CTV News noted in an October 30th article just how badly Ottawa was failing its NATO allies.

“All 32 NATO allies have agreed to spend at least that amount on defense, but Canada is one of the only nations that has not presented a plan to reach the target,” CTV News reported, noting 23 allies will meet the 2% spending target by the end of 2024.

In June 2024, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau pledged that Canada would meet NATO’s 2% spending target by 2032. However, hitting that target would require a near-doubling of the country’s current defense spending according to the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO).

“We can say with confidence and assurance that we will hit the 2-percent spending mark by 2032,” Trudeau explained during a press conference at the 2024 Washington Summit according to Politico.

“Allies have been pleased to hear that we have a plan and a timeline to get to the 2 percent, but mostly they’re interested and excited about the kinds of investments we’re making,” Trudeau also said. However, Canada isn’t likely to meet Trudeau’s pledge.

In a report published by the PBO) on October 30th, it noted that Canada’s defense spending would need to reach $81.9 billion by 2032-2033 to meet its NATO obligation, far higher than the $57.8 billion it is forecasted to reach in 2029-2030.

“This is a significant increase in defense spending and is a major step forward in our effort to reach 2% of GDP, as agreed by NATO members at the Vilnius Summit in 2023,” Canada’s ‘Our North, Strong and Free: A Renewed Vision for Canada’s Defence' national defense policy plan read.

The Parliamentary Budget Office also reported figures in Ottawa’s new national defense policy were “based on an erroneous GDP forecast” and when adjusted showed that Canada is only likely to allocate 1.58% of its GDP on defense spending in 2029-2030.

“Using PBO GDP figures, which are broadly in line with the Department of Finance and other independent sources, the recalculated forecast places defense spending at just 1.58 percent of GDP by 2029-30,” the report explained.

The report also noted that Canada is expected to spend $41 billion on defense in the 2024 fiscal year. CTV News noted that Trudeau has yet to provide a plan on how his government will meet his pledge to NATO.


Canada needs to get off the wagon and start pulling its own weight. Riding the coat tails of the US and other fully contributing countries is not going to cut it. But admittedly, there are other countries not pulling their load also. But, as once claimed to be the #1 trading country to the US, the US has a right to be pissed that Canada isn't pulling it's share of the load.

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It is funny. You'd think Trump's cabinet picks would have some gumption... but then, he wouldn't select anyone who'd stand up to him.




I am 100% on board with everything I'm aware of that Trump wants to do. So I hope Trump picks all the individuals that are going to make-happen all the things he (we) want in the United States. I absolutely do not want someone who's going to stand up to him and slow his roll.
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This thread needs some music... like maybe Paula getting her groove on.




The random guy behind Paula frantically searching for a way offstage only adds to the insanity! lol

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This thread needs some music... like maybe Paula getting her groove on.



Avoiding responding to some of the comments I see. I'm sure it's a humbling experience.

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Avoiding responding to some of the comments I see.


Ha! You think you're calling the shots here? lol

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Ha! You think you're calling the shots here? lol


Have never suggested such a thing. But, calling a spade a spade happens here daily.

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Have never suggested such a thing.


You seem to think you have some say in who should respond to what. News flash... you don't.

 
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But, calling a spade a spade happens here daily.


Yes it does, and I've stated numerous times that Trump is a clown.
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Originally posted by Patrick:

You seem to think you have some say in who should respond to what. News flash... you don't.

Yes it does, and I've stated numerous times that Trump is a clown.


I assume your employment does not involve mind reading. If so, you might want to consider other opportunities. I state very clearly what's on my mind. Additionally, what you think of DJT is totally out of my control so, why would your opinion of him matter to me. I don't believe I've ever countered you on your opinion of President Elect Trump, it's your opinion. Unless I'm incorrect, you didn't get a vote on who our President will be. Please feel free to correct me on that if you get to vote in the US elections. My opinion of Canada's PM most surely won't have any effect on who is in that position.

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...what you think of DJT is totally out of my control so, why would your opinion of him matter to me.


I've never suggested it would matter one way or another... yet for some obscure reason my opinion of Trudeau matters to you.

 
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I don't believe I have ever heard your opinion of Justin Trudeau.


I've commented here occasionally on Trudeau. I'm sorry you missed it.
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I've never suggested it would matter one way or another... yet for some obscure reason my opinion of Trudeau matters to you.
I've commented here occasionally on Trudeau. I'm sorry you missed it.


I was curious. As a Canadian, your opinion may matter up north. What that opinion is, is totally up to you.

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Yes it does, and I've stated numerous times that Trump is a clown.


Wow ! You personify "it takes one to know one".
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