Doing Ok. Power went down about 6 PM yesterday and was just restored about 1 hour ago, so that was fast and saved me a some money on more generator fuel.. No property damage other than the usual tree limbs, trash, etc. My younger brother's house didn't fare so well. He's on the beach and received approx. 5 ft. of storm surge in his 1st floor level. He also left his Prevost coach parked beside his house for some unknown reason and it is now a flooded total loss.
West GA. We dodged the bullet. During the storm we got about two inches of rain. A few gusts, but no damage to speak of. South GA, especially Valdosta, got hit hard. There were over 100 buildings damaged, there. Some with people inside.
Just saw this, this morning. Western NC and East TN are devastated.
My Niece lives in Sarasota Florida, on the Gulf Coast just south of Tampa, St Pete. Her whole immediate family were freaking out and she just said "it will be alright".
My Dad lives in Lake City Florida, 60 miles west of Jacksonville. He just yawned also.
Just saw this, this morning. Western NC and East TN are devastated.
This was a very BIG storm. The eye passed us in the Gulf over 100 miles off the coast, (Tampa area) and the wind, rain and storm surge, (TS level), was a lot bigger then we've seen in decades. NO, I am not buying into the "climut chunge" lunacy. We've had bigger storms before.
This was a very BIG storm. The eye passed us in the Gulf over 100 miles off the coast, (Tampa area) and the wind, rain and storm surge, (TS level), was a lot bigger then we've seen in decades. NO, I am not buying into the "climut chunge" lunacy. We've had bigger storms before.
show political faith over facts is a common RW trait
I bet your bro has a LOT of insurance on the fancy ride and the feds gov ins for flood that others subsidize on his island home
they crow about being independent and self reliant but take advantage of the government when and how they can
waters hot storms are stronger but no need to inconvenience the island dwellers with facts or the real cost if uncle sugar will pay
btw I have no state or fed subsidized ins at all I just built a 200 mph roof 1 and 1/2 inch of screwed and glued ply base 3 times the code every other steel sheet doubled and lapped at top by 6 ft with extra long screws so 4 layers of steel every other peak sheet with the other just doubled at the ridge with 1/2 SS cables to the slab 23k lbs safe load just to be sure all widows and doors lagged bolted steel inc the garage
but then I do not like to mess with mother nature I had two boats stay at anchor in andrew with out major damage because I had 8 anchors on each one lost 4 but 4 held
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: The way this conversation basically went:
Randye: Hi everyone, hope you're having a good day. RayB: Your false God hates you, your RWNJs lie.
you sure do not like the truth
if randye did not attack the cause of the intense more frequent higher end storms or allude to big bills to flood ins in a Gop public socialize the loss but private profits and maybe a fancy camper too in the mix
he could post in reg non political but needed to attack ''NO, I am not buying into the "climut chunge" lunacy. We've had bigger storms before.'' with the recorded water levels saying NOT TRUE setting new records all along the coast but the trolls for the rump never note other trolls BS
show political faith over facts is a common RW trait
I bet your bro has a LOT of insurance on the fancy ride and the feds gov ins for flood that others subsidize on his island home
they crow about being independent and self reliant but take advantage of the government when and how they can
waters hot storms are stronger but no need to inconvenience the island dwellers with facts or the real cost if uncle sugar will pay
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Originally posted by ray b:
you sure do not like the truth
if randye did not attack the cause of the intense more frequent higher end storms or allude to big bills to flood ins in a Gop public socialize the loss but private profits and maybe a fancy camper too in the mix
he could post in reg non political but needed to attack ''NO, I am not buying into the "climut chunge" lunacy. We've had bigger storms before.'' with the recorded water levels saying NOT TRUE setting new records all along the coast but the trolls for the rump never note other trolls BS
Nobody was talking to you. Nobody was talking about you. Nobody even mentioned you. Nobody "attacked" anyone or anything.
It quite literally requires nothing for you to spew more of your pathetic resentment and hatred toward other members, (and their families), here.
SICK.
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Nobody was talking to you. Nobody was talking about you. Nobody even mentioned you. Nobody "attacked" anyone or anything.
It quite literally requires nothing for you to spew more of your pathetic resentment and hatred toward other members, (and their families), here.
SICK.
yes the pompous attitude is just like the trump
and private profit with socialized risk is so Gop
I would love to have an ocean front home but understand the high risk of flooding and limited ability to protect those locations so have a home I can protect from the wind in a location that will not flood at current sea levels ''Most people don't realize that until recently, oceanfront housing was only for the very poor. Rich people and land planners (such as they were) in the 1800s were a lot more in tune with nature's power than those in the 1900s and 2000s
(plus there's the whole 'open sewage running downhill' thing...)
without any socialized government insurance scams few rich would want beach land
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Originally posted by Raydar: Fsck off, ray. Go and piss someplace else.
100%. What a bad place and time to be crass and churlish.
I personally know a number of folks whose homes were destroyed -one's from Ashville and their whole town was destroyed. This was BAD. Rubbing political stances in people's faces right now doesn't serve any non-petty purpose. Nobody is going to be targeted with that and think "Gee, this guy being cruel really changed my mind!"
I even agree that this summer needs to be a topic of conversation in the overall discussion about climate change -we set all kinds of records all over the place- but let everybody check in and give them time to be safe before you have a go at them, ya know?
Bless my soul, is this article romanticizing the response to Katrina? The one that is universally held in contempt for the days-to-weeks long delayed response from both the military and FEMA, and the complete lack of preparedness? Also, how did the author miss the 6,500 National Guard troops that were mobilized immediately for Helene? I guess they don't count?
I any case, I would hope we didn't respond anything like the way we did to Katrina, given our response there triggered multiple investigations, the resignation of the FEMA director at the time, and significant reform to disaster management. Imagine we learned nothing from a historically bad response to a hurricane, and ran in with the military every time.
Bless my soul, is this article romanticizing the response to Katrina? The one that is universally held in contempt for the days-to-weeks long delayed response from both the military and FEMA, and the complete lack of preparedness? Also, how did the author miss the 6,500 National Guard troops that were mobilized immediately for Helene? I guess they don't count?
I any case, I would hope we didn't respond anything like the way we did to Katrina, given our response there triggered multiple investigations, the resignation of the FEMA director at the time, and significant reform to disaster management. Imagine we learned nothing from a historically bad response to a hurricane, and ran in with the military every time.
Something that I was talking about the other day with one of my buddies... before FEMA, there existed the "Civilian Defense."
I know we all remember seeing stuff about them, even if we didn't live during that time... the grey hats with the two triangles with the big CD and Geiger counters. They were primarily assembled to support based on the threat of potential nuclear war... but another point was to also protect civilians from natural disasters. My understanding is that the Civilian Defense was literally made up of civilians who had been enlisted in some way to support the natural disaster / atomic threat. It was... how do you say, "organized" by the Federal government (how it should work / structure), but was managed separately by the individual states, in the exact same way that the National Guard currently is. In addition, the Civilian Defense would operate independently from the Federal government as the governors would command them in the same way they do for the National Guard.
At some point, this slowly turned into "FEMA" ... and in 1979, it became official. The emphasis was taken away from the states, and brought up to the Federal level.
I have no metrics to show whether or not CD handled disasters better than FEMA does... but I'm not hearing a lot of positive stuff that FEMA does.
There are entire "junkyards" full of FEMA trailers, and nearly 50k worth of plastic burial caskets that are rotting out in the sun and deteriorating... and everything they do seems to be either wasteful, too late, poor management, or just woefully unprepared.
Bless my soul, is this article romanticizing the response to Katrina? The one that is universally held in contempt for the days-to-weeks long delayed response from both the military and FEMA, and the complete lack of preparedness? Also, how did the author miss the 6,500 National Guard troops that were mobilized immediately for Helene? I guess they don't count?
I any case, I would hope we didn't respond anything like the way we did to Katrina, given our response there triggered multiple investigations, the resignation of the FEMA director at the time, and significant reform to disaster management. Imagine we learned nothing from a historically bad response to a hurricane, and ran in with the military every time.
Something that I was talking about the other day with one of my buddies... before FEMA, there existed the "Civilian Defense."...
...At some point, this slowly turned into "FEMA" ... and in 1979, it became official. The emphasis was taken away from the states, and brought up to the Federal level.
I have no metrics to show whether or not CD handled disasters better than FEMA does... but I'm not hearing a lot of positive stuff that FEMA does.
There are entire "junkyards" full of FEMA trailers, and nearly 50k worth of plastic burial caskets that are rotting out in the sun and deteriorating... and everything they do seems to be either wasteful, too late, poor management, or just woefully unprepared.
I had very little knowledge of any of that, but I agree with the waste and seeming very unprepared. The whole system of turning to FEMA for predictable disasters seemed bizarre to me. We know CA is going to catch fire, and we know Florida is going to keep sinking, yet it seems to me we're always caught at least a little off guard by these things. Relying as much as we do on a questionably effective federal disaster response to deal with these things we know are coming seems inefficient to me.
Originally posted by olejoedad: You miss the point of the article.
Why am I not surprised?
If the purpose of the article is not to critique a slow U.S. military response to Helene -explicitly in contrast to the response with Katrina- and that the current administration should have used the military more "sufficiently" -as it was used in Katrina- to respond to the disaster...then I'd love for you to tell me what it was. That's what I'm responding to, and I'd hate to be confused
fact national guards are the troops deployed by state governors in the their states
and we see the real results of fla gov rape of home ins rules the great and powerful rhonda has screwed the home owners totally and completely and the ins corps will pay a very small fraction of the storms true costs only after many years of lawsuits rhonda in the best Gop traditions sold out to ins corp moneys now only the deep pocket Gop guys will have the funds to fight the long hard battle most people will get cents not dollars on their claims
laws are no help the last 3 storms under the new rules every false claim by people results in quick hard law enforcement BUT NO CORP-RAT FRAUD AND THERE WAS A LOT ON ALMOST EVERY CLAIM HAS EVER BEEN INVESTIGATED LET ALONE CHARGED
INS CORP'S REWRITE EVERY CLAIM ALL ARE CUT DOWN WITHOUT INSPECTIONS BY UNKNOWN UNRECORDED UNQUALIFIED UNLICENSED OFFICE WONKS WHO NEVER GO TO THE SITES TO TALK TO THE HOME OWNERS
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Something that I was talking about the other day with one of my buddies... before FEMA, there existed the "Civilian Defense."
I know we all remember seeing stuff about them, even if we didn't live during that time... the grey hats with the two triangles with the big CD and Geiger counters. They were primarily assembled to support based on the threat of potential nuclear war... but another point was to also protect civilians from natural disasters. My understanding is that the Civilian Defense was literally made up of civilians who had been enlisted in some way to support the natural disaster / atomic threat. It was... how do you say, "organized" by the Federal government (how it should work / structure), but was managed separately by the individual states, in the exact same way that the National Guard currently is. In addition, the Civilian Defense would operate independently from the Federal government as the governors would command them in the same way they do for the National Guard.
At some point, this slowly turned into "FEMA" ... and in 1979, it became official. The emphasis was taken away from the states, and brought up to the Federal level.
I have no metrics to show whether or not CD handled disasters better than FEMA does... but I'm not hearing a lot of positive stuff that FEMA does.
There are entire "junkyards" full of FEMA trailers, and nearly 50k worth of plastic burial caskets that are rotting out in the sun and deteriorating... and everything they do seems to be either wasteful, too late, poor management, or just woefully unprepared.
RHONDA SOLD THE HOME OWNERS OUT TO THE INS LOBBY
NO CORP-RAT FRAUDS ARE EVEN INVESTIGATED
WHY DID NOT YOUR HERO THE RUMP FIX IT HE NEVER FIXED ANYTHING ?
This is the current list of FEMA Urban Search and Rescue Task Forces deployed into the impacted states.
This is informational only and NOT an official list so some errors are possible.
Florida: FEMA Blue USAR Incident Support Team and East IST Cache Florida Task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 person) - State Deployment of State/Federal Shared Asset Florida Task Force 2 - Type 1 (80 person) - State Deployment of State/Federal Shared Asset Virginia Task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 person) - Federal Deployment Virginia Task Force 2 - Type 1 (80 person) - Federal Deployment Ohio Task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 person) - Federal Deployment Tennessee Task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 person) - Federal Deployment Texas task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 person) - Federal Deployment Indiana Task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 person) - Federal Deployment Florida Task Force 6 - Type 3 (45 person) - State Deployment Florida Task Force 8 – Type 3 (45 person) – State Deployment Mississippi Task Force 1 - Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) - EMAC Deployment Vermont Task Force 1 - Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) - EMAC Deployment Kansas Task Force 1 – Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) – EMAC Deployment Ohio Task Force 1 – Type 1 Team (80 person) Oklahoma Task Force 1 – Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) – EMAC Deployment Florida Task Force 4 – Type 3 Task Force (45 person) – State Deployment
Georgia: Maryland Task Force 1 - Type 3 (45 person) - Federal Deployment Missouri Task Force 1- Type 3 (45 person) - Federal Deployment Utah Task Force 1 – Type 3 (45 person) – Federal Deployment
North Carolina: North Carolina Task Forces 1 through 11 all activated at various capacities for state level deployments Massachusetts Task Force 1 - Type 3 (45 Person) - Federal Deployment New York Task Force 1 - Type 3 (45 Person) - Federal Deployment New Jersey Task Force 1 - Type 1 (80 Person) - Federal Deployment Pennsylvania Task Force 1 - Type 3 (45 Person) - Federal Deployment Illinois Task Force 1 - Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) - EMAC Deployment Illinois Swiftwater Rescue 1 – Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) – EMAC Deployment Michigan Task Force 1 - Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) - EMAC Deployment Massachusetts Task Force 1 – Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 Person) – Federal Deployment (this is in addition to their Type 3 team) Alabama Task Force 1 – Type 1 Swiftwater Team (18 person) – EMAC Deployment Indiana Division 201 – Type 2 Swiftwater Team (11 person) – EMAC Deployment California Task Force 8 – Type 3 (45 person) – Federal Deployment Wisconsin Task Force 1 – Type 1 Swiftwater (18 person) – EMAC Deployment
Tennessee: Colorado Task Force 1 - Type 3 (45 Person) - Federal Deployment Nebraska Task Force 1 - Type 3 (45 Person) - Federal Deployment
South Carolina: All state and local Technical Rescue/Swiftwater Rescue resources activated at various levels to support response Louisiana TF 2 – Type 1 Swiftwater – (18 person) – EMAC Louisiana TF 3 – Type 3 Task Force – (45 person) – EMAC
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Ray, what's going on man... this response had literally nothing to do with my question about Civil Defense.
And you also replied to my earlier post twice (a week apart), but with a completely different response each time.
As I said above, BOHICA bud. Milton is on his way. You're far enough inland that property damage should be nil or slight for you but power may / will go out.
As I said above, BOHICA bud. Milton is on his way. You're far enough inland that property damage should be nil or slight for you but power may / will go out.
Man, I'm just reading about this. That's really awful. Seriously, be safe all
Originally posted by randye: As I said above, BOHICA bud. Milton is on his way. You're far enough inland that property damage should be nil or slight for you but power may / will go out.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Ray, what's going on man... this response had literally nothing to do with my question about Civil Defense.
And you also replied to my earlier post twice (a week apart), but with a completely different response each time.
volunteer efforts after the bad keys 30's storm that killed lots at the vets camp Hemingway went there to find / bury vets bodys with other private volunteers
after the 60's storms I do not remember a big gov effort like after andrew national guards do remember the crying where are the cavalry from officials after andrew until they did come 4 days later I went back to work as they first appeared I hand out flags and vests from my battered truck [boss parked in the eyewall area ]
btw the rump as usual is lying about FEMA the funds ect example the 750 is a first payment not the only payment there is more for those who fill out the forms
and it is TRUE that RHONDA screwed us and the ins ain't paying the full amounts NOW even after the huge rate hikes with more to come
the feds did make the builders elevate new builds higher for a very few years some areas are at several levels many feet a part as they went up and back down
as many homes are door flooded with only a few feet water
I think a door flood blocker to seal up the first few feet is a market item unseen you ain't going to keep out a real high flood / surge but lots of homes get trashed with just a minor inches flooding not for flowing water like a river bank just suburban areas and you got to prep and seal up all the pipes and vents and power sockets have no low sills and CBS ONLY no wood or siding but many s fla are built that way now and could save flood damage costing many thousands with a few hundred in preplaning costs
am I reinventing a know thing [that somehow eluded me] ?
a reply That's exactly what they do in Venice. They have what is effectively a large, heavy companionway drop board system to block off the first few feet of doors on lower buildings. When the king tides are forecast, you put the drop board in place and step over it if you need to go out.
