He publicly sparred with Norfolk Southern after the disastrous train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, and won national attention for the reopening of Interstate 95 in Philadelphia just 12 days after a portion of the busy highway collapsed. At the same time, he’s been praised by some Republican adversaries and was the keynote speaker at the New Hampshire Democratic Party’s annual convention in September, where one attendee compared his speech to former President Barack Obama’s oratory.
If Harris remained as VP, I think that could placate the race-baiters.
Trump’s repeat falsehoods included his assertions that some Democratic-led states allow babies to be executed after birth, that every legal scholar and everybody in general wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, that there were no terror attacks during his presidency, that Iran didn’t fund terror groups during his presidency, that the US has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has, that Biden for years referred to Black people as “super predators,” that Biden is planning to quadruple people’s taxes, that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi turned down 10,000 National Guard troops for the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, that Americans don’t pay the cost of his tariffs on China and other countries, that Europe accepts no American cars, that he is the president who got the Veterans Choice program through Congress, and that fraud marred the results of the 2020 election.
Trump also added some new false claims, such as his assertions that the US currently has its biggest budget deficit and its biggest trade deficit with China. Both records actually occurred under Trump.
Trump’s repeat falsehoods included his assertions that some Democratic-led states allow babies to be executed after birth, that every legal scholar and everybody in general wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, that there were no terror attacks during his presidency, that Iran didn’t fund terror groups during his presidency, that the US has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has, that Biden for years referred to Black people as “super predators,” that Biden is planning to quadruple people’s taxes, that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi turned down 10,000 National Guard troops for the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, that Americans don’t pay the cost of his tariffs on China and other countries, that Europe accepts no American cars, that he is the president who got the Veterans Choice program through Congress, and that fraud marred the results of the 2020 election.
Trump also added some new false claims, such as his assertions that the US currently has its biggest budget deficit and its biggest trade deficit with China. Both records actually occurred under Trump.
All of these are true, except the ones that you misrepresented... like the funding of terrorism.
Trump’s repeat falsehoods included his assertions that some Democratic-led states allow babies to be executed after birth, that every legal scholar and everybody in general wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, that there were no terror attacks during his presidency, that Iran didn’t fund terror groups during his presidency, that the US has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has, that Biden for years referred to Black people as “super predators,” that Biden is planning to quadruple people’s taxes, that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi turned down 10,000 National Guard troops for the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, that Americans don’t pay the cost of his tariffs on China and other countries, that Europe accepts no American cars, that he is the president who got the Veterans Choice program through Congress, and that fraud marred the results of the 2020 election.
Trump also added some new false claims, such as his assertions that the US currently has its biggest budget deficit and its biggest trade deficit with China. Both records actually occurred under Trump.
Please post links proving that your assertions are completely and wholeheartedly true.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: All of these are true, except the ones that you misrepresented... like the funding of terrorism.
Okay. lets take them in order.
NUMBER ONE. Trump quote from debate. . . “Hard to believe, they have some states passing legislation where you can execute the baby after birth. It’s crazy.”
it was a gish gallop of lies total lie over load of gaslighting the rump is by far better at lies spews them freely and constantly and poor joe is not
they believe in him in a very definition of a cult way but just can't say where or when so will not try but in their heart they KNOW HE IS LYING but like the lie
total gov by religious delusions no rules for the rich pollution for everyone else
NUMBER ONE. Trump quote from debate. . . “Hard to believe, they have some states passing legislation where you can execute the baby after birth. It’s crazy.”
So please provide me with a list of these states.
I've been down this road so many times with you. You make silly claims, most of which aren't even correct or even your original thought but just regurgitating partisan nonsense that you see on other news sites. For example... your entire post was a copy/paste from this editorial:
"Trump’s repeat falsehoods included his assertions that some Democratic-led states allow babies to be executed after birth, that every legal scholar and everybody in general wanted Roe v. Wade overturned, that there were no terror attacks during his presidency, that Iran didn’t fund terror groups during his presidency, that the US has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has, that Biden for years referred to Black people as “super predators,” that Biden is planning to quadruple people’s taxes, that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi turned down 10,000 National Guard troops for the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, that Americans don’t pay the cost of his tariffs on China and other countries, that Europe accepts no American cars, that he is the president who got the Veterans Choice program through Congress, and that fraud marred the results of the 2020 election."
I'll go through it anyway, even though you are incapable of original thought. There were no outright lies in this debate, except the ones that Joe Biden made, and I don't think he actually THOUGHT he was lying, I think he was just confused (like the union stuff). All of the "lies" they claim of Trump were misrepresentations.
It's fact that several states, including Virginia and California have proposed after-birth abortions. Which in effect is, the mother can decide whether or not the child is allowed to live or die if the child has major deformities... even if the child is out of the mother's womb and currently alive. There are some states that even allow this to an extent, so long as it's all within the same time frame of child-birth.
As for your other claims...
"[i]that every legal scholar and everybody in general wanted Roe v. Wade overturned,"[/i]
We'd need to define what a "legal scholar" is... because technically I am one too. But it IS fact that the majority of notable legal scholars did believe this was a horrible decision. It's talked about at length in Archibald Cox's book, the Court & The Constitution. MOST legal scholars (anyone that was worth anything) believed it was a horrible decision. That's because the entire foundation of the case was decided on the concept of 4th amendment / privacy. It literally became the cornerstone of Nixon's push for the Privacy Act of 1974 (he made a big speech about it).
Furthermore, even Ruth Bader Ginsberg thought it was a horrible decision, which she talks about in this article that I keep bookmarked and at the ready for people just like you when you come up with silly arguments: https://www.law.uchicago.ed...ing-law-school-visit
"...that there were no terror attacks during his presidency"
... that's not what he said, he said... "That’s why you had no terror, at all, during my administration. This place, the whole world, is blowing up under him." For the most part he's totally correct. It was about terrorism at large across the world. There's a new terrorist attack every week across the world, and three wars on-going. Russia has had two major terrorist attacks, there have been a dozen in Europe.
"that Iran didn’t fund terror groups during his presidency,"
... he didn't even say that, and the article your page links to references something he said on the campaign trail earlier in the year which was, "Iran was, as you know, they were broke. They weren’t funding Hamas, and they weren’t funding anything. They weren’t funding Hezbollah," ... and he was absolutely correct. He had completely cut-off the funding line that Iran had to fund these terror groups. Remember that President Obama had dropped several pallets of cash from a C130 to Iran, and then Joe Biden did the same thing.
"...that the US has provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe has"
Yes... and?
"...that Biden for years referred to Black people as “super predators,”"
(start at 2:00 minutes, he starts going on about predators and super predators)
"...then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi turned down 10,000 National Guard troops for the US Capitol on January 6, 2021"
You can't even make your own posts, just a literal copy/paste from editorials. Really, I am the fool here because I'm actually responding to you. I'm done... not once have I copy/pasted a response from a news article, and pretended like it were my own words. Damn. First you claim to be a lawyer, and now you claim to be a History teacher in this latest fake account you've created. But in all of this, you're a plagiarist.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's fact that several states, including Virginia and California have proposed after-birth abortions. Which in effect is, the mother can decide whether or not the child is allowed to live or die if the child has major deformities... even if the child is out of the mother's womb and currently alive.
"Proposed" is not "passed'.
And allowing a child to die due to natural birth defects is no more an "abortion" than a miscarriage.
So what Trump said was a complete lie. It is 100% illegal to kill a child after it is born in any state.
Originally posted by BingB: "Proposed" is not "passed'.
And allowing a child to die due to natural birth defects is no more an "abortion" than a miscarriage.
So what Trump said was a complete lie. It is 100% illegal to kill a child after it is born in any state.
So you're TOTALLY ignoring everything else... absolutely everything else. Are you embarrassed with yourself? Did you not think anyone would notice that you basically plagiarized an editorial, just like RayB does almost every time? I've never seen a "conservative" do that here, yet it seems the only two hard-core leftists on this site seem to be the ones that do this quite often.
Anyway, your comment about abortion is nonsense. It's an exaggeration to say that Trump was lying. This is literally what Democrats want. Again, this is nuance. There are current state laws that ALLOW a baby to die (with the parent refusing care) if the child is born with problems. This is literally the same thing, but a different way of saying it... which is what Democrats always do, and that's change the language so two horrible things don't seem the same. Regardless... if anti-abortion laws bother you, then know that it warms my heart to hear that.
"...that there were no terror attacks during his presidency"
... that's not what he said, he said... "That’s why you had no terror, at all, during my administration. This place, the whole world, is blowing up under him." For the most part he's totally correct. It was about terrorism at large across the world. There's a new terrorist attack every week across the world, and three wars on-going. Russia has had two major terrorist attacks, there have been a dozen in Europe.
Wait, what?!?!
You were not aware of any terrorist attacks at all while Trump was President? There were dozens of terrorist attacks that killed hundreds of people in the United States and all across the world. And the streets of the United States were in flames in the summer of 2020 under Trump.
There are current state laws that ALLOW a baby to die (with the parent refusing care) if the child is born with problems.
This is the law even in the most conservative states.
You don't even know what you are talking about. Trump claimed that laws were passed that allows the child to be killed after being born and that is 100% false.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: "that Iran didn’t fund terror groups during his presidency,"
... he didn't even say that, and the article your page links to references something he said on the campaign trail earlier in the year which was, "Iran was, as you know, they were broke. They weren’t funding Hamas, and they weren’t funding anything. They weren’t funding Hezbollah," ... and he was absolutely correct. He had completely cut-off the funding line that Iran had to fund these terror groups. Remember that President Obama had dropped several pallets of cash from a C130 to Iran, and then Joe Biden did the same thing.
Trump-appointed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said himself in 2020 that Iran was continuing to fund terror groups.
“So you continue to have, in spite of the Iranian leadership demanding that more money be given to them, they are using the resources that they have to continue funding Hezbollah in Lebanon and threatening the state of Israel, funding Iraqi terrorist Shia groups, all the things that they have done historically – continuing to build out their capabilities even while the people inside of their own country are suffering,” Pompeo said in a May 2020 interview, according to a transcript posted on the State Department’s website.
Trump-appointed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said himself in 2020 that Iran was continuing to fund terror groups.
“So you continue to have, in spite of the Iranian leadership demanding that more money be given to them, they are using the resources that they have to continue funding Hezbollah in Lebanon and threatening the state of Israel, funding Iraqi terrorist Shia groups, all the things that they have done historically – continuing to build out their capabilities even while the people inside of their own country are suffering,” Pompeo said in a May 2020 interview, according to a transcript posted on the State Department’s website.
No way you can spin out of this one. He was either lying then or he is lying now. Either way it proves he is a liar.
Again, this is all nuance. You're taking things literal that were never meant to.
Trump STOPPED Iran from getting income. Obama gave BILLIONS of dollars to Iran (for some ungodly reason... can you explain that since you're a fan of his) and then Democrats claimed it was owed to them, and some other nonsense. Trump halted all of that, but the money was ALREADY given to Iran, and we can't stop them from funding what they want. Again, you are intentionally taking things literally. This isn't a lie, you're giving a misrepresentation of the facts. Trump stopped the pipeline of funding terrorist organizations. But of course... Biden continued by easing sanctions and giving them billions of dollars too... so that's completely started up again.
Again, no mention of the fact that you plagiarized an editorial. Are you going to mention this... or will you keep pretending like no one notices? I would be so embarrassed if I was so incompetent that I had to steal paragraphs and post them as my own.
Could this be the culmination, rather than the beginning of a grass roots revolt within the Democratic party?
Could it be that the party base, the “rank and file”, the “great unwashed”, tired of being ignored in every primary since 2016, decided to just sit back and let the DNC burn to the ground?
You're taking things literal that were never meant to..
So your argument is that Trump can lioe as much as he wants to because we are not supposed to believe him in the first place.
"Of course it is false information. It is SUPPOSED TO BE FALSE. You can't expect him to tell the truth."
The fact is that there was plenty terrorism during his tenure as president. Many people were killed here and all across America and it had NOTHING to do with Iraq funding it.
Trump told a complete lie, and you are defending it.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Again, no mention of the fact that you plagiarized an editorial. Are you going to mention this... or will you keep pretending like no one notices? I would be so embarrassed if I was so incompetent that I had to steal paragraphs and post them as my own.
I don't care.
To you this is all personal. All you care about is personal attacks.
To me it is about the information. Unlike you I am not here trying to gain personal glory. All I care about is passing on information.
It is a great idea, but I am betting it will not work. The replacement candidate will remain on the ballot while the challenges are disputed. There will be no resolution until after the election.
I suspect that the Dems have already chosen someone that no one expects, someone no one knows anything about. When that person is announced, there will not be enough time to vet him/her/they/it. It will be someone without a past.
I think this situation is much more likely. This seems extremely complicated, but less of a done deal than Heritage is going to present it as. The damage done by having to fight the lawsuits would be extensive in any case. Tactically they give up all advantage of running an incumbent as well as all of the money/efforts spent on the Biden campaign, and have to start a fresh candidate off with an uphill battle of legal challenges. It would be a huge boon the Republican Party no matter how it shook out.
All that to go with a candidate they had already decided wasn't their best shot at winning to begin with.
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Well, everything may be changing sooner than most suspected. A trial balloon has been floated. We could end up with something few would have guessed. We could have the first female president, before the election.
I am not saying it will, but keep your ear to the ground.
Well, everything may be changing sooner than most suspected. A trial balloon has been floated. We could end up with something few would have guessed. We could have the first female president, before the election.
I am not saying it will, but keep your ear to the ground.
Say what you will about politics in 2024, at least it ain't boring.
Originally posted by BingB: I don't care. To you this is all personal. All you care about is personal attacks.
To me it is about the information. Unlike you I am not here trying to gain personal glory. All I care about is passing on information.
BTW Did you make that chart you posted?
What do you mean exactly by, is this personal? Are you saying I have a "personal" vendetta against you? It could not be more wrong if that's what you're suggesting. When I'm not in the Politics & Religion forum... I am not thinking about you. I would also hope that you aren't thinking about me either. So, if that's what you mean by personal, I can assure you it is not.
What I DO have a problem with though, which drives the type of responses I give to you, is your lack of integrity. You were banned under a previous account, known as FredToast. We've drawn correlations between that old account and this account, and you've as such essentially confirmed it several times by insinuating that you don't see what the big deal is. For both accounts, you literally fabricated a completely made-up life story / background. The first was that you were an accomplished defense attorney and were an expert in law. The second and current one is that you're a high school history teacher with vast knowledge of American history. In both cases, you faked a background that you believed would give you an intellectual edge in these discussions... as if we would take what you say with more credence. So, that's first.
Second, you've repeatedly taken things from websites, including ENTIRE quotations and passed them off as if they were coming directly from you in a response to me or others. This is not just pathologically lazy, but it also shows an utter and complete lack of substance, and integrity. Say whatever you want about me, but I'd never presume to pass off things as my own work that I didn't write or come up with. I make every effort to not only quote, but italicize things that I've quoted from other sources. And to your question at the bottom... the chart I linked literally says at the bottom, "Source: Kiel Institute for the World Economy - BBC."
Look Fred, you've been banned here once, and someone else found at least two other websites (which they posted) where you had been banned using the name BingB (also using the name Fred). In one of those websites, you'd somehow annoyed those people enough too that they literally found out that you were also posting on here and commented on their other forum about how they wished the best for us on Pennock's in dealing with you. This is clearly a problem you've had on other sites... which means that it's a "YOU" problem, that YOU are doing something wrong. The question I fundamentally would like answered is... did you create new accounts on those websites too ... or is there something special you feel about Pennock's that you've only done it here?
In any case... two minutes after I click submit, I'll have already stopped thinking about you... and the same should be said about you to me. The question you should be asking yourself though is... why do you continue to get the same reactions from everyone, on multiple different sites? Is it possible you're doing something? I know I can be direct and harsh, and a lot of people don't like that. But, I've never been banned from a message board (at least that I'm aware of).
Well, everything may be changing sooner than most suspected. A trial balloon has been floated. We could end up with something few would have guessed. We could have the first female president, before the election.
I've been saying for three years, that it's just a matter of time before the leaders of the Democratic Party decided they've had enough of Joe and they ask him to step down (or twist his arm hard enough) thus ushering in the "historic first woman president" if the United States. But I finally realized there are two reasons they have not done so yet: 1) even they realize it would come with a very big asterisk because she wasn't actually "elected" president, and 2) the Democratic party already has a Hillary, an AOC and an Elizabeth Warren that all want to be president and the resulting cat fight between them would be a bloodbath because each of them thinks they should be president instead of Harris.
I've been saying for three years, that it's just a matter of time before the leaders of the Democratic Party decided they've had enough of Joe and they ask him to step down (or twist his arm hard enough) thus ushering in the "historic first woman president" if the United States. But I finally realized there are two reasons they have not done so yet: 1) even they realize it would come with a very big asterisk because she wasn't actually "elected" president, and 2) the Democratic party already has a Hillary, an AOC and an Elizabeth Warren that all want to be president and the resulting cat fight between them would be a bloodbath because each of them thinks they should be president instead of Harris.
We know now why the Democrats wanted to nationalize election laws and try to take the rights away from the states. They had worried about this all along. People need to understand, the Democrats are not as dumb as they pretend to be. They do everything for a reason, and it's never the same reason then what they're saying it's for.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: We know now why the Democrats wanted to nationalize election laws and try to take the rights away from the states. They had worried about this all along. People need to understand, the Democrats are not as dumb as they pretend to be. They do everything for a reason, and it's never the same reason then what they're saying it's for.
the reason is the Gop can't win an every vote counts election the 2016 was lost by 3,000,000 won by out dated pre steamship pre rail road pre-telegraph gimmick and lying about it is the only way they can ''win''
president is not a state office
if you insist on the state BS proportion the vote by % no reason not to use fractional votes
make lying about elections a capital offense just like treason as that is exactly what it is
I see no reason for state to have any power on a national level
