There are some vaccines that use substances to cause a heightened response by the body, and that can cause some people to have a severe reaction, which basically scrambles their brain. It is devastating, it is sudden, it is irreversible, and and its being buried.

If your young child has had any adverse reactions, such as "high fevers" during any of their previous vaccines, do NOT allow them to administrator multiple vaccines at once to cut down visits.

And don't give your newborn to 4-year-old ANY "STD" vaccines.

quote Originally posted by TheDigitalAlchemist: There are some vaccines that use substances to cause a heightened response by the body, and that can cause some people to have a severe reaction, which basically scrambles their brain. It is devastating, it is sudden, it is irreversible, and and its being buried. If your young child has had any adverse reactions, such as "high fevers" during any of their previous vaccines, do NOT allow them to administrator multiple vaccines at once to cut down visits. And don't give your newborn to 4-year-old ANY "STD" vaccines.

Couple of things worth mentioning...

1 - In 1980, children got 7 vaccines, today they get 16 vaccines (with 70 shots). This article is extremely left-leaning, suggesting that babies didn't survive back in the 1980s. The suggestion they're trying to make is that babies are surviving today because of the vaccines. This is not true, as the child mortality rate had already dropped significantly by 1980, and the differences were negligible from 1980 to 2000.

2 - Autism, according to the CDC(2020), is now 4 times more likely today, than it was in the year 2000. FOUR TIMES more likely than just 20 years ago (excusing 2001-2024). This is incredible (in a bad way). If there were any life debilitating conditions that had increased 4-fold in anything else, they would call it a crisis. But no one is saying anything. Some say it's possible that we're just becoming more "aware" of it. But I've always been exceptionally observant, and I don't ever remember any of my friends having any of the traits of those who have ASD / Asperger's syndrome today. Sure, it existed then... but it seems like almost everyone has it. So it's either something we're eating, or it's something we're doing, or not doing.

3 - The FDA has become increasingly... shall we say, receptive to the desires of the big drug companies, and I'm not talking about COVID drugs. There's been numerous drugs that are approved elsewhere in the world, but have NOT been approved in the United States because they compete with already existing drugs in the U.S., for which that corporation wants to maintain profits. Additionally, more than 1/3rd of the drugs recently approved by the FDA were done so despite numerous objections by actual doctors and scientists at the CDC, but they were done so because some senator or congressman sent a letter demanding they approve it (because that politician was lobbied by the company trying to get it passed). In every case, those 1/3rd of those drugs were "fast tracked," through the normal approval process. In an article from the Washington Monthly, this quote should tell you all you need to know: "Multiple FDA officials have passed through the revolving door from industry to government and back again, but not before leaving behind regulations and controversial approval decisions that benefited manufacturers." Several of these have been vaccines.

4 - In order to save money for the pharmaceutical companies, they are creating "cocktails" which include 2 or more vaccines into one injection. On any given day, most SINGLE-dose vaccines by themselves include elements (aluminum, adjuvants, etc.) that exceed the safe daily capacity for an adult male. Not only are we giving these to children, but we're giving children THREE vaccines in a single shot.


So, here's some anecdotal information. I know several people who have autistic children, and every one of them said the kids were developing normally, and all of them blame vaccines. What's more, all of them (three people, which I accept is not a wide distribution) say that their child stopped developing after a fever ... which came 1-2 days after getting a vaccine. So people can make their own judgement. But I had one neighbor plead with me, when my daughter was born, to be very careful about getting vaccines. He insisted that I take a measured approach to them, and even bought us a book that gave us all the information we should have on the vaccines.

In the end, we followed the book to a T. In short, the book suggested you extend the period for getting certain vaccines until they're a little bit older, and to "break up" the vaccine cocktails into individual shots. This proved to be the biggest issue for us, because most doctors flat-out refused and one even called us a conspiracy theorist. We eventually found one doctor who didn't mind breaking up the cocktails, and working with our extended schedule. We also picked certain brands of vaccines over other brands based on the content of the adjuvants in them. In the end, my daughter has gotten all the vaccines (except COVID and flu). We even have her the Human Papilloma Virus vaccine. One that we weren't thrilled with, was the hepatitis vaccine, which the doctors gave her minutes after she came out of the womb... and obviously I was too pre-occupied to even notice until after it had already happened.


Bottom line, my opinion, I definitely think there's something to it, and I also think the pharmaceutical companies have basically destroyed the entire purpose and integrity of the FDA.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Bottom line, my opinion, I definitely think there's something to it, and I also think the pharmaceutical companies have basically destroyed the entire purpose and integrity of the FDA.

What would you do to fix this problem?

I don't like corrupt government, but it is clearly better than no government regulation at all. History has proven how that works out.

quote Originally posted by BingB: I don't like corrupt government, but it is clearly better than no government regulation at all. History has proven how that works out.

History has proven out how regulations worked for communism and socialism.

quote Originally posted by BingB: I don't like corrupt government, but it is clearly better than no government regulation at all. History has proven how that works out.

That is simply not true. I would rather have freedom than oppression.

I am an American. I would rather count on personal responsibility than be subjugated by evil.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: I am an American. I would rather count on personal responsibility than be subjugated by evil.

You feel that way because you are ignorant of history. No regulation was a huge failure with innocent children dying.


It is impossible for every US citizen to devote the time necessary studying medicine and chemistry to know what is safe for him. People who think they are smarter than scientists after 15 minutes on the internet are clueless. Pretty soon we will have polio wards full of crippled children while nutjobs cheer about how effective "herd immunity" is.

quote Originally posted by BingB: You feel that way because you are ignorant of history.

You sound more like sourmash every day. He also had "special secret knowledge". He learned it at his clubhouse.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: You sound more like sourmash every day. He also had "special secret knowledge". He learned it at his clubhouse.

You are the one claiming to have enough knowledge of medicine and chemistry to decide what medicine is healthy for you.

I never claim to have the "special secret knowledge" that you do. I point to recorded history which is the OPPOSIT of secret.

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quote Originally posted by BingB: You are the one claiming to have enough knowledge of medicine and chemistry to decide what medicine is healthy for you. I never claim to have the "special secret knowledge" that you do. I point to recorded history which is the OPPOSIT of secret.

You still don't get it.

I have the power to decide what is healthy for me. You can decide what is healthy for you. Neither of us has the right to decide what is healthy for our neighbors' children.

I am opposed to authoritarianism, in all of its disguises.

quote Originally posted by BingB: Oh no. I was just getting used to the delusion of me being fred toast, Now I am also "sourmash"? And I'll bet sourmash is no longer around due to cancel culture crowd around here, right?

Wrong again. Like many others, even before the internet, it was his attitude stupid.

quote Originally posted by BingB: Oh no. I was just getting used to the delusion of me being fred toast, Now I am also "sourmash"? And I'll bet sourmash is no longer around due to cancel culture crowd around here, right?

Sour Mash was the radical right-wing version of Fredtoast / you. We collectively banned him because he was so obnoxious.

quote Originally posted by BingB: What would you do to fix this problem? I don't like corrupt government, but it is clearly better than no government regulation at all. History has proven how that works out.

Although I do plan on running for public office at some point, the truth is, I'll probably never be in the position to do anything at all about it. BUT... since you're asking my opinion on what I would do if I was "president," this is what I'd do.

I'd order an investigation on pharmaceutical companies, FDA approvals, and the fast-track process. I'd want to see the following:

- Every time a member of congress sent a letter making a recommendation or demand to the FDA commissioner, HHS director, or any other leads within the FDA/HHS.
- Every time a drug or vaccine was passed after (the line above)
- How many employees have left the FDA to go work for a pharmaceutical company, and investigate their finances (intelligence employees are already obligated to this annually)
- How many employees from pharmaceutical companies have gone to work for the FDA, and back.

... I'd apply several analytics to determine if there's a pattern / history of what I'll call, improper behavior (even if it's currently legal). I'd make the findings widely known, and I'd pass an executive order (FDA and HHS employees are MY employees, and work directly for me) creating a series of regulations, and then I'd ask Congress to implement laws to codify these into actual legislation because I think most agency-created regulations are basically nonsense and unconstitutional. Some of these regulations would put restrictions on what employees can do, who they can associate with (all things that intelligence employees already have to deal with), etc. I'd then fast-track the drug-approval process for drugs and vaccines that have already been approved by 2nd-party "western countries" that have already done the research, client trials, etc. Usually these get blocked because another US-based pharmaceutical company doesn't want the competition. But that's not my problem... my concern is to the people of the United States.

I'd then commission as study on vaccines and autism. I'd want to make sure the commission and researchers were adversarial. Which means I'd get people who were vehemently against vaccines (but that are professionals) and get equally professional people who swear by them. I'd ask Congress to pay for a study that could conclusively research this, and as with all studies and research, I would ask it to be peer reviewed and made available to the public for review and inclusion of any extraneous variables that weren't originally considered.


I mean, off the top of my head... this is just a few things I pulled out of my ass... but this is all pretty much common sense stuff that any reasonable person would conclude. The problem is... too many people, for political reasons, are unwilling to question the government. There's this modern idea from the left that "government is good," and they want to defend it at all expense. Any mention that a government is inefficient and ineffective is an insult to their ideology that socialism (or God forbid, Communism) could be successful. Yet, every time, this is also why both of those economic models always fail.

As Mark Twain said: "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and the government only when it deserves it."

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:The problem is... too many people, for political reasons, are unwilling to question the government. There's this modern idea from the left that "government is good," and they want to defend it at all expense. Any mention that a government is inefficient and ineffective is an insult to their ideology that socialism (or God forbid, Communism) could be successful. Yet, every time, this is also why both of those economic models always fail. As Mark Twain said: "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and the government only when it deserves it."

The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals. They have been convinced that regulation is a bad thing. The only problem is a thing called history. Before the FDA people were dying from bad medicine and dangerous medical devices. The general public lacked the ability to spend the time and resources required learning science, chemistry, and biology to determine what was best for them. They were easy targets for exploitation. Not only were they getting bad advice but they were also getting ripped of of millions of dollars. There was an overwhelming outcry FOR REGULATION.

There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". If you actually ever listened to anything the people on the left are saying (instead of just blindly believing what you are told they are saying) you would realize that there is a lot of criticism of our government from the left. Nut none of them are crazy enough to claim that the country would be better off with "freedom" instead of "socialism/regulation". But again we have to look at actual history.

"Freedom" gave laborers deadly working conditions. Government regulation ended that.

"Freedom" gave us rivers catching on fire and mountains strip mined to rubble. Government regulation ended that.

"Freedom" us toxic air and poison water. Government has ended that.

"Freedom" gave us the Great Depression. Government has ended that.

"Freedom" gave us Jim Crowe laws. Government ended that.

I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.

quote Originally posted by BingB: The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals. They have been convinced that regulation is a bad thing. The only problem is a thing called history. Before the FDA people were dying from bad medicine and dangerous medical devices. The general public lacked the ability to spend the time and resources required learning science, chemistry, and biology to determine what was best for them. They were easy targets for exploitation. Not only were they getting bad advice but they were also getting ripped of of millions of dollars. There was an overwhelming outcry FOR REGULATION. There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". If you actually ever listened to anything the people on the left are saying (instead of just blindly believing what you are told they are saying) you would realize that there is a lot of criticism of our government from the left. Nut none of them are crazy enough to claim that the country would be better off with "freedom" instead of "socialism/regulation". But again we have to look at actual history. "Freedom" gave laborers deadly working conditions. Government regulation ended that. "Freedom" gave us rivers catching on fire and mountains strip mined to rubble. Government regulation ended that. "Freedom" us toxic air and poison water. Government has ended that. "Freedom" gave us the Great Depression. Government has ended that. "Freedom" gave us Jim Crowe laws. Government ended that. I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.

Karl would be so proud.

I don't believe anyone has been able to conclusively prove that vaccines are the sole cause of the increase of autism. I believe that autism and many other health problems that we are seeing today are caused by multiple factors.

Some other factors that could be contributing:

• Micro-plastics are now ubiquitous -- It is not fully known who this affects unborn children. It is proven to lower testosterone levels. It may be a contributor to many other issues.
  
• Increased Estrogen in Drinking water -- All of those pregnancy pills are huge does of estrogen. Most of that estrogen gets flushed down the toilet. Water treatment plants cannot remove it so it ends up in the water supply.
  
• Significant Diet Change -- Our modern diet is dramatically different than it was a hundred years ago or even just a few decades ago. There are a lot more processed foods and most of our foods are now wrapped in plastic (see the first point). The nutrients and micro-nutrients are different between processed and unprocessed foods. Our foods contain lots of chemicals added that you will not find in your kitchen. All of this does have an effect on unborn children. It has been proven with lab rats that the diet the mother eats can determine whether the children grow up to be normal or obese. The proteins in our foods activate and deactivate genes, especially the diet the mother has as she is carrying a child. This is epigenetics which is a relatively new field which we barely understand.
  
• People are having children much later -- The average age of parents is increasing every year. The older the parents the greater the chance of health problems for the children. The chance of having a mentally retarded child goes up as the parents go over 30 and especially over 40. Parents having children in those age ranges is becoming more and more common.

The above is just a few things off the top of my head that could also be contributing to the increase in autism.

quote Originally posted by BingB: The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals. They have been convinced that regulation is a bad thing. The only problem is a thing called history. Before the FDA people were dying from bad medicine and dangerous medical devices. The general public lacked the ability to spend the time and resources required learning science, chemistry, and biology to determine what was best for them. They were easy targets for exploitation. Not only were they getting bad advice but they were also getting ripped of of millions of dollars. There was an overwhelming outcry FOR REGULATION. There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". If you actually ever listened to anything the people on the left are saying (instead of just blindly believing what you are told they are saying) you would realize that there is a lot of criticism of our government from the left. Nut none of them are crazy enough to claim that the country would be better off with "freedom" instead of "socialism/regulation". But again we have to look at actual history. "Freedom" gave laborers deadly working conditions. Government regulation ended that. "Freedom" gave us rivers catching on fire and mountains strip mined to rubble. Government regulation ended that. "Freedom" us toxic air and poison water. Government has ended that. "Freedom" gave us the Great Depression. Government has ended that. "Freedom" gave us Jim Crowe laws. Government ended that. I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.

This right here is why I have no interest in having a conversation with you. You asked me... "what would I do," and I responded. To that, you completely ignored the entire point of the conversation... which made up like 90% of what I said... and then respond to one part which was effectively the meaningless part of it, and went on a rant / tirade about whatever nonsense this is above. This is why I think you're an ******* , and while I honestly cannot stand having a conversation with you. At least with Rinselberg, he would discuss the points, and have a conversation. All you do is antagonize. The forum is worse off because you are in it, and you have absolutely nothing of value with which to provide.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: At least with Rinselberg, he would discuss the points, and have a conversation. All you do is antagonize. The forum is worse off because you are in it, and you have absolutely nothing of value with which to provide.

Rinselberg was a asset to the forum. Fred could be described with fewer letters.

quote Originally posted by BingB: The government has no motive to value profit over human life.

You just keep coming up with dumber and dumber definitive statements.

Leftist statists like you have a "religious" belief in an imaginary "benevolence", "wisdom" and "morality" of government.

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quote Originally posted by randye: You just keep coming up with dumber and dumber definitive statements. Leftist statists like you have a "religious" belief in your imagined "benevolence" and "wisdom" of government.

fred believes that people are ignorant and self centered (except for himself, of course), but governments are wise and benevolent. Should we tell him that governments are made of people?

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quote Originally posted by williegoat: fred believes that people are ignorant and self centered (except for himself, of course), but governments are wise and benevolent. Should we tell him that governments are made of people?

It doesn't matter what we tell him.

A contrarian always has a rebuttal however weak and / or ridiculous.

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quote Originally posted by randye: It doesn't matter what we tell him. A contrarian always has a rebuttal however weak and / or ridiculous.

btw there were people on the spectrum long before any vaccines
NO PROOF TO ANY VAC SHOT as the cause
note they claim vaccines not a vac shot for X did it
when they get a good claim they can name the shot other wise BS
AND THIS ANTI-VAX LYING WITH NO REAL NAMED VAC CAUSE


YES YOU DO like your leftist BS

BUT WHEN WILL YOU EVER NOTE A RUMP LIE ?
a rightwing disaster ?
any Gop flaw at all ?
or only ...

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quote Originally posted by ray b: btw there were people on the spectrum long before any vaccines NO PROOF TO ANY VAC SHOT as the cause note they claim vaccines not a vac shot for X did it when they get a good claim they can name the shot other wise BS AND THIS ANTI-VAX LYING WITH NO REAL NAMED VAC CAUSE YES YOU DO like your leftist BS BUT WHEN WILL YOU EVER NOTE A RUMP LIE ? a rightwing disaster ? any Gop flaw at all ? or only ...

The argument is not that vaccines are the sole cause of autism. It is that vaccines are causing an increase in autism. There were cases of lung cancer before cigarettes. That does not disprove that cigarette use increases the chance of getting lung cancer.

You are unaware of what is happening on the right currently. There is an ideological war happening between the Neocons and the Populists. The Neocons are interventionists, that is they believe in America actively using its wealth, influence and military to maintain order and push its agenda around the world. The Populists believe in taking care of America first and only influencing things in the world when needed and when it benefits America. The Bushes are Neocons. Trump is a Populist. There are other differences but that is the biggest one.

The right can be wrong. Bush was wrong when he created a whole new entitlement for government paid medications. Trump was wrong when he banned bump stocks. Trump was also wrong on red flag laws when he said to take the guns first then go to court.

I get the feeling those are not the flaws you are looking for. You are looking for people who's beliefs are diametrically opposed to your to have the same criticism of their side. That is not going to happen. I would not expect many Democrats to criticize their side on how government programs creates dependence.

quote Originally posted by BingB: There is a huge difference between criticizing our governments efficiency and claiming that government regulation is the same as "socialism". People who know history can understand this.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Karl would be so proud.

Thanks for proving my point Willie

quote Originally posted by BingB: Thanks for proving my point Willie

Now you are acting exactly like sourmash.

quote Originally posted by randye: You just keep coming up with dumber and dumber definitive statements. Leftist statists like you have a "religious" belief in an imaginary "benevolence", "wisdom" and "morality" of government.

You are such a perfectly programmed little puppet that you can not even read what I write and respond to it. Here is what I wrote

quote Originally posted by BingB: I don't trust the government. I know what the CIA did in South America. I know about the Gulf of Tonkin, I know about Iran Contra. I know about WMDs in Iraq. But history proves that we should all trust the government more than corporate America. The government has no motive to value profit over human life.

All you know how to do is spit out a pre-programmed speaking point whenever anyone claims government regulation helps us all.

You don't even respond to what I actually say. You respond to what the programmers have told you I said. Then you just blindly repeat this "strawman" so that you can knock it down.

-Corporations are inherently evil because they value profits over human life. This is not some "liberal theory". It is a fact well proven by history.

-But we have to have a capitalist economy to drive innovation and efficiency.

-So we have to have a government to protect the people from the power of corporate America. Elected officials can not try to exploit and kill their constituents because they need them to vote for them.

-Power corrupts in politics the same way it does in the free market economy. That is why we have a constitution with checks and balances to keep the government from abusing its power.

HISTORY HAS PROVEN that the government regulations have protected citizens from exploitation by corporate interests and has protected the environment. Our government is far from perfect but anyone who thinks we would be better off without the FDA is insane. Even TA82 agrees that we can't do away with it.

quote Originally posted by BingB: The problem with the right is their fealty to business over individuals.

The problem with the left is their fealty to government over individuals.

quote Originally posted by williegoat: Should we tell him that governments are made of people?

It might not help but it won't hurt.

quote Originally posted by BingB: Notice the swearing? Notice the lack of any specific mention of any of the FACTS I discussed? Notice the failure to point out anything that I said that was false? Notice the long stream of personal insults? This is a rant. This is how a person who lacks emotional maturity loses control when someone challenges his beliefs with strong historical facts.

Is this today's lesson plan, Napoleon?

...with basket weavers
who sit and smile
and twiddle their thumbs and toes...

quote Originally posted by BingB: You made a comment, and I responded to it. Why are you freaking out like this. Don't you expect people to respond to what you say. My comments were directed at several comments in the thread. They were well thought out and very clear. Notice the swearing? Notice the lack of any specific mention of any of the FACTS I discussed? Notice the failure to point out anything that I said that was false? Notice the long stream of personal insults? This is a rant. This is how a person who lacks emotional maturity loses control when someone challenges his beliefs with strong historical facts.

Again, either you have a learning disability, or are autistic yourself and unable to see the problem here. You asked me a question, I directly responded to your question, and you completely ignored my response and instead went off on a tangent about regulations which had nothing to do with me. You wasted my time ... again.

He is a troll. It is his goal to waste your time and upset you.

Unfortunately he found a forum that lets him make endless new accounts each time he gets banned.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: He is a troll. It is his goal to waste your time and upset you. Unfortunately he found a forum that lets him make endless new accounts each time he gets banned.

This is a fact.

quote Originally posted by Doug85GT: He is a troll. It is his goal to waste your time and upset you. Unfortunately he found a forum that lets him make endless new accounts each time he gets banned.

Sigh... I know this. I've suggested it before... but I think I'm really done. Any time I spend addressing him, is truly a total waste of my time.

OK, here’s what we learned from the Leftists this week:

#1 – Most people cannot be trusted to make decisions for themselves and their families.

#2 – Most people voted for Joe Biden.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I directly responded to your question, and you completely ignored my response and instead went off on a tangent about regulations which had nothing to do with me.

I quoted the part of your response that I was replying to. There was no tangent.

If you had ended you posts after saying what you would do to fix the FDA then I probably would not have responded like that. But you had to throw in the part about how anyone who defends government regulation is a socialist. You can't make a reasonable post without throwing in your extremist views.

If you can't handle people disagreeing with your comments then perhaps you should find a nice comfortable rigth-wing echo chamber were everyone agrees with you. I don't think you will ever be able to handle a forum that allows dissent.

This is a long video, but it is well worth watching.
The subjects of the video are twin female autistic savants, possibly the only in the world.
They have an amazing story, it's very inspirational.

https://youtu.be/Mp49qyQ3QRM?si=OzdPUbQjvmIRsN0S