quote Originally posted by BingB: I suppose. I have no idea what step one is. Is everyone here agreeing to take the same test?

I never mentioned a test. Many of us do not need a twelve step program for not getting banned.

Step One is to take some social studies courses.

I've noticed that "misinformation" is any narrative that is not what the Liberal media reports.

There is always enough 'truth' in the reporting to make it sound believable until one digs deeper into the background of the story, and then one sees that not all of the story has been reported. Both sides of the story have not been presented to the audience.

Incomplete information is misinformation.

The Liberal media reports incomplete information, I suspect because that's what their viewers want to hear.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Step One is to take some social studies courses.

I have already done that. Multiple hours in both high school and college in US and World History as well as US Government and Political Science. Not a lot of anthropology or sociology, though.

What is step 2?

quote Originally posted by BingB: I see media bias on BOTH sides.

No you don't.
That's just your dishonesty and narcissistic puffery.

quote Originally posted by BingB: If you believe any of these things then you are probably a victim of right-wing propaganda.

In your Leftist opinion....nothing more.

quote Originally posted by cliffw: Step One is to take some social studies courses.

Just to be clear, 12 step programs are not what my wife's treatment team uses to cure mental cases. It is an activity from which evaluations can be formed.

I was wrong about step one. Step 1 is to recognize you need help. You have done that. Step 2 is to ask for help. You have done that. Now, steps 1 & 2 have become facts. Step 3 was to take social study courses.

quote Originally posted by BingB: I have already done that. Multiple hours in both high school and college in US and World History as well as US Government and Political Science. Not a lot of anthropology or sociology, though. What is step 2?

Wrong social studies. What courses did you take which taught you how to act socially with society ?

By the way, you should concentrate seriously on the complete 12 steps. You ratings bar may show up any day. You might find yourself banned with your alter ego.

Point by point....

-The Russian collusion investigation against Donald Trump was started by Hillary and/or the Steele Dossier
They were involved.

-The Keystone XL pipeline had something to do with US oil production.
The pipeline transported, not produced.

-That Hunter's laptop contains evidence of corruption by Joe Biden.
It has evidence of criminal behavior within the family, prompting further investigation.

-That oil production dropped dramatically under Biden and not Trump.
It dropped under both Administriations, for different reasons.

-That crime rose dramatically under Biden and not Trump.
It rose under both Administrations.

-That crime did not rise dramatically in areas controlled by Republicans.
It increased more in areas where laws were not enforced.

-That there is no difference between "sex" and "gender".
There is a difference between sanity and delusion.

-That Trump had the southern border situation under control before Covid.
No, it was not.

-That the Democrats cheated to win the 2020 election.
Prove that no one cheated in either party.
Fortunately, I can see how delusional your assertions are, simply because I realize that there is a narrative from most every source of news.
I have known this for half a century.

lets take the russian question

today the lack of support for the U
is a direct result of putin
and his influence over the trump and the maga Gop

follow the money

where did the 175M bond funding come from odd bank down island in the windwards
the bank that is controlled by a russian pron financier with ties to guess who putin

follow the money back to putin

follow the money it never lies
the people do lie
rump always lies
the money tells the truth every time
follow the money back all the way to where it comes from

quote Originally posted by ray b: lets take the russian question today the lack of support for the U is a direct result of putin and his influence over the trump and the maga Gop follow the money where did the 175M bond funding come from odd bank down island in the windwards the bank that is controlled by a russian pron financier with ties to guess who putin follow the money back to putin follow the money it never lies the people do lie rump always lies the money tells the truth every time follow the money back all the way to where it comes from

Now apply that principle to the Steele dossier and the Hunter laptop.

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quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Now apply that principle to the Steele dossier and the Hunter laptop.

do your own work

I DO NOT WORK FOR SCAMMERS

HINT STEELE WAS FUNDED BY Gopers at the start

hunter did not show moneys going to joe
as you would like to see but NO proof

russians fund the rump
jr rump said so back in 2016

note do the work
do not demand others do your job
try to be honest hard for the rump fans I know
but try

quote Originally posted by ray b: lets take the russian question today the lack of support for the U is a direct result of putin and his influence over the trump and the maga Gop follow the money where did the 175M bond funding come from odd bank down island in the windwards the bank that is controlled by a russian pron financier with ties to guess who putin follow the money back to putin follow the money it never lies the people do lie rump always lies the money tells the truth every time follow the money back all the way to where it comes from

Катюша

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the ad was bought by putin ^

why are putin lovers allowed here ?

quote Originally posted by ray b: the ad was bought by putin ^ why are putin lovers allowed here ?

The song is about a girl who's man is away at war, fighting against the Nazi in WWII.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: Point by point.... -The Russian collusion investigation against Donald Trump was started by Hillary and/or the Steele Dossier They were involved.

Not really. There was one subpoena issued on a minor player (Carter Page) based on information from Christopher Steele. Nothing to actually do with Trump.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: -The Keystone XL pipeline had something to do with US oil production. The pipeline transported, not produced.

It transported zero US domestic oil. It transported Canadian oil to be sold to China.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: -That Hunter's laptop contains evidence of corruption by Joe Biden. It has evidence of criminal behavior within the family, prompting further investigation.

Other than Hunters drug use, no. Nothing financial or politically corrupt.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: -That oil production dropped dramatically under Biden and not Trump. It dropped under both Administriations, for different reasons.

Wrong. It started dropping under Trump because of the pandemic and continued to drop under Biden for the exact same reason. Today we are produciung more oil under Biden than we ever did under Trump. This is proof that Biden's policies did not effect production.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: -That crime did not rise dramatically in areas controlled by Republicans. It increased more in areas where laws were not enforced.

I don't know what you mean. Please give me some specifics. Everything I have seen shows crime going up everywhere.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: -That there is no difference between "sex" and "gender". There is a difference between sanity and delusion.

Actually you are not willing to accept the difference between "sanity" and "delusion" because you refuse to admit that believing in magical religious myths is a form of delusional disorder.

There might really be a magic man in the sky telling you not to eat shellfish, but his existence contradicts all the basic tenants of reality. So if you really believe it is real then you are technically delusional.

quote Originally posted by olejoedad: -That the Democrats cheated to win the 2020 election. Prove that no one cheated in either party.

All of the evidence has been thoroughly investigated. Not one single shred of evidence that would stand up to legitimate scrutiny in a courtroom exists. If it did then you can bet that there would be a court case based on it.

So, again, you are believing based on "faith" instead of proof. Except this time you are blindly following Donald Trump instead of Jesus.

Katyusha rockets I know what those are
mostly mounted to lend/lease studebaker trucks

so you celebrate the war

why celebrate that scumbag murderer and his gangsters
really shows how morally bankrupt the maga's are

and exactly who owns the rump

follow the money not the scumbags

quote Originally posted by ray b: Katyusha rockets I know what those are mostly mounted to lend/lease studebaker trucks so you celebrate the war why celebrate that scumbag murderer and his gangsters really shows how morally bankrupt the maga's are and exactly who owns the rump follow the money not the scumbags

The rockets were named after the song and were used against the Nazi.

Another song about Russia in WWII, from my favorite Russian folk group:

quote Originally posted by BingB: So, again, you are believing based on "faith" instead of proof. Except this time you are blindly following Donald Trump instead of Jesus.

That's a sobering thought, isn't it.

quote Originally posted by BingB: If there were more people from the left starting threads here then I would be disagreeing with them also.

So then you're just a narcissistic contrarian laboring under the obvious misconception that you're "smarter" than everyone else.

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quote Originally posted by randye: So then you're just a narcissistic contrarian laboring under the obvious misconception that you're "smarter" than everyone else.

NO THAT WOULD BE A MIRROR YOU ARE LOOKING AT

rump fans are like that

quote Originally posted by BingB: (snip) All of the evidence has been thoroughly investigated. Not one single shred of evidence that would stand up to legitimate scrutiny in a courtroom exists. If it did then you can bet that there would be a court case based on it. (snip)

All?

All Is an absolute, that's a very high bar to jump over.

Prove it or you are wrong.

quote Originally posted by ray b: NO THAT WOULD BE A MIRROR YOU ARE LOOKING AT rump fans are like that