With Israel at war it is time for a certain group of people to roll out the "antisemitic" attack against anyone who disagrees with Israeli politics. It is crucial to understand the difference between the Jewish religion and the Zionist political movement. "Zionism" is a movement within the Jewish community to establish and maintain a physical "nation" of Israel. It is about real estate. Judaism is a religion that believes that the "nation of Israel" are the Jewish people. The people were called the "nation" for thousands of years before the country of Israel existed.
So it is possible to have nothing against the Jewish religion or the Jews themselves, but still be opposed to the political actions of the country of Israel. Here is a current list of Jewish organizations that oppose Zionism
American Council for Judaism in the United States Anarchists Against the Wall in Israel Edah HaChareidis in Israel Jerusalem Faction in Israel Jewdas in the United Kingdom International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network based in the United States Jewish Voice for Peace in the United States[1] Malachim in the United States Mishkenos HoRoim in Israel Satmar in the United States Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique Neturei Karta in Israel, Germany, the United Kingdom, and the United States Sikrikim in Israel Een Ander Joods Geluid in the Netherlands
So be wary of any news source that labels anyone who disagrees with Israeli politics as "antisemitic". They are trying to deceive you.
BTW Arabs are also semitic, so the term is actually kind of silly.
"Zionism" is a movement within the Jewish community to establish and maintain a physical "nation" of Israel. It is about real estate. Judaism is a religion that believes that the "nation of Israel" are the Jewish people. The people were called the "nation" for thousands of years before the country of Israel existed.
Yeah, and we saw how well that worked out for the Jewish people when they didn't have any nation willing to protect them or even support their right to exist.
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Be wary of any bigot poster here that labels anyone who disagrees with his anti-Israel politics as a "Zionist".
He is full of crap and trying to deceive you.
Attempting to separate Judaism from the state of Israel is Leftist nonsense and bigotry.
2023 Israeli census shows that 73.5% of the population isJEWISH
you short count the arabs by a lot no west bank or gaza arabs in the count or refugee's in lots of other country's all round there
reactionary god bothered fools support zionists in hopes of a world ending religious delusion centered on a rebuilt temple as a precondition to their really evil plans to end life on earth revelations badly need revaluation as there is a trump involved but not the rump/trump but the end of the world god bothered final final fantasy trump
sick sick moral god bothered fools who want everyone to die because of a fever dream by john religion is not good for flowers and trees let alone little kids why do we need christian plots to end the world ?
With Israel at war it is time for a certain group of people to roll out the "antisemitic" attack against anyone who disagrees with Israeli politics. It is crucial to understand the difference between the Jewish religion and the Zionist political movement. "Zionism" is a movement within the Jewish community to establish and maintain a physical "nation" of Israel. It is about real estate. Judaism is a religion that believes that the "nation of Israel" are the Jewish people. The people were called the "nation" for thousands of years before the country of Israel existed.
So it is possible to have nothing against the Jewish religion or the Jews themselves, but still be opposed to the political actions of the country of Israel. Here is a current list of Jewish organizations that oppose Zionism.
I came in here expecting to see exactly what I'm seeing here. Not shocked. You simply parrot literally whatever the left commands you to care about. Do you have any views at all that are not totally in-line with CURRENT radical leftist ideology? On the day Israel has it's worst attack in nearly 25 years, you blabber about all this nonsense.
How about this... the Jews have been on that land for over 3,000 years. In order of sheer number of years occupied, you have:
- The Jews - The Christians - The Pagans - The Muslims
Islam has only been around for the past ~1,000 years. In total number of years occupied, they are only the most recent people to be here, and have been there the least. There's no "occupation" of Palestine. It's not even a real place but a mere idea that exists in Gaza, Jordan, and Israel. Again, the Jews have been here for 3,000+ years...
Attempting to separate Judaism from the state of Israel is Leftist nonsense and bigotry.
Here is a list of Jewish organizations that are bigoted against Jews.
American Council for Judaism in the United States Anarchists Against the Wall in Israel Edah HaChareidis in Israel Jerusalem Faction in Israel Jewdas in the United Kingdom International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network based in the United States Jewish Voice for Peace in the United States[1] Malachim in the United States Mishkenos HoRoim in Israel Satmar in the United States Union des progressistes juifs de Belgique Neturei Karta in Israel, Germany, the United Kingdom, and the United States Sikrikim in Israel Een Ander Joods Geluid in the Netherlands
I came in here expecting to see exactly what I'm seeing here. Not shocked. You simply parrot literally whatever the left commands you to care about. Do you have any views at all that are not totally in-line with CURRENT radical leftist ideology? On the day Israel has it's worst attack in nearly 25 years, you blabber about all this nonsense.
How about this... the Jews have been on that land for over 3,000 years. In order of sheer number of years occupied, you have:
- The Jews - The Christians - The Pagans - The Muslims
Islam has only been around for the past ~1,000 years. In total number of years occupied, they are only the most recent people to be here, and have been there the least. There's no "occupation" of Palestine. It's not even a real place but a mere idea that exists in Gaza, Jordan, and Israel. Again, the Jews have been here for 3,000+ years...
Sorry to be so blunt, "82-T/A," but you are confusing radical leftist ideology with a general agreement that exists among moderates, liberals and progressives, that there is no good future for Israel that doesn't include some kind of "game changer" to improve the lot of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, and the Palestinians who are still concentrated elsewhere in refugee camps—or what started as refugee camps—in Lebanon, Jordan and perhaps some other areas in the Middle East.
Israel's Arab citizens, both Muslim and Christian, also need to be granted a better footing in terms of how Israel and Israeli society "rolls."
It's ridiculous to call this "radical leftist ideology," in the face of such a large number of Americans who think this way.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I came in here expecting to see exactly what I'm seeing here. Not shocked. You simply parrot literally whatever the left commands you to care about. Do you have any views at all that are not totally in-line with CURRENT radical leftist ideology?
Well apparently the "current radical leftist ideology" used to be supported by Republicans. The United Nations has always been overwhelming opposed to the actions of Israel concerning their blatant disregard of previous treaties and UN resolutions. But the United States has usually protected Israel by using their veto power as a member of the Security Council. But recent Democrat Presidents Obama and Biden have been LESS willing to use the veto power then previous Republican Presidents.
President Reagan allowed 21 UN resolutions that directly or indirectly condemned Israeli behavior and actions to pass. These included condemning Israel for the bombing of Lebanon, Iraq, and Tunisia. George H.W. Bush allowed nine UN resolutions, including one that criticized Israel for deporting Palestinians that it perceived as anti-Israel to pass, while George W. Bush allowed six more, including one that called on Israel to stop demolishing the houses of Palestinian civilians. Obama allowed only one UN resolution against the expansion of the settlements to pass before leaving office in December 2016.
So I guess Reagan and both the Bushes were all "radical leftists".
there are radical ultra-orthodox jews who are even trying to run out christians
'' 13 heads of Christian communities in Jerusalem issued a joint statement entitled, “The Current Threat to the Christian Presence in the Holy Land,” that said, “Christians have become the target of frequent and sustained attacks by fringe radical groups. Since 2012 there have been countless incidents of physical and verbal assaults against priests and other clergy, attacks on Christian churches, with holy sites regularly vandalized and desecrated, and ongoing intimidation of local Christians who simply seek to worship freely and go about their daily lives. These tactics are being used by such radical groups in a systematic attempt to drive the Christian community out of Jerusalem and other parts of the Holy Land.” The statement acknowledged “the declared commitment of the Israeli government to uphold a safe and secure home for Christians in the Holy Land” but said, “It is therefore a matter of grave concern when this national commitment is betrayed by the failure of local politicians, officials and law enforcement agencies to curb the activities of radical groups who regularly intimidate local Christians, assault priests and clergy, and desecrate Holy Sites and church properties.” The appeal continued, “The principle that the spiritual and cultural character of Jerusalem’s distinct and historic quarters should be protected is already recognized in Israeli law with respect to the Jewish Quarter. Yet radical groups continue to acquire strategic property in the Christian Quarter, with the aim of diminishing the Christian presence, often using underhanded dealings and intimidation tactics to evict residents from their homes, dramatically decreasing the Christian presence, and further disrupting the historic pilgrim routes between Bethlehem and Jerusalem.”
Be wary of any bigot poster here that labels anyone who disagrees with his anti-Israel politics as a "Zionist".
He is full of crap and trying to deceive you.
Attempting to separate Judaism from the state of Israel is Leftist nonsense and bigotry.
2023 Israeli census shows that 73.5% of the population isJEWISH
The U.S. government estimates the total Palestinian population at 3 million in the West Bank and 2 million in the Gaza Strip (midyear 2022). According to the U.S. government and other sources, Palestinian residents of these territories are predominantly Sunni Muslims, with small Shia and Ahmadi Muslim communities.
so 5 million in occupied areas and maybe that many more in exile
so randye's number is a LIE AN OFFICIAL LIE The State of Israel had a population of approximately 9.73 million inhabitants as of March 2023. Some 73.5% were Jews of all backgrounds (about 7.145 million individuals),[3] 21% were Arab of any religion other than Jewish (about 2.048 AS WHEN ONE ADDS THE 3 MILLION IN THE WEST BANK PLUS GAZA'S 2 MILLION WE GET 50/50 ARAB VS JEWS THE TRUE NUMBER FROM THE WHOLE AREA AT WAR
Yeah, and we saw how well that worked out for the Jewish people when they didn't have any nation willing to protect them or even support their right to exist.
So I guess that means that the arab Concentration Camp is firing back this time ?
That's correct. The difference(s) between "Judaism" and "Zionism" is a difference of semantics.
"Semantics" is concerned with the meaning of words and sentences.
It's popular for people to dismiss what they perceive as trivial distinctions or splitting hairs during an argument as a matter of "semantics,", but what people should really say is it's just a matter of "syntax," or a matter of "grammar."
Semantics is important. When it comes to spoken and written language, semantics isn't everything: it's the only thing.
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Jew, Cristian, Hindu, Catholic.... Does it matter.
How about Muslim Animals hiding behind a book, how would you feel if it was your daughter taken from a music festival, parade around and video shown of how these "hostages" are being treated. I saw a video of a woman being forced into a truck, she had soiled herself. Armed men, they were not engaging other armed men, this was a woman that had no protected but to **** herself. Another picture shows a stripped body that turned out to be one of the girls from the festival, they paraded around with this person in the back of a truck.
I don't care what you label these animals, I hope they glass them and make sure they know exactly what to expect each and every time.
Whines about semantics in a thread. Starts a new thread about semantics.
I point out when people make a big deal about different words that actually mean the same thing. For example, when discussing the ability to regulate something, a lot of people will start talking about the difference between "rights" and "privileges", but that does not make any difference. Both can be regulated. That is what I call an issue of "semantics" It doesn't matter which term you use.
But "Zionism" and "Judaism" have different meanings. So that is NOT an issue with "semantics". I can criticize the political actions taken in the name of Zionism without criticizing the Jewish religion or people.
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I point out when people make a big deal about different words that actually mean the same thing. For example, when discussing the ability to regulate something, a lot of people will start talking about the difference between "rights" and "privileges", but that does not make any difference. Both can be regulated. That is what I call an issue of "semantics" It doesn't matter which term you use.
But "Zionism" and "Judaism" have different meanings. So that is NOT an issue with "semantics". I can criticize the political actions taken in the name of Zionism without criticizing the Jewish religion or people.
Fred, when people are clearly on the "wrong side" of history, they attempt to wordsmith semantics to explain away how what they're supporting isn't really what we actually see them supporting. Having actually gone to war, I don't like it. I spent 6 months of my life doing whatever I could to protect innocent Afghans and help them elect a new president. It's not Islam, it's not Judaism, it's Iran... and Iran funds the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. That's all this is... it's not about peaceful coexistence, it's about a fundamentalist desire to destroy the Jews from a radical religious leader known as the Ayatollah Cockamamie.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Fred, when people are clearly on the "wrong side" of history, they attempt to wordsmith semantics to explain away how what they're supporting isn't really what we actually see them supporting. Having actually gone to war, I don't like it. I spent 6 months of my life doing whatever I could to protect innocent Afghans and help them elect a new president. It's not Islam, it's not Judaism, it's Iran... and Iran funds the Taliban in Afghanistan, and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. That's all this is... it's not about peaceful coexistence, it's about a fundamentalist desire to destroy the Jews from a radical religious leader known as the Ayatollah Cockamamie.
yes and saddly we fund with our taxes the jews BILLIONS EVERY YEAR the jews run the whole scam poorly with fundamentalist desire to exclude others
BOTH SIDES ARE RELIGIOUS NUTS BOTH SIDES DO EVIL BOTH SIDES COMMIT WAR CRIMES NETHER SIDE WANTS TO END THE WORLD BUT SOME CHRISTIANS DO WANT THAT VERY THING END ALL LIFE HERE AS PART OF THE END TIMES THAT REQUIRES A REBUILT TEMPLE SO A VICTORIOUS ISRAEL IS NEEDED TO END THE WORLD FOR THEIR GODS RETURN
don't blame me I just read their buybull I did not write it
yes and saddly we fund with our taxes the jews BILLIONS EVERY YEAR the jews run the whole scam poorly with fundamentalist desire to exclude others
BOTH SIDES ARE RELIGIOUS NUTS BOTH SIDES DO EVIL BOTH SIDES COMMIT WAR CRIMES NETHER SIDE WANTS TO END THE WORLD BUT SOME CHRISTIANS DO WANT THAT VERY THING END ALL LIFE HERE AS PART OF THE END TIMES THAT REQUIRES A REBUILT TEMPLE SO A VICTORIOUS ISRAEL IS NEEDED TO END THE WORLD FOR THEIR GODS RETURN
don't blame me I just read their buybull I did not write it
''It's a good bet that Trump telling General Milley to give him an Iran attack plan, was a request from Putin that went to Iran. Consider how emboldened Iran must be to do a Hamas attack on Israel, knowing there would be a response. Iran now has a good idea how the US would respond, targets, what we will or will not do. They've had a couple of years to develop countermeasures to US military action. Trump should be in custody for this. He emboldened Iran to have Hamas attack Israel.''
question whose custody for this should the rump be in ? ours or Israel ?
and if PROVEN THE SCUM BAG DID THAT GAVE IRAN OUR RESPONSE PLANS then what ?
please NO what abouting just the rump and now what if proven
''It's a good bet that Trump telling General Milley to give him an Iran attack plan, was a request from Putin that went to Iran. Consider how emboldened Iran must be to do a Hamas attack on Israel, knowing there would be a response. Iran now has a good idea how the US would respond, targets, what we will or will not do. They've had a couple of years to develop countermeasures to US military action. Trump should be in custody for this. He emboldened Iran to have Hamas attack Israel.''
question whose custody for this should the rump be in ? ours or Israel ?
and if PROVEN THE SCUM BAG DID THAT GAVE IRAN OUR RESPONSE PLANS then what ?
please NO what abouting just the rump and now what if proven
''It's a good bet that Trump telling General Milley to give him an Iran attack plan, was a request from Putin that went to Iran. Consider how emboldened Iran must be to do a Hamas attack on Israel, knowing there would be a response. Iran now has a good idea how the US would respond, targets, what we will or will not do. They've had a couple of years to develop countermeasures to US military action. Trump should be in custody for this. He emboldened Iran to have Hamas attack Israel.''
question whose custody for this should the rump be in ? ours or Israel ?
and if PROVEN THE SCUM BAG DID THAT GAVE IRAN OUR RESPONSE PLANS then what ?
please NO what abouting just the rump and now what if proven
You mean when Trump shared ISIS intel with Russia in 2017? So in 2017 Israel shared ISIS intel with the US, Trump gave ISIS intel to Russia, Russia shared it with Iran, Iran got mad that the intel came from Israel so told Hamas to attack Israel 6 years later.
You mean when Trump shared ISIS intel with Russia in 2017? So in 2017 Israel shared ISIS intel with the US, Trump gave ISIS intel to Russia, Russia shared it with Iran, Iran got mad that the intel came from Israel so told Hamas to attack Israel 6 years later.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Fred, when people are clearly on the "wrong side" of history, they attempt to wordsmith semantics to explain away how what they're supporting isn't really what we actually see them supporting.
It's not Islam, it's not Judaism, it's Iran.
You don't know anything about history if you think the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about Iran.
For example, do you know who the leader of Iran was during the Six Day War in 1967? You really think that our little puppet was behind the attacks on Israel?
You don't know anything about history if you think the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is all about Iran.
You remind me of another Leftoid on this forum that intentionally misstates and/or garbles every issue and manages to be totally WRONG on a constant basis.
