Originally posted by cliffw: Why is CNN on the leftist zhit list? CNN is rinselberg's audio/visual version of the New York Slimes, maybe he will lend a little insight.
I don't have CNN on screen very often. When I want the News & Opinion genre in TV format, I go with MSNBC exclusively. Except for the late on Friday, Saturday and Sunday slots when MSNBC has "filler" like Dateline.
I have some ideas about it, but since I've only seen a few short clips from the CNN Town Hall (with Donald Trump) being aired on MSNBC as part of MSNBC's coverage of the CNN Town Hall (with Donald Trump)... I'm not eager to get into it.
I'm also hungry... "When you're thinking Arby's, you can't think of anything else." The old Arby's tagline, which was superseded (quite some time ago, already) by "We have the meats!" But I'm not thinking Arby's. I'm thinking Urban Plate. A more upmarket franchise, although not that many notches above Arby's. Two notches above. All their locations are in California.
I'm too hungry to want to linger over this any longer, at the moment.
Bon appétit, rinse. (If I do say so myself.)
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Originally posted by rinselberg: When I want the News & Opinion genre in TV format, I go with MSNBC exclusively. I have some ideas about it, but since I've only seen a few short clips from the CNN Town Hall (with Donald Trump) being aired on MSNBC as part of MSNBC's coverage of the CNN Town Hall (with Donald Trump)... I'm not eager to get into it.
Leftist eat their own though. If you are not "far left wing antifa pink haired trans lives matter leftist", you aren't left enough and they want to see you burn.
Of course, it's all about ratings. MSNBC wants to make CNN look bad for giving Trump a platform for his lies, complete with Trump shills in the studio audience "whooping" on cue.
Originally posted by cliffw: Why is CNN on the leftist zhit list?
How much time and effort does "cliffw" want to invest in exploring answers to his question? This YouTube segment is just over 16 minutes for the whole shebang. Of course, "cliffw" and anyone else with that same question on their mind (about CNN) could just see how it starts and decide whether they want to see any more of it.
If I had the part that came after this, where MSNBC's Mehdi Hasan came on as a guest (on Lawrence's show) I would make that available instead. It would cut right to the chase. But since I don't have that, this is what I offer instead.
I personally don't mind that CNN produced this "Town Hall" in the way that they did, but if "cliffw" (et al) want to explore this question that has been presented to this forum, of "Why is CNN on the leftist 'zhit' list?", I think they should have this YouTube that I have posted here. They should have (at least some of) this YouTube-enabled experience, if they are serious in any way about this question.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: How much time and effort does "cliffw" want to invest in exploring answers to his question?
cliffw knew the answers before he asked the question. I didn't think MSNBC was more of a favorite to you than CNN. You cite CNN as much as the New York Slimes.
I rarely look to your clip examples because, unlike you, I have a rounded news intelligence. Don't think I do not monitor CNN or MSNBC. If you think you know the answers of the question I asked, you DON'T.
I will take a look at your clip. Nothing wrong with starting the day with humor.
Of course, it's all about ratings. MSNBC wants to make CNN look bad for giving Trump a platform for his lies, complete with Trump shills in the studio audience "whooping" on cue.
Liars gotta lie
Please, start a thread and 'fisk' it. Point out these lies you so claim.
No different then all the legal crap against Trump. Those that fund the law suits/legal actions. Those that are part of the jury. Those that are the DAs. Those that manipulate the laws to bring about a BS case. Even the judges.
The Donald drew blood in the lefts own lion den, he needs to be silenced and mocked even harder now.
Please, start a thread and 'fisk' it. Point out these lies you so claim.
Why would I bother? Those so enamored by this con man have no interest in exposing themselves to factual information. They prefer Donald's Delusions.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy:
No different then all the legal crap against Trump. Those that fund the law suits/legal actions. Those that are part of the jury. Those that are the DAs. Those that manipulate the laws to bring about a BS case. Even the judges.
Yessir, they're all in on it. Poor little innocent Donny. He's just... misunderstood.
Originally posted by cliffw: I will take a look at your clip. Nothing wrong with starting the day with humor.
My my. I should have looked at it. It is comedy gold. I regret having more worthless things to do.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Of course, it's all about ratings. MSNBC wants to make CNN look bad for giving Trump a platform for his lies, complete with Trump shills in the studio audience "whooping" on cue.
Oh my. I think you are as just as confused as rinselberg. How do you know CNN hired Trump shills ? Are you upset that CNN didn't hire those with Trump Derangement Syndrome ? I have a theory. CNN was a top dog, when they could talk bad about Trump. They failed this time.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Liars gotta lie
Let me fix that for you. Leftists gotta lie
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Oh my. I think you are as just as confused as rinselberg. How do you know CNN hired Trump shills ?
Talk about being "confused"! How'd you ever get into your head that "CNN hired Trump shills"? Why on earth would they do that? It's much more likely that Trump agreed to do the interview only as long as he was able to select the audience from among his brain dead boot-lickers.
A group of privileged Biden Brats doing their "end fossil fuels" campaign decided to eat their own again. They protested a Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar event.
They were proud they disrupted the event and made her walk off the stage. Well, the Biden Brats just lost another supporter of their cause.
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Originally posted by WonderBoy: Please, start a thread and 'fisk' it. Point out these lies you so claim.
"Fisk it"..? That had me wondering. I was thinking "What's that mean?" Obviously, WonderBoy is equating "fisk it" with the idea or the process of someone identifying ("pointing out") lies, or what they perceive to be lies. But I have to say, I had not ever encountered the phrase "fisk it", heretofore.
Here's something I want to share in the way of Cultural Enrichment.
I thought about the idea of "pointing out" lies... "pointing"... and I thought of this:
I thought of Carlton Fisk! The celebrated Major League Baseball player whose name is forever linked with a dramatic moment in Game Six of the 1975 World Series between the American League Boston Red Sox and the National League Cincinnati Reds. Fisk, having his customary place in the Red Sox lineup as Catcher, had his turn to bat in the 12th inning, with the game tied at 6-all... 6 runs for each team. Fisk, a right-handed batter, pulled a ball down the left field line. It had home run distance, but the question, as the baseball streaked towards its final destination, was whether it would be Fair (a home run) or Foul (a "long strike").
In the first photograph in this sequence, at the left, Fisk's arms are upraised as he is (famously) trying to "wave" the ball to be Fair. Like "pointing"... pointing to the fair side of the left field foul line.That's the connection I made.
It was ruled a Fair Ball and a Home Run, and since the game was at the Red Sox home field at Fenway Park, it was a game-ending or "walk off" home run that immediately signified a 7-6 Red Sox victory and extended the 1975 World Series to a seventh and deciding game.
Here's a one-minute video clip on YouTube of the famous episode for the sake of Cultural Enrichment: https://youtu.be/2WRi6iZAl-I
I really thought that was the likely explanation for this "fisk it" terminology, which was completely new to me. Until I checked it out online.
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Fisking is a process by which an argument is disassembled and contradicted one line or point at a time, rather than addressed in its entirety. This particular term usually refers to this process being performed on the Internet, typically through a blog or on an Internet forum or bulletin board. When done online, there is usually a great deal of sarcasm, vitriol, and profanity included in the process of deconstructing and countering the argument. Fisking can be seen as a poor form of argument by some, though many find it to be an effective means of conveying both derision and disagreement.
The term “fisking” comes from a popular, award-winning British journalist by the name of Robert Fisk, whose articles were often targeted by these types of rebuttals. While these initial forms of arguments were typically made by American conservatives, who disagreed with the points and ideas of Fisk, it has since expanded well beyond its initial political formation. Fisking can be used by anyone to argue against any type of opinion or argument made, though it is usually done on the Internet, which presents an ideal format for line-by-line rebuttal. This type of rebuttal seeks to destroy the individual points made in an argument, which acts to counter the entirety of the argument without having to ever address the overall message of it.
One of the primary aspects of fisking is the use of deconstruction in taking an argument apart and making a counterargument or rebuttal for each point. This can be done on a line-by-line basis, though it is often done for each paragraph or individual point made by a person in his or her initial statement. The Internet provides a perfect environment for this type of argument, since it allows a person to quote and repost the original statement, divided into sections, and then add commentary or rebuttal after each section. While this process is similar to certain methods used in organized debate, fisking is also marked by an open and pronounced level of hostility.
Obviously a long distance from Carlton Fisk and the 1975 baseball World Series!
Thank you rinse, for this valuable Cultural Enrichment. (If I do say so myself.) Tell me, rinse, what did you think of? I cannot pass up a chance to have Cultural Enrichment
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Originally posted by Wichita: A group of privileged Biden Brats doing their "end fossil fuels" campaign decided to eat their own again. They protested a Democratic Senator Amy Klobuchar event. They were proud [that] they disrupted the event and made her walk off the stage. Well, the Biden Brats just lost another supporter of their cause.
Biden Brats?
It would seem (I don't have any background on this protest, because no link or source was provided) that these protesters are not "Biden Brats", because President Biden isn't leading any kind of fast and bold "Charge of the Light Brigade" to End Fossil Fuels. The President is now the target of negative reaction from some of the more visible and vocal environmental and climate activists and advocates over the recent decision of the Biden administration to green light the $8 billion ConocoPhillips "Willow" project for new oil drilling on part of Alaska's North Slope.
One of the exploratory drilling sites for the ConocoPhillips "Willow" oil development project on Alaska's North Slope.
The Biden administration green lighted the project in March. The reasons behind that decision, how it will actually play out over the next years and decades, in terms of the national dependence on fossil fuels and the transition to zero or lower carbon sources of energy... not so simple to analyze. Don't look for any clarity or insight on it from the Biden Brats-talking crowd. Their "thing" is memes, cartoons, catchy little phrases like "Biden Brats"—but not thinking.
Obviously the President has lined up with the movement to transition away from national dependence on fossil fuels (natural gas, oil and coal) but he is hardly on the vanguard of it like these End Fossil Fuels protesters that want to do away with all fossil fuel dependence as quickly as they can imagine it being done—instead of what is clearly the Biden administration's thinking of curtailing the use of fossil fuels, but doing it in a more gradual and prolonged kind of transition.
Biden Brats? I think not. I don't think it's an accurate way of describing these End Fossil Fuel protesters. I actually have not seen "Biden Brats" anywhere except on this forum, but having a good memory for how it has been used previously on this forum, I would call it a bumper sticker-like slogan, stupidly empty of meaning, that has found a home in some correspondingly empty spaces inside of certain human skulls where there should be gray matter instead.
Perhaps in this instance, the "Biden Brats" phrase has more meaning than on numerous previous occasions on this forum, when I remember how stupidly it was used. But I'm not seeing it that clearly as being a good description of these protesters. It seems more like someone's oddly uncommon pet phrase that's being rolled out on this forum again, as it already has been on this forum, from time to time, in the absence of any actual thought process.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Talk about being "confused"! How'd you ever get into your head that "CNN hired Trump shills"? Why on earth would they do that? It's much more likely that Trump agreed to do the interview only as long as he was able to select the audience from among his brain dead boot-lickers.
Weak !
I never said or thought CNN hired shills. You, YOU, are the one who said ...
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Originally posted by Patrick: MSNBC wants to make CNN look bad for giving Trump a platform for his lies, complete with Trump shills in the studio audience "whooping" on cue.
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Originally posted by Patrick: You calling Donald a Leftist ?!!
Perhaps a little reading comprehension would do you well. PM me your address and I will Fed Ex you a six pack of common sense.
When you say you need a “Leftist Expert”, do you mean an expert on Leftists or a Leftist who is an expert?
If you need an expert on Leftists, you need to look for a psychiatrist. On the other hand, if you need a Leftist who is an expert, you need to look for a psychiatrist and ask him when he will conduct his next basket weaving class.
Originally posted by williegoat: When you say you need a “Leftist Expert”, do you mean an expert on Leftists or a Leftist who is an expert?
Good question.
All leftists think they are experts, including the thought they are experts on leftists. Some people are not leftist enough to be a leftist. According to leftists.
Great White sharks are leftist. Bacteria are leftist. Broken head bolts are leftist. Forest fires are leftist. Right-hand drive vehicles are leftist. Planet-killer asteroids are leftist. The damn squirrels trying to get into my attic are leftist.
Between Wichita and myself, I believe we've pretty much covered 'em all... but feel free to add to the list!
Biden said the greatest threat to America is domestic white supremacy.
White supremacist are leftist.
And "Wichita" came to this conclusion because..?
So the Tiki Torch-carrying "alt-rights" that marched through Charlottesville during the Unite The Right rally ("nice people on both sides") were talking about the private sector and how more aspects of the American economic system should be converted to a socialist economic framework? Really?
I thought they were laser-focused on "Blood and Soil" and "Jews will not replace us!"... the usual White Nationalist garbage.
"The Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, but we need to go all the way to a Single Payer national health insurance system."
That was when he somehow came to the conclusion that the large pro-Nazi rally at Madison Square Garden in 1939 (well known to history) was a gathering of "leftists". Which makes about as much sense as pointing to an assortment of marbles of all the various colors and calling it a bag full of blue-colored marbles.
It doesn't make any sense at all.
I would go back and duplicate his exact words, but I don't have a way to find that post. It stuck in my memory, though, as "clear as a bell."
There's an idea that's been seized upon, that it's logical to attach the word "leftist" to white supremacists because "Nazi" was the short way (in German) of referencing the National Socialist Party.
That's a stupidly uneducated idea. As stupid as describing an assortment of different colored marbles as "blue-colored marbles". There are certain people who ought to refrain from using the word "leftist" until they educate themselves about what it means.
Wichita has become the poster boy for "This Is Your Brain on Memes and Cartoons"... a public service announcement that needs to be infiltrated into the social media networks where he gets all of this "stuff".
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They're still trying to make everyone forget all of it.
This post would be very accurate... IF you were to remove every ill-considered (or intentionally duplicitous) use of the word "Leftist", which is every use of the word "Leftist" in this post, and IF you were to remove the very last sentence "They're still trying to make everyone forget all of it," in which "They're" (They) stands in for "Leftists".
Aside from that... great post!
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Originally posted by Patrick: It might make sense to someone who's lost all their marbles.
Too funny. I really didn't see that one coming.
A typical assortment of game marbles of various and opaque colors (left), juxtaposed with translucent marbles of "cobalt blue".
Marbles are well known as both decorative objects and as a sine qua non of games that are often (but not exclusively) played by children.
Marbles are commonly made of glass, but they can also be fashioned from gemstones and other materials.
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Originally posted by Wichita:
Biden said the greatest threat to America is domestic white supremacy.
White supremacist are leftist.
That "marbles primer" or "Marbles 101" (Marbles for Dummies?) may seem like it should not have to be explained, but when I see ill-considered and completely unqualified assertions like "White supremacist are leftist," and I see this on a recurring basis, it leads me to think that there is no such thing as "so obvious that it can go without explanation" on this forum. Not even marbles.
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Originally posted by Patrick: I was simply describing the audience. You YOU are the one who made the as usual incorrect leap of logic!
Your logic is weak.
My, you live a humble modest life.
We never realized you are a forensic psychologist. Where did you get your credentials ? Conspiracy Theory University ?
You Patrick, are the one who also doesn't like Trump to look good. CNN has never been kind to him. Ever. CNN is not the only leftist propagandist news organization to give Trump a platform. Trump just kicked leftist azz and won over the audience. Just as he whipped 16 established Republicans in the Primary debates, and Shillary in the in the General debate. Most hosted by hostile, to Trump, moderators. Trump then won over the American voters and became POTUS.
Despite what Nobama said.
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Obama to Trump: At least I will go down in history as being a real American President.
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Originally posted by Patrick: Sure, send me all you can spare. Postage for an empty envelope should be minimal.
There will be an 18 wheeler there tomorrow. COD, .
Originally posted by rinselberg: I thought they were ...
Therein lies your problem.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: There are certain people who ought to refrain from using the word "leftist" until they educate themselves about what it means.
Certain people ? Who would they be ? Educate them about what leftist means. I don't think you can.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Which makes about as much sense as pointing to an assortment of marbles of all the various colors and calling it a bag full of blue-colored marbles.
Biden said the greatest threat to America is domestic white supremacy.
White supremacist are leftist.
Patrick and myself are the only two forum members who have directly critiqued this unqualified assertion that "White supremacists are leftists." (A qualified assertion would be "Some white supremacists are leftists."
What are some recent or current examples of groups or individuals that are identifiably "white supremacist" in some of their beliefs and also "leftist" in some (some other of?) their beliefs?
The equivalencing of recent and current Democrats with the Democrats of the Civil War and the Jim Crow eras is risible. The only connection that's being made is the persistence of a nomenclature... the use of "Democrat" and "Democratic Party" as the name of a political party that goes all the way back to before the Civil War. The name has persisted, but the political party has evolved.
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How'd you ever get into your head that "CNN hired Trump shills"? Why on earth would they do that? It's much more likely that Trump agreed to do the interview only as long as he was able to select the audience from among his brain dead boot-lickers.
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