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Since no one is going to buy my fiero. by timenewton
Started on: 10-18-2018 04:49 PM
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//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/077221.html

Thats the link to my fiero for sale but it seems no one wants to buy it so, I guess im dragging it with me rubs the tear from his eye.

Ok Since I have a 3.8 SC I find the 4.10 4 speed to be less than fun for the car. My parts car has a getrag, how much of a mechanic would I need to be to swap this out after a rebuild kit of course? (My mechanic level, is rebuilt a motorcycle and synced 4 carbs on it, little engines, change belts, basic tuneups) Another question would it benefit me to install a 4t65e, of course which I couldnt do myself, what would a pricetag look for that?

The 4 speed 4.10 has a great start but everything else is meh, 60mph at 3k rpm = no fun.

I have alot of great ideas for my fiero but I am just afraid I may not have time to do it, im going back in the ARMY as an officer.
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Since all of my current cars use the Getrag 282 transmission, I may not be the best source for this info but I can at least start the list. You would likely need to change out the following items at a minimum:

Transmission
Slave cylinder
Shifter
Shift and Select cables
Possibly some wiring wrt the reverse safety switch
Potentially clutch assembly (clutch, throw out bearing, pressure plate, etc.)

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Thank you for going back into the military to serve our country.
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Thank you for going back into the military to serve our country.
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Thank you for going back into the military to serve our country.


Thanks frenzy. I always enjoy the military. Some fun days and some crappy days.
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If you want to go auto you will need:
New axle on one side.
Flexplate & bolts
The Fiero autoshifter (bolts right in)
A radiator with a transmission cooler or a separate cooler
Fabricated trans cooler lines
The transmission wire harness wired into the PCM
and your PCM reprogrammed to shift it.
The transmission itself

Swapping in the Getrag is nearly as much work but the prices on those boxes are pretty high right now. Its one of the few Fiero parts that is still in high demand as some of the engine swap guys are blowing them up while others are just worn out. . IMO the most economical solution is to go with one of the Getrags used on other GM vehicles-Chevy Beretta, Cavalier etc etc For that you'll need Rodney Dickmans conversion parts kit.

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If I was in a position financially I would jump on this.

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Originally posted by Dennis LaGrua:

If you want to go auto you will need:
New axle on one side.
Flexplate & bolts
The Fiero autoshifter (bolts right in)
A radiator with a transmission cooler or a separate cooler
Fabricated trans cooler lines
The transmission wire harness wired into the PCM
and your PCM reprogrammed to shift it.
The transmission itself

Swapping in the Getrag is nearly as much work but the prices on those boxes are pretty high right now. Its one of the few Fiero parts that is still in high demand as some of the engine swap guys are blowing them up while others are just worn out. . IMO the most economical solution is to go with one of the Getrags used on other GM vehicles-Chevy Beretta, Cavalier etc etc For that you'll need Rodney Dickmans conversion parts kit.




I have a getrag in my parts fiero that was working till the engine blew about 2 years ago. Realistically its cheaper to just mate the getrag and take out the 4.10. I could manage that with alittle time since there is no additional electronics involved. I would like the auto but that would be an extra few grand im assuming to maybe find someone that would or could do that. I have no knowledge of what you stated. I can however swap parts. With that being said, I have a few questions about getting the getrag out and what I will need.

Questions: What size is the axle nut that holds the axle to the hub? How do I get the nut that holds the strut not to turn while ratcheting? Also will my 4 speed axles work with the 5 speed? Also will the spec 3 clutch in the 4 speed fit the 5 speed?

Heres what I need tell me if im missing something: transmission, tranny cables, tranny mounts, (cant remember the name, the tranny specific thing that push the clutch in), gear shifter and mount, slave cylinder and mount.

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I did find out that its a 30mm deep well socket for the axle nuts. Any help for the rest would be appreciated.
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Report this Post10-21-2018 08:16 AM Click Here to See the Profile for olejoedadClick Here to Email olejoedadSend a Private Message to olejoedadEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The axles will work.
The clutch and throw out bearing are transmission specific.
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Originally posted by timenewton:

...How do I get the nut that holds the strut not to turn while ratcheting? Also will my 4 speed axles work with the 5 speed? Also will the spec 3 clutch in the 4 speed fit the 5 speed?

Heres what I need tell me if im missing something: transmission, tranny cables, tranny mounts, (cant remember the name, the tranny specific thing that push the clutch in), gear shifter and mount, slave cylinder and mount.



You don't need to remove the big nuts from the top of the struts.
Remove the parking brake cables and caliper (just tie it up out of the way) toe link nut, the ball joint bolt, the axle nut, and the three 13mm nuts at the top of the strut tower. Remove the strut and knuckle as one large assembly.
The "tranny-specific things" I think you are talking about are a slave cylinder, and push rod. You'll need one of those. Rodney Dickman sells the best slave cylinders known to man.

Your clutch may work, but you will absolutely need a Getrag release bearing. You'll have to put it all back together and check clearances.
Some pressure plates will hit the inside of the Getrag clutch housing. Also, some release fingers will sit higher or lower than others. If you've got enough free play on the release arm with everything bolted together, and the engine/trans rotates without binding, you should be good.

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You don't need to remove the big nuts from the top of the struts.
Remove the parking brake cables and caliper (just tie it up out of the way) toe link nut, the ball joint bolt, the axle nut, and the three 13mm nuts at the top of the strut tower. Remove the strut and knuckle as one large assembly.
The "tranny-specific things" I think you are talking about are a slave cylinder, and push rod. You'll need one of those. Rodney Dickman sells the best slave cylinders known to man.

Your clutch may work, but you will absolutely need a Getrag release bearing. You'll have to put it all back together and check clearances.
Some pressure plates will hit the inside of the Getrag clutch housing. Also, some release fingers will sit higher or lower than others. If you've got enough free play on the release arm with everything bolted together, and the engine/trans rotates without binding, you should be good.



Ok I did what you said, and I must be down to the last bolt. The rear of the tranny is loose, ive got the starter off and out, what bolt am I missing? Or does the tranny pop out like an axle with a good tug?
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I found it guys, thanks for your help. Although one of my bolts broke in half on one of the brackets for the cable. That will be fun to get out.
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Got your PM. Glad you got it.
Sorry. Couldn't answer from work, since the Forum is blocked.

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