Want to clean up and spray paint some items. Anyone know what paint color or brand of red is the same or close to the original color of the stock upper manifold plenum ?? Reply please, and thank you.
Hey IMSA GT......I just used that on one of my formula's when I redid the entire drivetrain. It is darker than the factory color. I used the VHT caliper red. Was a lot closer color to factory. Either one is close, will take a good eye to tell either is not stock. Whichever one you choose, rou might want to do the ennum and valve covers so they all match. I have yet to find a exact match to the factory color. Both are very close Hope this helps Brian
Hey IMSA GT......I just used that on one of my formula's when I redid the entire drivetrain. It is darker than the factory color. I used the VHT caliper red. Was a lot closer color to factory. Either one is close, will take a good eye to tell either is not stock. Whichever one you choose, rou might want to do the ennum and valve covers so they all match. I have yet to find a exact match to the factory color. Both are very close Hope this helps Brian
Thats the issue. No one seems to know the exact color code. I know some have powdercoated their intake also.
Ok....cool.....wasnt sure if u knew that...lol Has anyone thought about going to a paint shop and having them mix the color off of a original intake. I have seen them match some odd colors over the years. Just a idea if someone wants it exact. Brian
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Has anyone thought about going to a paint shop and having them mix the color off of a original intake.
Thats the other issue. I'm pretty sure that the color on all of the existing intakes and valve covers has slightly faded so they may have actually started out as a slightly darker color. The only real way to tell and be as close to original is to find one of these rare low mile Fiero's and do a color analysis from it's intake color.
The closest thing to original I could find here to repaint the upper plenum is Duplicolor Ford Red CDE1605 Duplicolor still lists Chrysler Industrial Red DE1632 - BUT not available in Canada anywhere - and hard to find in the US I hear.
The valve covers on the engine are new NOS from the box (had these on the shelf for a few years) You can see how closely the Ford Red matches them. (Chevy orange-red is too orange by the way).
I found a Chrysler engine red at a parts store that was close to the engine in my car. But the red on Fiero engines is not constant, and what matches in one car may not match in another. So test what you buy first.
I also use the Duplicolor Ford Engine Red High Temp. I compared a repainted piece to a very low mileage 88 and they were almost identical. Something I do that seems to bring the color a little closer to OEM is, after it's dried for about a day, place it in a preheated oven at 250-300 degrees for a half hour. It sets the paint and changes the color slightly.
One of my engines I repainted with the Ford Engine Red.
The closest thing to original I could find here to repaint the upper plenum is Duplicolor Ford Red CDE1605 Duplicolor still lists Chrysler Industrial Red DE1632 - BUT not available in Canada anywhere - and hard to find in the US I hear.
These are the two I've seen match well.
The thing is the red from the factory on Fieros actually varied some. Some are more orange and some are darker red.
On sale now for $11.60Cdn including free shipping. But............it's out of stock. They will ship when available. I figure I can wait for that price.
The ford is much better match than the chevy orange .
As for the mopar industrial .. any autobody paint supply(local) should be able to mix you a pint of imiron or even a 1/2 pint. just another option .. I'd be willing to bet any big rig /equipment fleet supplier has it on the shelf .. most of the 20 yard or larger dump trailers frame are that red..
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On sale now for $11.60Cdn including free shipping. But............it's out of stock. They will ship when available. I figure I can wait for that price.
Originally posted by bkw88: Has anyone thought about going to a paint shop and having them mix the color off of a original intake. I have seen them match some odd colors over the years. Just a idea if someone wants it exact. Brian
The factory original finish on these parts was powdercoat, not paint. If you are serious about refinishing them, find a shop that does powdercoating and have them refinish the parts. Any decent powdercoating shop will have a good selection of reds, you just need to go through the chips and choose a red you like. Here's a tip, if you do choose to have them powdercoated, take the book(s) of chips outside on a sunny day to look at the colors. No better light source than the sun to see the colors correctly.
The factory original finish on these parts was powdercoat, not paint. If you are serious about refinishing them, find a shop that does powdercoating and have them refinish the parts. Any decent powdercoating shop will have a good selection of reds, you just need to go through the chips and choose a red you like. Here's a tip, if you do choose to have them powdercoated, take the book(s) of chips outside on a sunny day to look at the colors. No better light source than the sun to see the colors correctly.
In the 80's?? Are you sure it wasn't just baked on enamel .. like the off road white wheels of the same era?? and not what we think of as powder coat
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Yes. Powder coating has been around since the early 50's.
When the original finish starts to break down it comes off in flakes. If it were enamel it would be more likely to peel off like an old decal. Plus if it were an enamel I would expect a primer coat underneath it which there is not.
Yes. Powder coating has been around since the early 50's.
When the original finish starts to break down it comes off in flakes. If it were enamel it would be more likely to peel off like an old decal. Plus if it were an enamel I would expect a primer coat underneath it which there is not.
baked on enamel didn't have primer under it on wheels, what makes you think it get it on an intake.. The reason I'm questioning the powercoating,, is it might have been around for decades before the 80's.. but g.m. if g.m. was able to power coat engine parts, I think more than just the fiero would have got it.. quad 4.. the sfi 3.8 v6 ,the 3.1 v6 in the sport models econoboxes/etc.. and the TPI in the vette.. none got it.. as I'm sure the intakes were poured at the same foundry .. and the equipment would've been there..
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baked on enamel didn't have primer under it on wheels, what makes you think it get it on an intake..
These parts were cast aluminum, likely sand cast due to the rough porous finish. Enamels don't bond well to porous surfaces, but lacquers do. For an enamel to bond to a porous surface it needs a primer coat.
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Originally posted by E.Furgal:The reason I'm questioning the powercoating,, is it might have been around for decades before the 80's.. but g.m. if g.m. was able to power coat engine parts, I think more than just the fiero would have got it.. quad 4.. the sfi 3.8 v6 ,the 3.1 v6 in the sport models econoboxes/etc.. and the TPI in the vette.. none got it.. as I'm sure the intakes were poured at the same foundry .. and the equipment would've been there..
The only other GM engine I am aware of from that era that had colored/finished aluminum parts was the 2.0 turbo motor that was in the Sunbird. All of the other GM engines with aluminum intakes or valve covers had clear anodize finishes. It's not that they couldn't, but a decision was made to not do so (likely cost related). The black air filter boxes of that era were all electrocoated, the same process that is still used today on wiper arm assemblies.
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I followed the lead of others and used Duplicolor 1632. I cleaned the engine bay and removed any loose flakes. Then I taped off the parts I wanted and primed it and painted. The color is a dam close match! I used a paint brush and sprayed into the paint cap to touch up a few spots afterward. Turned out pretty good for a quick job.
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I just bought some Duplicolor Chrysler Red (DE1632) and it appears to perfectly match my 1985 Intake and an 87 intake that I am modifying....
If you look it up at Summit Racing as "DE-1632" it comes up at $5.99 an Aerosol can....(I tried searching for duplicolor DE1632 and it said not found (B-Zarre!)
I actually bought my can at the local O'Reilly......
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