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Should I buy this Fiero? by EpiK
Started on: 10-31-2013 09:38 AM
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Report this Post10-31-2013 09:38 AM Click Here to See the Profile for EpiKClick Here to Email EpiKSend a Private Message to EpiKEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So I just got enough money to buy a new car since my last one broke down and I ran into this really nice Fiero. I looked at the car fax and it did have one accident but it was all the way back in 1991. There is not too many where I live and I am not sure if it is overpriced and I had a few questions in general about the Fiero.

Anyway here is the link to the car listing:

http://www.saloghuse.com/j2.../1abd/s8/uqgl/exc/76

It has 108k miles and is a 5 speed. To me it seems like the only work done to this car seems to be the exterior as it still has the 2.8L V6. The price seems a bit high but I am not quite sure.

So if you guys don't mind me asking few questions that would be great.

Should I buy this Fiero at this price or keep looking?

How is the insurance on this car? I am 19 and I think they classify this car as a sports car.

How long does the stock engine usually last?

I plan on doing an engine swap after the stock one gives off. What would be the best engine to put it to get around a low 12 high 11 quarter mile?

Are these cars hard to work on since it is a mid-engine car?

Are parts hard to find?

How are you guys doing today?


Thanks for taking the time to read this post.

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Car looks pretty good, as far as price its al about what you are willing to pay. The stock 2.8 is a pretty good motor, just underpowered, but they last forever if taken care of. If you want an 11-12 second car you will want a 3800 swap either turbo or supercharged. Around your area there are tons of fieros for sale, just depends on how far you want to drive to go get it. If you are just doing liability insurance it should not be too bad, but that all depends on insurance factors. Personally I would hold out for an 88 model, better suspension and brakes to start with but getting harder to find suspension parts for. It all depends on your mechanical ability on how hard these little cars are to work on, I myself find them very easy now but i have owned mine since 97. Since you are up north, make sure you check the car over really carefully for rust. Some of the places you should be looking is at the engine cradle, and the trunk under the carpet. Just remember 95% of these vehicle are project cars, something will be wrong with whatever you buy.

here is a really nice example of what is around you.

http://detroit.craigslist.o.../cto/4115829643.html

http://limaohio.craigslist.org/cto/4127671809.html

Here is an already swapped one for you as well dont know if he has sold it yet.

//www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/066389.html

Welcome to the Forum and the madness.

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Report this Post10-31-2013 10:25 AM Click Here to See the Profile for EpiKClick Here to Email EpiKSend a Private Message to EpiKEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Thanks a lot for all the information and the welcome. I guess I could wait it out because the most I probably could drive is a few hours away since I do not have a car and someone would have to take me out there to get it. Not too many people are fond of driving 6 hours in a day ( But I Am xD ). But regardless the ones you posted are not too bad. Just haven't decided if I wanted to actually make it a project or just buy it with most of the work done already.

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Without closer inspection of the underside and underneath the trunk carpet for rust damage, hard to say. The car has Gen 1 headlights that are up, maybe the motors need a rebuild. www.rodneydickman.com has the parts. The steering wheel has the typical "smush" feature ie the inside has melted. If the 2.8 engine has been maintaned, I know of some that have reached 300,000 miles. My 87 has 145,000 ( I bought new) and has never been apart.

Price "GUIDE" http://www.paulvargyas.com/Price%20Guide.htm

To get a Fiero to 11-12, you will spend some real $$$ to get it done right, or you will need to have some expertise to do it right. Getting another cradle for the replacement engine, so you can do all the work on engine build and still have a car to drive, would be my suggestion as this do-it-yourself project will take more time than you will expect.

Engine for 11-12 sec, a 3800SC may go it or an LS V8.. www.v8archie.com Some will suggest getting an engine from a junk car, and you will get what you will pay for...junk.
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Report this Post10-31-2013 10:33 AM Click Here to See the Profile for EpiKClick Here to Email EpiKSend a Private Message to EpiKEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Yeah I am going to be looking at it sometime this week and I know that it will cost some money to make the car pull those numbers. I don't plan on doing anything major until I have enough money to go about what I want to do and that won't be until at least next summer. It's all going to be done gradually.

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Welcome to the forum. As mentioned before check for rust. People think that because Fieros are fiberglass and plastic they don’t rust. WRONG! Areas like where we are that use road salt, Fieros are notorious for being rotted out. Look at the trunk sidewalls behind the carpet. If you see any holes you will need to pull the wheel well liners or get the car on a lift and inspect the frame rail up above the rear wheels and where the engine cradle connects to the frame. If you see rot in these areas, RUN AWAY. They can be fixed but you’ll be better off to keep searching. And I also agree to look for an 88 with the suspension and brake upgrades. Nothing wrong with 85-87 GT’s, just a personal preference. If you go after that one talk them down on the price. Personally i think it's a little high. If the headlights are stuck up, tell them it’s expensive to fix/replace because they are hard to find. It’s not but don’t tell them that. If you are going to do a engine swap, look for an 88 4cyl. You can find them very cheap. I just scored one for $500 with 21516 miles. It needs work but still, it was $500. LOL
Edit to add, use the search function for particulars, most questions have already been asked.

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that's priced way to high, id look elseware.
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I'd say that's about twice as expensive as it should be priced.
But if you look at that one try to look underneath the rear carpets in the trunk, if there is rust there, as there may be with 108k miles, get out.

But those other cars near your are probably worth a look at least.
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

that's priced way to high, id look elseware.


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It's a dealer so you are paying over the odds anyway.
No option (like power mirrors. windows). Does not appear to have cruise.
Headlight motors need repair/replace (up but light off indicates motor issue).
Don't like those wheels but that is personal choice.
Low mileage but it's still an old car with old car issues.

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To answer some of your questions,

The GT's are classified as "sports cars" for insurance purposes. SE's, Formula's, and the base model's are not so insurance is slightly less.

The stock engine lasts as long as any other engine based on how well it was maintained. On a roughly 25 year old car it is difficult to determine how well the engine was maintained without actually looking inside of it.

Low 12's/high 11's are not hard to get to with a swap. 3800 engines or a V-8 are your best bets.These are popular swaps and there is a lot of information on this forum to help you choose what is best for you.

Working on a mid-engine car is not any more difficult to work on than any other car. Some things are easy and some are harder as with any car.

If you are looking for something with the work already done and runs 12.3, I have one for sale: //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/066810.html
The selling price is a lot less than it would cost to do the same level of modifications on another Fiero.

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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

that's priced way to high, id look elseware.


Its a used car dealer; show up with a fistful of cash you might get it for a lot less.

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Originally posted by EpiK:

Yeah I am going to be looking at it sometime this week....

You stated the above two weeks ago --- not one week.

Have you an update?
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For that amount of money you could get a Formula. My first Fiero was an '84 and I really liked it. I sold it and 20 years later I bought another '84 and still have it. But, I bought a Formula a year ago and there's no comparison to the older Fieros. The 1988 Fieros are in a different class than the earlier models.
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Originally posted by Oreif:

To answer some of your questions,

The GT's are classified as "sports cars" for insurance purposes. SE's, Formula's, and the base model's are not so insurance is slightly less.

The stock engine lasts as long as any other engine based on how well it was maintained. On a roughly 25 year old car it is difficult to determine how well the engine was maintained without actually looking inside of it.

Low 12's/high 11's are not hard to get to with a swap. 3800 engines or a V-8 are your best bets.These are popular swaps and there is a lot of information on this forum to help you choose what is best for you.

Working on a mid-engine car is not any more difficult to work on than any other car. Some things are easy and some are harder as with any car.

If you are looking for something with the work already done and runs 12.3, I have one for sale: //www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/066810.html
The selling price is a lot less than it would cost to do the same level of modifications on another Fiero.



It depends on your state and carrier to.... nationwide in PA my 2 84's are considered sports cars to
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Originally posted by EpiK:There is not too many where I live

There are more in your area than you think. I'm constantly seeing Fiero's on trips between Akron & Sandusky. Obviously not as much this time of year, but I'm sure that you will see them more now that you are looking.

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Report this Post11-15-2013 10:43 AM Click Here to See the Profile for BoostdreamerClick Here to Email BoostdreamerSend a Private Message to BoostdreamerEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
I think it is just marked up a bit for negotiation. I bought a very similar car from a dealer who was originally wanting over $7K for it. I got it for $4200 after it sat on his lot for a year. Still a bit too much but since it was in town, I could check it out as thoroughly as I wanted to and there was no travel involved. In other words, I got to take my time and wasn't pressured by a now-or-never road trip situation. I figured it was worth a little more for convenience and keeping my money local.

Check under the carpet in the trunk for rust. Check the knock-outs in the floorboards from underneath to see if they are rusted out or missing. Check for dents in the cooling tubes that run down both sides of the car. I would say if it ran well, it would be worth $3K all day so you aren't that far apart. Tell him you think it is very nice but that you are concerned about the headlights and the tires. Open up with about a $2700 offer and see where it goes.

NEVER NEVER NEVER ask, "you can't do better than that?" or "is that the best you can do?" or "is that a firm price?"

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS present him with another dollar figure offer.

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Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
NEVER NEVER NEVER ask, "you can't do better than that?" or "is that the best you can do?" or "is that a firm price?"

ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS present him with another dollar figure offer.

My method :
Pull out cash. Start to count. Hrm, all I have is 'x' dollars. Yeah, lets do this for 'x' dollars!
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I recently purchased another 88GT in almost mint condition (one owner) TX car with only 98K miles for 2K....so KEEP LOOKING and hold out for an 88 GT!

It will save you a lot in upgrade costs!
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Originally posted by EpiK:

Yeah I am going to be looking at it sometime this week....

You mentioned that one month ago and as of now, haven't posted anything since ---anywhere on this forum ---- although having been asked if you had any updates.

Hopefully, you're OK.
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