Nope, no "christian victim" in this situation. And nope, the contract/policies are not "against" his free speech/free religion, rights. A corporation is not a democracy, you agree to work for a corporation, then you also agree to follow its policy's. Just like anyone, hes free to say, and believe what he wants, but hes also free to accept and deal with the consequences of what he says, no different than anyone else. He signed a contract to work for A&E, which makes him, their employee, and just like working for any company, they will have rules that you must follow, because you now represent that company. If you somehow break policy, or even go against the values of said company that you work for, and represent, then they fire you.
That's what I said, and you said nope then said the same thing.
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That's what I said, and you said nope then said the same thing.
Not quite, you stated that the policy's essentially violated his freedom of speech and religion, which is not true, hes free to believe and say what he wants, nobody will attempt to stop him, and nobody did.. Unfortunately for him, he now has to deal with the consequences of sharing his beliefs and practicing his free speech. The way you worded it, it made him sound like a victim, which he wasn't. Just because practicing his rights didn't work out too his favor doesn't mean his rights where suppressed.
if that's not what you meant, then i apologize.. But that's what it sounded like.
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Pitty the poor christian victims.. If it was so bad for them, they could have always quit, not renew their contract.
For a religious group who used to spread their "faith" with the blade of a sword for a thousand or so years, you all have sure turned into a whiny bunch.
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Pitty the poor christian victims.. If it was so bad for them, they could have always quit, not renew their contract.
For a religious group who used to spread their "faith" with the blade of a sword for a thousand or so years, you all have sure turned into a whiny bunch.
I heard this morning on the news they are doing just that, if the big guy goes, we all go.
Good for them, its not like they need the money.
It seems A&E just wanted to make fun of them from the very beginning. from the link
This is what happened. The whole idea of the show was to parade these nouveau riche Christian hillbillies around so that we could laugh at them. "Look at them," we were supposed to say. "Look how backward they are! Look what they believe! Can you believe they really live this way and believe this stuff? See how they don't fit in? HAHAHA"
When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course. They tried to get the Robertson's to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused. They tried to add fake cussin' to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered. At best, they wanted to make the Robertson's look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.
Originally posted by Jonesy: Pitty the poor christian victims.
I pitty the poor LGBT sinners. What Phil did not say about them, another of their sins, is that they do not treat others as they would wish to be treated.
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Pitty the poor christian victims.. If it was so bad for them, they could have always quit, not renew their contract.
For a religious group who used to spread their "faith" with the blade of a sword for a thousand or so years, you all have sure turned into a whiny bunch.
So you disagree with the article's supposition of A&E's motives and reaction? I don't care about the religious aspect, but the show seemed clearly aimed at mocking the "new money rednecks." Religion was only one part of it.
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Cracker Barrel said in a Facebook statement that they will continue to evaluate the situation surrounding the Robertsons as part of their regular evaluation of all products they sell.
"We operate within the ideals of fairness, mutual respect and equal treatment of all people," the statement read. "These ideals are the core of our corporate culture."
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They pull "Duck Dynasty" products. They continue to offer "Duck Commander" products. The former is owned by A&E. The latter by the Robertson family.
True, but they should have made the distinction. While one COULD say that they've removed A&E related products and kept the Robinson family products, their statement doesn't relate such. Their statement seems to give support to the banishment of Phil from the show.
If they object to carrying A&E products, they should have told A&E to pull their products and make it known to CB customers. Appearances are that Cracker Barrel is in support of the A&E position and that of GLAAD. At least that is the thought of the discussion on the CB facebook page.
Edit: One 'empolyee' states the the "Dynasty" products were immediately pulled and the "Commander" products were highly discounted.
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No one has infringed upon his right to speak his mind. He can do it again tomorrow if he wishes. Go for it, Phil.
BUT A&E has a right also....and it appears they exercised it.
True on both counts.
The cynical part of me thinks A&E played the "controversy" as a saavy PR stunt for ratings.
Looking at it, A&E placates one segment, while drawing in many new viewers who never knew of the show, nicely timed with the Duck marathons, a whole season already shot, A&E rakes in the profits with plenty of time to "sort things out".
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Well when it comes to xtians, muslums, jews, mormans, JW's.....he is YOUR god, not mine...go away, just go away with it....go find somebody who CARES about your god, and not in my life you wont....Duck o Dynastu just needs to shut up about the relegion.....I agree with Phil, a qwweeeer is getting his dick near my(MY) azz <never> just as soon as hell has a snowtorm.... go away, fags and penis gobblers, I am not interested in your penis in my poop shoot, and NO---I dont want to kiss, hug, or hold you. THATS what girls are for....but then I am lesbin trapped in a mans body.....
I agree with him...I like a vagina, a mans azz in the shower.....huuuu....NO
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The cynical part of me thinks A&E played the "controversy" as a saavy PR stunt for ratings.
Looking at it, A&E placates one segment, while drawing in many new viewers who never knew of the show, nicely timed with the Duck marathons, a whole season already shot, A&E rakes in the profits with plenty of time to "sort things out".
This crossed my mind and if they fessed up to it I wouldn't be shocked but I sort of doubt it. This was an interview that happened without the A&E publicist to intervene. Obviously Phil was able to speak his mind. There it is in print. No one stopped him. He can still say whatever he wants to say. Does A&E have a financial carrot to hold over him? Only if he lets them. That is his choice. He's staying quite so I would assume that carrot is pretty juicy. His fan base is unaffected so he's thinking about something. But as I said before, I'll bet Willy is in the middle trying to sort this out.
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Cracker Barrel Old Country Store 2 hours ago Dear Cracker Barrel Customer:
When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that’s just what we've done.
You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren't shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.
We listened.
Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.
And, we apologize for offending you.
We respect all individuals right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different.
We sincerely hope you will continue to be part of our Cracker Barrel family.
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True, but they should have made the distinction. While one COULD say that they've removed A&E related products and kept the Robinson family products, their statement doesn't relate such. Their statement seems to give support to the banishment of Phil from the show.
If they object to carrying A&E products, they should have told A&E to pull their products and make it known to CB customers. Appearances are that Cracker Barrel is in support of the A&E position and that of GLAAD. At least that is the thought of the discussion on the CB facebook page.
Edit: One 'empolyee' states the the "Dynasty" products were immediately pulled and the "Commander" products were highly discounted.
Their Facebook statement on 12/20 said they continued to offer Duck Commander products.
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Cracker Barrel’s mission is Pleasing People. We operate within the ideals of fairness, mutual respect and equal treatment of all people. These ideals are the core of our corporate culture.
We continue to offer Duck Commander products in our stores.
We removed selected products which we were concerned might offend some of our guests while we evaluate the situation.
We continually evaluate the products we offer and will continue to do so.
Then as of today:
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Dear Cracker Barrel Customer:
When we made the decision to remove and evaluate certain Duck Dynasty items, we offended many of our loyal customers. Our intent was to avoid offending, but that’s just what we've done.
You told us we made a mistake. And, you weren't shy about it. You wrote, you called and you took to social media to express your thoughts and feelings. You flat out told us we were wrong.
We listened.
Today, we are putting all our Duck Dynasty products back in our stores.
And, we apologize for offending you.
We respect all individuals right to express their beliefs. We certainly did not mean to have anyone think different.
We sincerely hope you will continue to be part of our Cracker Barrel family.
I bet if GQ interviews employees of A&E and asks the same questions to them the answers might be strikingly as "offensive" and "racist" as Phils... Last time i checked unless its in a court of law and being held against you, its under freedom of speech..But you Americans have your own ways of twisting and dealing with the law unlike any others.. I say no wrong done on Phils part..
Originally posted by thismanyfieros: Last time i checked unless its in a court of law and being held against you, its under freedom of speech.
We're past that now, I'd say.
I think everyone agrees his "right to free speech" has been in no way impinged. The controversy lies in what Robertson said and A&E's reaction to it....not in Robertson's 1st Amendment rights.
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I have not been hunting in many years, and never went duck hunting at all. But, I just went to the Duck Commander website and placed an order. I have been looking for a decent stainless thermos to keep my coffee hot and figured that if I was going to buy one anyway, I might as well buy one from them. Had it not been for this make believe "controversy", I would have bought something from Wal-Mart instead. I wonder how many other people are also spending some additional $$$ with them now.
A&E likes the money, not the Robertson family, or as Doni might say, the "Cracker Barrel demographic."
Mindreading again? An amazing talent....however, HERE'S what I was referring to.
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For the second year in a row, Cracker Barrel Old Country Store has taken top honors in the family dining segment of the Consumer Picks survey conducted for Nation’s Restaurant News magazine......Cracker Barrel received the highest scores among family dining concepts from five of six demographic groups, including men, women, boomers, Gen X and millennials; and the highest scores from four of five household income groups.
All this talk of free speech...I really feel like that's a distraction from an underlying issue. I did my best to explain so here, for anyone who would care for a different angle:
All this talk of free speech...I really feel like that's a distraction from an underlying issue. I did my best to explain so here, for anyone who would care for a different angle:
Well said (or linked, LOL) ...MUCH more elequantly than I could have said the same thing....but same general idea. Be as queer as ya want, but not on MY wallet, MY time, or MY buthole...those are MINE, I dont accept or finance queerness in them, and THAT is my call---and nobody elses.
I DO respect your freedom and right to be gay.....now you return the favor and respect MY right not to embrace or finance it.
We at A+E Networks expressed our disappointment with Robertson's statements in the article and reiterate that they are not views we hold...........but we ARE a publicly held company and, well, the fact is our shareholders and advertisers were reaming us new anuses so we said "screw this" and reversed our position.
I added that last part......Quack, quack....
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Great place. People were showing up by the bus-load. We took the public transportation to "Hell and back." BTW, they do sell cold drinks there. Also, I saw many fine folks there, not just the "type" most assume.
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The duck man was representing A&E by giving an interview to a nationally published magazine, broke company policy, and got fired for it. End of story.
It may be that simple, but in a "reality" show when giving an interview, are you presenting your "character" or "yourself?" Are they the same thing? It would also depend on the wording of the company policy he broke. Did his words reflect on himself, or on A&E? I could see a wrongful termination suit being required to determine that from a legal perspective.
Do you think there would be any backlash if they had asked if he were gay, he said "yes" and was fired for that?
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