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End of lead bullets by Wichita
Started on: 12-18-2013 05:22 PM
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Last post by: SSG Larry on 12-20-2013 10:24 AM
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Originally posted by User00013170:
BFD. Its incremental.

The NRA disagrees with your conspiracy theory. And that's saying something.

The OP, while having good intentions, is unsupported by evidence. Multiple lines of hard evidence provide insurmountable contradiction. Of course there's always room for a conspiracy with some people.

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Originally posted by FlyinFieros:

The NRA disagrees with your conspiracy theory. And that's saying something.

The OP, while having good intentions, is unsupported by evidence. Multiple lines of hard evidence provide insurmountable contradiction. Of course there's always room for a conspiracy with some people.



I happen to think on my own, and am not tied to any organization and the info they put out.
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I happen to think on my own, and am not tied to any organization and the info they put out.

“You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.”
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I am curious if they are outlawing lead fishing weights, since they are in the water and can end up at the bottom of a stream.

I firmly believe the goal is not to outlaw guns, but to further outlaw ammunition. Just driving up the cost and making it more rare. Reloading was a lost around in the 80's and 90s when ammo was so cheap. Now, it has regained popularity.

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Originally posted by FlyinFieros:

Are you seriously questioning whether or not lead is toxic?


Do you really think anyone on this forum is going around licking old walls or bullets?
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:
Do you really think anyone on this forum is going around licking old walls or bullets?

Somedays, yes.
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Originally posted by CoryFiero:

Stock up on scrap lead (tire weights, fishing weights,). I have a couple of five gallon buckets full.






I have one of those same heaters....lol

I stockpiled boxes of ammo long ago. I prob have plenty to last till I die.

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Do you really think anyone on this forum is going around licking old walls or bullets?


I suspect FF has been...
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I have one of those same heaters....lol

I stockpiled boxes of ammo long ago. I prob have plenty to last till I die.


So do i ( the heater )...

I didn't stock pile as much as i should have ( kicking myself over it ) but assuming I don't have to defend my neighborhood for weeks on end i'm good, between what i have and reloading and casting ability worst case. Except 22LR.. never would have dreamed it would vanish before everything else..
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Did the import of lead smelted in other countries get banned?
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Did the import of lead smelted in other countries get banned?


Being 'dangerous' it is restricted, and you know prices will skyrocket since there will be no local alternative source.
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There is no safe level of exposure to lead; it's considered toxic at the smallest detectable levels in air, water, soil and the food chain.
 
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There is no level of lead exposure to children known to be without deleterious effects (CDC, 2012). Exposure in childhood to even slightly elevated levels of lead produce lasting neurological deficits in intelligence and behavior.

Lead is an extremely toxic element that we’ve sensibly removed from water pipes, gasoline, paint and other sources dangerous to people. Yet toxic lead is still entering the food chain through widespread use of lead hunting ammunition and fishing tackle, poisoning wildlife and even threatening human health . . .

That’s why the Center for Biological Diversity’s Get the Lead Out campaign in March 2012 organized more than 150 groups to petition the Environmental Protection Agency to take toxic lead out of hunting ammunition. Our coalition, calling for a transition to nontoxic bullets and shot, included groups from 38 states representing conservationists, birders, hunters, scientists, veterinarians, American Indians and public employees. In April 2012, the EPA denied our request — but in June, the Center and six other groups filed suit against the agency for refusing to address the problem of toxic lead in hunting ammunition that frequently poisons and kills our wildlife.

Animals that scavenge on carcasses shot and contaminated with lead bullet fragments, or wading birds that ingest spent lead-shot pellets or lost fishing weights mistaking them for food or grit, can die a painful death from lead poisoning, while others suffer for years from its debilitating effects. In the United States, an estimated 3,000 tons of lead are shot into the environment by hunting every year, another 80,000 tons are released at shooting ranges, and 4,000 tons are lost in ponds and streams as fishing lures and sinkers — while as many as 20 million birds and other animals die each year from subsequent lead poisoning.

The iconic California condor . . .

Lead ammunition also poses health risks to people. Lead bullets explode and fragment into minute particles in shot game and can spread throughout meat that humans eat. Studies using radiographs show that numerous, imperceptible, dust-sized particles of lead can infect meat up to a foot and a half away from the bullet wound, causing a greater health risk to humans who consume lead-shot game than previously thought. State health agencies have had to recall venison donated to feed the hungry because of lead contamination from lead bullet fragments. Nearly 10 million hunters, their families and low-income beneficiaries of venison donations may be at risk . . .


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Originally posted by User00013170:


To be fair It might be on a real localized scale in some situations, but i agree with what the true intent is, eradication of the 2nd amendment right without actually repealing it. ( sorry for repeating myself .. )

Heard this morning that its something like 80 bucks in fees/taxes to buy ammo in newyork now.. yikes.



No I got 7m-08 for $24 last week.


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