I dont see how the denial of the debt limmit can harm the US. Imagine forcing the Government to live within its means? WOW that would hurt. I think it would be good for another reduction of the US credit rating. Force the Gov to think about barrowing money we cant pay back to pay for things we dont realy need. Like obam is doing to us now with the shut down,,..make it hurt. It SHOULD hurt to barrow money.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
This site is run by Dale Robertson who bills himself as the founder of the Tea Party. He is NOT the founder and his website is NOT the "official" Tea Party.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Again, all of that was created AFTER the fact... the Tea Party is a set of ideals. You don't carry a card, you don't register to be one of them.
I don't even know why I'm explaining this to you, you're Canadian.
Yes, cause Canadians don't have ideals?
I think the issue is you can't explain it at all.
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olejoedad Member
Posts: 19906 From: Back home again in Indiana Registered: May 2004
But seriously, Canadians have a whole lot vested in a prosperous America. USA is our biggest trading partner and ally.
Our Prime Minister is an economist. Not very flashy but solid and blessed with common sense.
Obama is neither. You'd best thank your lucky stars you have the Republicans in Congress. It may be really inconvenient, but America needs to get its financial house in order or it will slip down the ladder of world influence by being a shell of its former self.
Ideals, fiscal conservatism, adherence to the Founding Principles.
Not hard to understand.
Dog in the fight? I don't know you tell me, is it a problem to form an opinion about a topic discussed on an internet based message board?
My comments were in response to this statement
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don't think you guys understand what the Tea Party is. It's not a group, it's not an organization... it's a set of ideals that the government should have a balanced budged and less regulation.
The thought that you can label a set of ideals something is kind of silly IMO.
People that want to see children raised in a safe and secure environment are now called the Crib Party, if you feel that children should be raised that way you are already a member of this non-organization.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: But seriously, Canadians have a whole lot vested in a prosperous America. USA is our biggest trading partner and ally.
On this we can agree
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Originally posted by Arns85GT:
Obama is neither. You'd best thank your lucky stars you have the Republicans in Congress. It may be really inconvenient, but America needs to get its financial house in order or it will slip down the ladder of world influence by being a shell of its former self.
Arn
The last Republican Administration were a major cause of the economic crash that they are trying to climb out of. America's "world influence" is a major part of what have their country in the mess financially that it is as well.
The current Republican Congress by way of Tea Party extortion have shut down their Government over a Healthcare bill that was passed and vetted by their Supreme Court. They tried to stop the healthcare bill 40 times in congress, it never worked. the opposing candidate in the last election based his campaign on repealing it....HE lost. Both sides agreed major changes had to be made to their Healthcare system....this current solution is actually was similar to one put forward by a right wing think tank.
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Originally posted by Arns85GT: Our Prime Minister is an economist. Not very flashy but solid and blessed with common sense.
I don't know how much common sense he has however like most leaders he has done good and bad IMO.
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olejoedad Member
Posts: 19906 From: Back home again in Indiana Registered: May 2004
Originally posted by Arns85GT: You'd best thank your lucky stars you have the Republicans in Congress. It may be really inconvenient, but America needs to get its financial house in order or it will slip down the ladder of world influence by being a shell of its former self.
Arn
We agree.
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olejoedad Member
Posts: 19906 From: Back home again in Indiana Registered: May 2004
It's all good. I'd be very frightened if everyone was in agreement.
Well, I agree with you at least!
The problem is that the tea partiers are from districts that are very well gerrymandered and therefore represent extremes...these tea partiers do NOT represent America's views as a whole.
Yes, a lot of folks disapprove of the current spending habits, but most folks do NOT approve of shutting the government down in the current fashion. In a normal district, these politicians would have to rethink their ways.
Don't forget that both parties are in on this. The Republicans have put forward several bills to prevent the shut down and the Dems have blocked the effort apparently perferring the old "swim in the deep end" approach.
It is plainly evident to people that the US is living on credit and spending like a drunken sailor and seems like the Dems don't give a flying you know what.
What happened to reasonalbe representatives running the affairs of the nation in a responsible way?
Arn
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spark1 Member
Posts: 11159 From: Benton County, OR Registered: Dec 2002
Barry should continue to ignore the people of the United States until they finally run him out of the country.
Let's hope it occurs this week.
President zero = worst president ever.
Y'see, Barack Obama was reelected President (By a larger margin than his predecessor) because he DIDN'T ignore the people of the USA. Despite a very vocal minority, he's fairly popular, as politicians go. Your guys need to try harder, and listen to more people, if they want to be elected. And coming up with better ideas, instead of just saying "NO NO NO" all the time would probably help.
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2.5 Member
Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
I dont know, we've been over how the promise of giving people stuff will get you elected. We've also been over how much of what he said he would and wouldnt do have been lies. But thats nothing new with politicians.
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
Originally posted by NEPTUNE: Despite a very vocal minority, he's fairly popular, as politicians go.
Where do you get your info from, MSNBC? At this time in his presidency he is sub par, only 3% above Bush, Too funny. Well below the likes of Clinton, Reagan and others.
Where do you get your info from, MSNBC? At this time in his presidency he is sub par, only 3% above Bush, Too funny. Well below the likes of Clinton, Reagan and others.
You're missing the point. No, not neptune's point, but the larger point. Obama won. There are a lot of people out there that think like neptune. Exit polling said Romney beat Obama on virtually every issue - except one. "Who do you think cares more for the American people?" Obama beat Romney 5:1 on that. Most Americans are conservative. Most of them think there should be fiscal responsibility, personal accountability, and rule of law. But as long as they think the Republican is the "bad guy" they'll vote for anyone else.
It's not about the issues. It's about who you like and who you think likes you. If it were about the issues, the Democrats would never win another election.
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Old Lar Member
Posts: 13798 From: Palm Bay, Florida Registered: Nov 1999
"The last Republican Administration were a major cause of the economic crash that they are trying to climb out of. America's "world influence" is a major part of what have their country in the mess financially that it is as well"..
The last republican administration had a democratic controlled the House and Senate. Under their control, they passed many bad economic policies which were blamed on Bush. Using your thesis at fault finding, it is the party in the oval office is the problem, and the Obama administration is in the oval office and is the problem!
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Oct 12th, 2013
bonzo Member
Posts: 1350 From: Jacksonville, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2003
All the Jibber Jabber above. The Tea Party will be the fall of the Republican Party. Until the GOP can shake off the Tea Party, They will lose ground with the U.S.
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002
All the Jibber Jabber above. The Tea Party will be the fall of the Republican Party. Until the GOP can shake off the Tea Party, They will lose ground with the U.S.
I think I heard that talk just before the 2010 election.
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Oct 13th, 2013
bonzo Member
Posts: 1350 From: Jacksonville, FL, USA Registered: Jul 2003
I think I heard that talk just before the 2010 election.
Think what you may. The Tea party has pulled the Reps into this. When it is over. The Government will be back up and running. Debt limit will be raised. ACA will be implemented. Reps will lose more ground.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
All the Jibber Jabber above. The Tea Party will be the fall of the Republican Party. Until the GOP can shake off the Tea Party, They will lose ground with the U.S.
You're right. But it will be the TEA Party shaking off the GOP. The GOP as it has been is already dead.
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partfiero Member
Posts: 6923 From: Tucson, Arizona Registered: Jan 2002