"Are we raising a generation of deluded narcissists?"

Nope... unless you have a mouse in your pocket. I am not raising anyone. I did not want to be a parent, took responsible action to not be a parent, and now I am more than a little annoyed when people in my age group become so all-inclusive when speaking about the behavior of THEIR children and their kids futures.

Looking around, if I had to comment on the situation, I would say it is not deluded narcissists being raised, more like deluded narcissists doing the raising.. so how do the kids know to be any different?????

The best part is when someone wants to try to make me to feel guilty about the next generation inhereting "our" debts. Sorry, I do not look forward to the future as being some kind of financial wasteland for my kids because.. oops! I forgot to have children!

Now I'm gonna go take that money I "should" be spending on my children, if I had any, and go out and buy things I need to survive in a responsible fashion. You see, I would have raised some pretty responsible kids, I just didn't want to have to watch them growing up in a world full of idiots raised by most everyone else.

Own page 2 of this mess. w00t

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lol
just reading the above BS should remind y'all that you too were the "generation of deluded narcissists" last time around.

of course they "know it all" - WE TAUGHT THEM. or at least should have.

I agree the online persona is a new thing. but, it certianly is not a bad thing.
of course, as always, a few go to far. but, if that is something new for you - I think the issue is you, not them.

quote Originally posted by dsnover: Most criminals have rather high 'self esteem'. No, high 'self-esteem' is NOT a good thing. Self-respect, however, is, but we aren't reinforcing that anymore.

I really love your posts.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: lol just reading the above BS should remind y'all that you too were the "generation of deluded narcissists" last time around. of course they "know it all" - WE TAUGHT THEM. or at least should have. I agree the online persona is a new thing. but, it certianly is not a bad thing. of course, as always, a few go to far. but, if that is something new for you - I think the issue is you, not them.

There are always narcissists, it's the sheer number that changes. There is no way you can believe that the previous generation was comprised of as many "gimme gimme" children as the present generation. You're right, parents have a lot to do with it. But unfortunately it's perpetuated by the government, the media, and celebrity, all elements that have a large influence on our youth. I seriously doubt most parents who tried to apply the touchy feely Oprah Winfry methods of child rearing realized they were raising children who would always be childlike.
That's not to say there aren't parents who won't let go of their kids and throw a whole different dynamic into the mix. Did you know that some human resources personnel are seeking counseling because they not only have to deal with employees, but the employee's parents? Yep, that's right. There was an article in Fast Company a couple of years back about it. One HR person they interviewed said they had been confronted by a parent because their son had been passed over for a promotion. Can you possibly imagine that happening 40, 30, 20, even 10 years ago?
Yeah, the present generation is far worse than any that has preceded it, and the next generation will probably be even worse.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: lol just reading the above BS should remind y'all that you too were the "generation of deluded narcissists" last time around. of course they "know it all" - WE TAUGHT THEM. or at least should have. I agree the online persona is a new thing. but, it certianly is not a bad thing. of course, as always, a few go to far. but, if that is something new for you - I think the issue is you, not them.

I would be offended if I didn't already know you meant all the previous posts as being "the above BS" and not just my post which happened to be right above yours. I KNOW my posts are BS, of course.

Yes.

quote Originally posted by Taijiguy: There are always narcissists, it's the sheer number that changes. There is no way you can believe that the previous generation was comprised of as many "gimme gimme" children as the present generation. .

Proably has alot to do with the acceptance of it, and glorification/promotion of it by media and entertainment as well. All these rediculous shows like Jersey Shore or the Bachelor. We're a long way from Mayberry.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: Nope... unless you have a mouse in your pocket. I am not raising anyone. I did not want to be a parent, took responsible action to not be a parent, and now I am more than a little annoyed when people in my age group become so all-inclusive when speaking about the behavior of THEIR children and their kids futures.

Everyone in society has an impact on the raising of children due to collateral influence, like it or not.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: Everyone in society has an impact on the raising of children due to collateral influence, like it or not.

OH OH OH IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD!

You said it, not me.

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: OH OH OH IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD! You said it, not me.

No, that is not what i said. But nice try.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: No, that is not what i said. But nice try.

Well, it must have been written in your founders papers, then, if you did not directly come out and say it we still know your intent.

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quote Originally posted by tbone42: Well, it must have been written in your founders papers, then, if you did not directly come out and say it we still know your intent.

No, it was quite clear what was being said. Its not my fault you cant read and comprehend simple sentences and that you need extra help ( serious help apparently ).

quote Originally posted by tbone42: OH OH OH IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD! You said it, not me.

Oh I agree with it, in the sense that where someone is raised and those around them do influence the younger generation in how they view world around them and how they perceive and think this work.

We all have an influence in everyone we come in contact with, good, bad, or indifferent.

So who ever said they are not having kids is full of crap if they think they don’t have any influence on the younger generation. We all do and especially anyone in the media. Kids are more influenced by those who get media time than anyone else and if they are not right as I like to call it they will be even more influenced, even by something as stupid as face book, twitter or some other news source.

So we are all responsible.

Steve
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quote Originally posted by tbone42: I would be offended if I didn't already know you meant all the previous posts as being "the above BS" and not just my post which happened to be right above yours. I KNOW my posts are BS, of course.

...was a one page thread when I started typing.....

as far as I can tell - this topic is as old as reproduction....damn kids today....

do all this work to make things nice for our children...and then cry about it being to nice.....

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Oh I agree with it, in the sense that where someone is raised and those around them do influence the younger generation in how they view world around them and how they perceive and think this work. We all have an influence in everyone we come in contact with, good, bad, or indifferent. So who ever said they are not having kids is full of crap if they think they don’t have any influence on the younger generation. We all do and especially anyone in the media. Kids are more influenced by those who get media time than anyone else and if they are not right as I like to call it they will be even more influenced, even by something as stupid as face book, twitter or some other news source. So we are all responsible. Steve

shhhhh stop making sense, he isn't going to understand it in the least.

quote Originally posted by dsnover: Most criminals have rather high 'self esteem'. No, high 'self-esteem' is NOT a good thing.

I can't believe you're serious.

First of all, where do you get your figures from? Show me the data that demonstrates "most criminals have rather high self-esteem". IMO, that's utter nonsense.

Secondly, you're trying to tell me that because an undesirable person might have high self-esteem, that self-esteem itself is a bad thing. Wow, I really can't believe I'm reading this.

Perhaps you have a different definition of what "self-esteem" is than I do. Self-esteem is a positive attribute. Having self-esteem, as well as self-confidence (which I believe go hand-in-hand) allows people to take on difficult challenges without "giving up" before they even start.

quote Originally posted by dsnover: Self-respect, however, is (a good thing), but we aren't reinforcing that anymore.

Who's this "we" you're referring to? Please don't include me in that bunch.

Perhaps you missed my second post in this thread.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Self-esteem and self-confidence is a good thing, for young or old. But yes, these qualities need to be tempered with a healthy dose of humility.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Perhaps you have a different definition of what "self-esteem" is than I do. Self-esteem is a positive attribute. Having self-esteem, as well as self-confidence (which I believe go hand-in-hand) allows people to take on difficult challenges without "giving up" before they even start.

Having enough is not a bad thing, having too much, or having mis placed amounts i think can be a bad thing. You were right when you said tempered with humility.

"Self-esteem is a term used in psychology to reflect a person's overall emotional evaluation of his or her own worth. It is a judgement of oneself as well as an attitude toward the self. Self-esteem encompasses beliefs (for example, "I am competent", "I am worthy") and emotions such as triumph, despair, pride and shame.[1] Smith and Mackie define it by saying "The self-concept is what we think about the self; self-esteem, is the positive or negative evaluations of the self, as in how we feel about it."[2] Self-esteem is also known as the evaluative dimension of the self that includes feelings of worthiness, prides and discouragement.[3] One's self esteem is also closely associated with self-consciousness"
-wiki

"Are self-respect and self-esteem the same? An individual with a healthy self-respect “likes” themselves -- even when encountering the inevitable failures in life. To esteem something is to “hold in high regard.” Self-respect and self-esteem are quite different. Self-esteem balances precariously upon a comparison with someone who’s always “a little better.” When we esteem someone or something, we face serious trouble if we do not measure up to those standards. Our esteem may ebb and flow, whereas a healthy self-respect (liking ourselves) is always grounded in what we are (and are not) -- not in what we can or cannot accomplish. I love to ice skate. I love to watch professional skaters. For years I took private lessons and trained on a personal skating rink. Yet I am not an exceptional skater. Realizing that I am not “Olympic material” doesn’t affect my self-respect.
Ex.
Rob’s childhood consisted of multiple divorces and eventually leaving home at 15. He finally earned a high school diploma at 21. During his first years of marriage he faced frequent unemployment and serious credit issues. Rob’s self-worth plummeted. Then a door of opportunity opened. Now Rob is a top salesperson in his firm, the recipient of awards and bonuses. In climbing the ladder of success, Rob admires (respects) the fact that he succeeded without a college degree. Rob expects esteem from everyone around him. If he doesn’t receive approval, he responds with disrespect. The self-respect that Rob learned to give himself is based on self-centeredness."

http://www.allaboutlifechal...self-respect-faq.htm

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: Having enough is not a bad thing, having too much, or having mis placed amounts i think can be a bad thing.

Well, what doesn't that apply to?

Taken to excess, pretty much anything can be damaging.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Well, what doesn't that apply to? Taken to excess, pretty much anything can be damaging.

I agree.

quote Originally posted by User00013170: shhhhh stop making sense, he isn't going to understand it in the least.

Hey every once in a while I have them and I’ll be dammed if I ain’t going to post them, even if it is out of character for me.

Steve

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I work with a lot of kids and just had a discussion earlier today with a fellow youth teacher about the degraded state of today's youth. When I grew up (which wasn't that long ago), I knew if I did something wrong, I would get punished, not threatened with punishment. I've never had a timeout in my life, I got spanked or slapped, I never got the 3 or 5 or 10 count, I was told once, and if I didn't listen, I paid the price. Now, the government decided that parents shouldn't discipline their kids the way they see fit, but how the government sees fit. I know there are programs that actually help needy people, they aren't all corrupt, but I think most are. I have worked for everything I own, I have gone out and found opportunities, they don't usually land in your lap. I have never accepted government hand-outs even when I "qualify" for a program, because to me it just seems wrong if I can get by without it. Entitlement is the driving force behind half of this counry's debt. The nation (as a broad generalization, not every individual), has decided that we are entitled to money, special treatment, or whatever because government over the years has made it so easy with all the corruption in these systems and programs. I think children learn to join the "me-me-me" crowd early on by watching parents, family members, close family friends "get what they can" any way possible. Government has stepped in and diluted the value of hard work with their NO, NO, you are a "special" case so you "deserve" or have the "right" to some (taxpayer) money for "essential" costs, like cigarrettes, booze, plasma TV's, cable, etc. I have a chip on my shoulder due to observing many people taking advantage of whatever program they can, just because they can. When government steps in to "help" you with decisions, we are in trouble.
Oh yeah, to answer the topic's question, Some of us are, some of us aren't, but the government certainly is trying to train them well in this field of deluded narcissim.
Narcissism is a personality trait characterized by egotism, vanity, conceit, or simple selfishness.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: as far as I can tell - this topic is as old as reproduction....damn kids today....

Yup.

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Yup.

I suppose that doesnt mean its not true to an extent though. Baby steps.