So my professor has given us an essay and it just has to be "the dark side of technology" like cyber bulling and things like that.
Well I was picked to do 4Chan because we had and interesting debate about it in class and I was one of the lead decussies so the class wanted to know more so they basically chose me to write the paper. Which I didn't mind because I knew some stuff but I am defiantly not a lurker and for sure not a poster or any participation what so ever. But holy hell this is hard. I mean Im on a page and a half and I am running into so many writer blocks because there is SO MUCH INFO i mean a kardashian azz load of info.

I wish I could just stand in front of class and explain things. MUCH easier then putting everything neatly onto a sheet of paper, I only say this because the topics are so intertwined and need to be explained in fairly great detail to understand it.
Sorry I just needed to brain dump and vent alittle.

[grammar nazi]
i'm seeing this more and more on the internet, and it irks me.
"defiantly"
definitely.
thank you for your attention. carry on.
[/grammar nazi]

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When faced with a lot of information to digest and analyze, create broad categories, organize it then perform your analysis on the categories. You are looking at a forest. Don't get stuck analyzing individual trees.

quote Originally posted by lurker: [grammar nazi] i'm seeing this more and more on the internet, and it irks me. "defiantly" definitely. thank you for your attention. carry on. [/grammar nazi]

Apologies. I know how to spell it I just have been writing for hours and my brain is over clocking, reading, writing, deleting, rewriting.

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: my brain is over clocking, reading, writing, deleting, rewriting.

stare at your avatar for a couple of minutes, let your mind wander. that ought to fix it!

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: So my professor has given us an essay and it just has to be "the dark side of technology" like cyber bulling and things like that. Well I was picked to do 4Chan because we had and interesting debate about it in class and I was one of the lead decussies so the class wanted to know more so they basically chose me to write the paper. Which I didn't mind because I knew some stuff but I am defiantly not a lurker and for sure not a poster or any participation what so ever. But holy hell this is hard. I mean Im on a page and a half and I am running into so many writer blocks because there is SO MUCH INFO i mean a kardashian azz load of info. I wish I could just stand in front of class and explain things. MUCH easier then putting everything neatly onto a sheet of paper, I only say this because the topics are so intertwined and need to be explained in fairly great detail to understand it. Sorry I just needed to brain dump and vent alittle.

I suggest that you master basic English spelling and syntax first. If I was in your class, I would not want your semi-literate essay to affect my grade.

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: Apologies. I know how to spell it I just have been writing for hours and my brain is over clocking, reading, writing, deleting, rewriting.

It's ok. I love your smile.

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: So my professor has given us an essay and it just has to be "the dark side of technology" like cyber bulling and things like that. Well I was picked to do 4Chan because we had and interesting debate about it in class and I was one of the lead decussies so the class wanted to know more so they basically chose me to write the paper. Which I didn't mind because I knew some stuff but I am defiantly not a lurker and for sure not a poster or any participation what so ever. But holy hell this is hard. I mean Im on a page and a half and I am running into so many writer blocks because there is SO MUCH INFO i mean a kardashian azz load of info. I wish I could just stand in front of class and explain things. MUCH easier then putting everything neatly onto a sheet of paper, I only say this because the topics are so intertwined and need to be explained in fairly great detail to understand it. Sorry I just needed to brain dump and vent alittle.

Go on 4chan and ask for help on ""the dark side of technology" like cyber bulling and things like that"...
Copy the responses if you dare.
ASSIGNMENT DONE!

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explain it to us here, maybe that will help you organize your thoughts.
what is 4chan?
who uses 4chan?(age, gender, race, politics, religion, sexual preference...)
what are the risks?(identity theft, bullying, stalking, child endangerment?)
does 4chan have any countermeasures available?
are they adequate?

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Do it on 9gag, they are legion.

quote Originally posted by randye: Go on 4chan and ask for help

>Asking for help on 4chan



What do you need to know exactly? There are a few people on here that frequent 4chan.

4chan isn't simply dark, there are MANY upsides to the community, and anonymity on the internet, the most obvious of which is to be able to express one's true feelings without ridicule or repercussions.

Here's a nice outsider's guide, all about 4chan, well worth the watch:



4chan's founder moot, talking about what 4chan is:

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The following post is IMO only
4Chan is commonly misconstrued into the "******* of the internet" (I forget source). It is mainly /b/ and the /b/tards doing most of the attacks and CP (child **** ). While most CP is controlled, it is not gone. just today I was scrolling through to find some funny ,not awful, things on /b/ and saw some CP.... just kept scrolling, I didnt post pedobear because I dont post. But there are plenty of ways to get around their BAN from posting such material. Although I am glad the mods are working with the FBI and busting these sick people.

I think 4Chan is used by every age group over the age of 13 and under 65. I don't believe there is a single group that posts certain materials I.E. old guys posting pics of little kids and little kids posting terrible sayings like you have AIDs or your a fag and things like that. I just read a story about this 13y/o posting pics of girls he got naked pics from and the FBI knocked down his front door and took all his gadgets away and there were ALOT of pics of CP.
While I think the attacks on big companies is done by more experienced and older people.

I don't post because I feel anything I click on could be a hidden download and I am extra cautious on the inter webs because I want no part of malicious software. So for someone who is naive they might just end up with a key logger or something to take all the money they worked hard to get.

and in pretty much every thread I see there is some sort of bullying going on I.E. " you have AIDS" or "pools closed due to your AIDS". For people who don't know the history of that joke I think it could be very hurtful to them.

4Chans moderators have admitted to having 20ish "janitors" who go around and watch for cross posting and things like that then they delete it and report it to the paid moderators who then report any Illegal activity to the FBI or local law enforcement.
I think what they are doing is great, the only problem is 4Chan gets 200 million hits a month and the 20ish janitors is just not enough to police all of it.

This actually helped a lot.
I brain dumped on paper but the thoughts are not organized in any manner and I thought it would help but sadly it didnt, whereas this did.
+ to you lurker.

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: For the sake of a good grade I am going with its bad. (just trying to give her what she wants, and what she wants is stories, not so much factual information)

Most professors are like this, and yes, the best way to pass is to tell them what they want to hear, whatever the subject is. But you should never accept their opinion as correct, because frequently it isn't.

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wait, you're doing this on paper? how archaic!
there's this new invention called a word processor. cut, paste, wysiwyg, all that.

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: This may be of interest to you:

lol

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quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: But you should never accept their opinion as correct, because frequently it isn't.

Oh beleive me I am not accepting it as correct. She is very close minded, non expressive (unless its what she wants to hear) and most of the time we butt heads, in class, infront of everyone. Good thing for me is I have the support the class because I can make em laugh and they want to hear what I have to say.

quote Originally posted by RWDPLZ: Here's a nice outsider's guide, all about 4chan, well worth the watch:

"Cyber terrorist group of religious bigots", not really. It's mostly a bunch of immature *#&$^es. There are however a few groups who do have an online presence WITHIN that website's user base. "Anonymous" would be one of them, but they also exist in many other places. None of them can or should be equated.

Get on onionchan...i double dog dare you

quote Originally posted by lurker: [grammar nazi] i'm seeing this more and more on the internet, and it irks me. "defiantly" definitely. thank you for your attention. carry on. [/grammar nazi]

[grammar nazi]
One would think such a Nazi would understand the use of capitalisation.
[/grammar nazi]

quote Originally posted by Khw: [grammar nazi] One would think such a Nazi would understand the use of capitalization. [/grammar nazi]

oh, i do! i know the rules, i just choose to ignore them.
at least i know which rules i'm breaking.
there's a reason i do this, but it's a convoluted story, so i'll spare you the details.

ok, ok, i see you (in my mind's eye) there, puzzling over what my excuse could possibly be. i offer a couple of examples.
i should capitalize the word "I". but why? is it unclear in lower case? could it be mistaken for another word?
i should also capitalize the first word of a sentence. but why? the first word of a sentence is either the first word of a passage, or preceded immediately by a period, question mark or exclamation point and 1 (or sometimes more) spaces. how is it unclear to leave it lower case?

however, i'm all in favor of capitalizing proper nouns, and do so often. it's all about clarity of meaning. i don't think capitalization really contributes much to clear communication. or, i'm lazy. your choice.

apostrophes are a completely different situation. there are contractions which are spelled exactly like other words, and confusion could ensue: won't/wont and can't/cant, for example. sometimes, the apostrophe is important.

this all came about when i was a computer programmer. computers are notoriously case-sensitive, and blah blah blah.

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quote Originally posted by lurker: oh, i do! i know the rules, i just choose to ignore them. at least i know which rules i'm breaking. there's a reason i do this, but it's a convoluted story, so i'll spare you the details.

LOL, I was playing around anywho. I'm the last person who would want to go all Grammar Nazi on someone. I mix up then and than all the time. Over time I've gotten better with there and their. Although I do like to mess with Boon ever now and then becouse he spells it becouse... not because.

Besides, I've known several people with arthritis in their fingers so they skip some things to make typing less painful, or some other realistic reason like that.

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ha! when i feel like messing with someone, i'll quote them, fix the typos and see if they notice. i'm messing with their minds and they don't even know it!
fun, fun, fun!

Not to add to the complexity, but 4chan/b/ was where "Annonymous" was spawned.

I have an article from a past "Wired" magazine I could scan for you if you want to explore that part of it. You could get an entire essay out of that alone. Talk about taking "cyber bullying" to the next level.... (but in a generally good way)

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: I wish I could just stand in front of class and explain things. MUCH easier then putting everything neatly onto a sheet of paper, I only say this because the topics are so intertwined and need to be explained in fairly great detail to understand it.

In case you missed it, that's the whole point of the exercise! Yeah ... it's much easier to stand up and BS for 15 minutes than it is to organize facts and your ideas into a coherent and logically consistent presentation, at a level of detail appropriate for your intended audience.

quote Originally posted by fogglethorpe: I suggest that you master basic English spelling and syntax first. If I was in your class, I would not want your semi-literate essay to affect my grade.

"Mastery" probably isn't required at this point. Just more care would go about 75% of the way. Otherwise, I agree. Ideas are worthless if you can't communicate them clearly to others. (In addition to "defiantly" vs. "definitely," I also object to "bulling" in place of "bullying.")

quote Originally posted by Khw: [grammar nazi] One would think such a Nazi would understand the use of capitalisation. [/grammar nazi]

[grammar Nazi nazi]
When using "nazi" in a generic sense, capitalization is neither required nor appropriate.
[/grammar Nazi nazi]

quote Originally posted by Celthora87GT: (just trying to give her what she wants, and what she wants is stories, not so much factual information). Like I did a paper on my hometown and told alot of stories.... got an A.... Did a research paper and contradicted her.... I think the paper was better then my hometown paper... got a C... This happened with alot of class mates.

Most likely your 'C' was not for contradicting "what she wants" to hear, but rather for failing to adequately substantiate your position. I openly disagreed with a lot of my college professors, but I always did so by employing logic and invoking verifiable facts, and I almost always received an 'A' on my position papers. I can think of only one instance in which the professor retaliated with a grade lower than I had earned, and that concerned an issue of fact: An older engineering professor had stated (incorrectly) that "wrought iron and cast iron are just two different names for the same material." My mistake was to point out his error publicly, in front of the rest of the class, which both embarrassed him and, in his mind, probably challenged both his competence and his authority. (Even then, from that incident I learned a valuable lesson unrelated to engineering principles.)

quote Originally posted by lurker: oh, i do! i know the rules, i just choose to ignore them.

That's a valid position, but there is a time and place for everything. You might want to consider that your chosen style may be considered disrespectful to your readers, since it unfairly places the burden of clear and effective communication on them rather than on you, where it belongs. Your style may also convey the mistaken (IMO) impression that your thinking is equally careless.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: That's a valid position, but there is a time and place for everything. You might want to consider that your chosen style may be considered disrespectful to your readers, since it unfairly places the burden of clear and effective communication on them rather than on you, where it belongs. Your style may also convey the mistaken (IMO) impression that your thinking is equally careless.

duly noted. i would never deliberately use that style in a formal setting.

maybe we're just spreading ourselves too thin. we need to specialize. i call dibs on "defiantly". mMarvin's got capitalization. who has "there/they're/their"?

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quote Originally posted by lurker: i would never deliberately use that style in a formal setting.

Purely for myself, I try to adhere to a philosophy eloquently expressed by Colin Powell:

"If you are going to achieve excellence in big things, you develop the habit in little matters. Excellence is not an exception, it is a prevailing attitude."

quote i call dibs on "defiantly". mMarvin's got capitalization. who has "there/they're/their"?

You didn't offer, but i'll take "loose/lose" and "idea/ideal." Somebody else will have to take on the many (incorrect) variants of the French expletive, "Voilà!"

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quote Originally posted by BlackEmrald: It's ok. I love your smile.

Is there anything else you plan to take from me?

How does anyone have trouble with there/ they're/their ?
there: is a place. Not here, but there in Atlanta.
they 're: always refers to people. Contraction of they are, although the word saves no space; why bother?
their: possessive. Their cars are missing.
Now, in one sentence, used correctly:
They 're going to be back Saturday with their stuff from over there in Texas.

A lot is two words.

idea: a conception. " Hey why don't we put the 3800 in the Fiero " is an idea. Antilock brakes is an idea, or the result of an idea. " You know, we could fix it so the brakes don't lock up. "

ideal: the standard by which we judge results. No airliner crashes is the ideal.

Anything else, lurker, Marvin?

Voilà! Give the man an 'A', a gold star, and a happy face.

Do not write the topic to adhere to her own beliefs or to contradict them simply for the contradiction. Rather, you should write the subject for what you believe to be true. Caring about the subject will be a huge helping hand in your writing.

Yes, learn proper grammar, and practice it even in the forum--it will help with the essays. Don't worry about the little things though; content will give you the majority of your grade.

If it's for high school, one format gives an easy A:

Opening paragraph:
Opening sentence. A few more broad sentences. Then a closing statement to the opener that opens up three new subjects for the body paragraphs A, B, and C.
Body paragraph A:
Reiterate what A is. Make a point. Defend your point. Make a point. Defend your point. Make a point. Defend your point. Closing sentence saying this is why A is what it is.
Body paragraph B:
Reiterate what B is. Make a point. Defend your point. Make a point. Defend your point. Make a point. Defend your point. Closing sentence saying this is why B is what it is.
Body paragraph C:
Reiterate what C is. Make a point. Defend your point. Make a point. Defend your point. Make a point. Defend your point. Closing sentence saying this is why C is what it is.
Closing paragraph:
Basically repeat the closing of the opening paragraph in different words. A few more broad sentences, no new information. Closing sentence.

If it's for college, a few routes can be taken, but the above generally works if it's for a community college or if the assignment isn't very important.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: You didn't offer, but i'll take "loose/lose" and "idea/ideal." Somebody else will have to take on the many (incorrect) variants of the French expletive, "Voilà!"

Ooh ooh! I want to play. I'll take regardless and irregardless.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: [grammar Nazi nazi] When using "nazi" in a generic sense, capitalization is neither required nor appropriate. [/grammar Nazi nazi]

Yes, but when one starts a sentence, one is supposed to capitalize the first letter... Aslo when one uses "I" or any of it's conjunctions.

quote Originally posted by lurker: [grammar nazi] i'm seeing this more and more on the internet, and it irks me. "defiantly" definitely. thank you for your attention. carry on. [/grammar nazi]

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Khw, if you ignore lurker he will give up and go away.

quote Originally posted by lurker: oh, i do! i know the rules, i just choose to ignore them. at least i know which rules i'm breaking. there's a reason i do this, but it's a convoluted story, so i'll spare you the details. ok, ok, i see you (in my mind's eye) there, puzzling over what my excuse could possibly be. i offer a couple of examples. i should capitalize the word "I". but why? is it unclear in lower case? could it be mistaken for another word? i should also capitalize the first word of a sentence. but why? the first word of a sentence is either the first word of a passage, or preceded immediately by a period, question mark or exclamation point and 1 (or sometimes more) spaces. how is it unclear to leave it lower case? however, i'm all in favor of capitalizing proper nouns, and do so often. it's all about clarity of meaning. i don't think capitalization really contributes much to clear communication. or, i'm lazy. your choice. apostrophes are a completely different situation. there are contractions which are spelled exactly like other words, and confusion could ensue: won't/wont and can't/cant, for example. sometimes, the apostrophe is important. this all came about when i was a computer programmer. computers are notoriously case-sensitive, and blah blah blah.

.said the guy that doesn't even use caps in his own name.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: .said the guy that doesn't even use caps in his own name.

correct. make of it what you will.

maryjane, lurker;separated at birth? You decide.

quote Originally posted by heybjorn: Khw, if you ignore lurker he will give up and go away.

oh, no, he's not getting off that easily.

quote Originally posted by Khw: Yes, but when one starts a sentence, one is supposed to capitalize the first letter... Aslo when one uses "I" or any of it's conjunctions.

first, thank you for fixing "capitalize".
however, he apparently didn't read the entire thread. also, "aslo" isn't a word. "I" doesn't have conjunctions. finally, "it's" is a contraction, not a possessive. NOW i'm going away.

Isn't Aslo capital of Norway?

quote Originally posted by lurker: first, thank you for fixing "capitalize". however, he apparently didn't read the entire thread. also, "aslo" isn't a word. "I" doesn't have conjunctions. finally, "it's" is a contraction, not a possessive. NOW i'm going away.

Actually, I didn't say capitalize earlier in my post, I said capitalisation, which is exceptable spelled either with a z or with a s. And yes, contraction, uhg, it's been a long time since I was in a english class. As to "aslo" not being a word, you of course are correct again. It is actually a acronym for American Society of Limnology and Oceanography, which obviously makes no sense whatsoever in the sentence I typed, LOL. Like I said, I'm not one to be going all grammar nazi on someone anyways. I confuse which words mean what and... sometimes some of my fingers move faster than the others when I type.

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