We now know that the White House knew more about the attack on 9-11 than are saying. Why would they say the attack was because of a video? Why do they continue to hide the truth from us?
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Exactly, there is an election, and anything that might happen that would prove to be negative to the Obama administration, would hurt the campaign. They will try to push it off as long as humanly possible... basically at this point, they're just ignoring anything that doesn't have any election benefit. I mean, Obama isn't even an acting president right now... for now until the 6th (10 days from now), he will ignore everything, and focus purely on campaigning. If he wins the election, then he'll deal with it more frankly... if he loses the election, then it doesn't matter for him anymore anyway.
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MadMark Member
Posts: 2935 From: Owosso, Michigan, USA Registered: Feb 2010
Why is Obama and his administration lieing about the 9/11/12 attack, because it totally trashes the meme that they have been pushing that Obama has healed the problems in the Middle East and that democracies are taking over because of the Arab spring. It is pretty obvious that the Arab spring has not brought democracies into office in Egypt, Libya or anyplace else. Instead it has brought into power the more radical Muslims. Instead of making friends in the Middle East with his accomodations and his disingenous speeches that denigrated the US and the US's role in the world he has instead fostered more unrest and dissention.
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More importantly, Obama wanted to tell America that no terrorist act has been committed on his watch. He wanted the electorate not to see that he totally blew the security for his Ambassador.
And, check out how they've treated his mother to the bargain.
I keep on saying, that my American friends need to dump this guy for the good of the American people and for the benefit of North America
Arn
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Formula88 Member
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I can't beleive it is the election alone. This is very consistent with Obama's narcissism that allows him to beleive that he can change the minds of others by the shear power of his charm. I think he honestly beleived that he had Al Qeada on the run and that the middle east loves him and that the attack MUST have been some crazy reaction to a video.
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
There's not a lot that we can do in the middle east. There is change happening there and any interference that we indulge in will be as unacceptable as other countries interfering in our affairs. As far as I can see we can offer moral support to those factions that we agree with and that's about it. I do believe that we have to support Israel and that we have a big interest in seeing that Iran doesn't get the bomb, but those countries have a right to choose whatever kind of government they want. As long as they keep their activities within their own borders it is none of our business. When they cross our borders as in 9/11, then it becomes our business.
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rogergarrison Member
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Because Obama is Pro Muslim and against democracy. I think he actually thought he would totally get away with lying. He gets away with lying most of the time. Look how much support he does have.
my fav line of the day from him was at another speech....' do you want a commander in chief who lies to you or one you can trust ?" (paraphrasing) I cant figure out who he wants you to vote for...
Remember the ad for Obama that told you about the miners that were forced to attend his speech or they would lose their jobs. Those same miners made a Romney commercial as a group saying Obama LIED about it. This guy would try to tell you a white piece of paper is really red. I can see right thru his lying azz. Im amazed so many are totally blind. I dont think he can say a paragraph without getting a lie in it about anything. All his speeches are just lines and lines of lies, made up stats and other misc BS. I just cant say anything about Biden, hes just a total moron and should be institutionalized.
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Posts: 4068 From: Stafford VA Registered: Jan 2008
I can't beleive it is the election alone. This is very consistent with Obama's narcissism that allows him to beleive thathe can change the minds of others by the shear power of his charm. I think he honestly beleived that he had Al Qeada on the run and that the middle east loves him and that the attack MUST have been some crazy reaction to a video.
Yes, Yes I can. Don't worry, It's just a lollipop without the stick.
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
The Washington Times by: James S. Robbins Sunday, October 28, 2012
General Carter Ham is a very well regarded officer who made AFRICOM into a true Combatant Command after the ineffective leadership of his predecessor, General William E. "Kip" Ward.
Is an American General losing his job for trying to save the Americans besieged in Benghazi? This is the latest potential wrinkle in the growing scandal surrounding the September 11, 2012 terrorist attack that left four men dead and President Obama scrambling for a coherent explanation. ...
[O]n October 26, "Ambassador" posted the following RUMINT on TigerDroppings (h/t Jim Hoft): ...
"(The) basic principle is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on; without having some real-time information about what's taking place," Panetta told Pentagon reporters. "And as a result of not having that kind of information, the commander who was on the ground in that area, Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and I felt very strongly that we could not put forces at risk in that situation."
The information I heard today was that General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head of Africom. Read the original article at The Washington Times
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Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
More importantly, Obama wanted to tell America that no terrorist act has been committed on his watch. He wanted the electorate not to see that he totally blew the security for his Ambassador.
And, check out how they've treated his mother to the bargain.
I keep on saying, that my American friends need to dump this guy for the good of the American people and for the benefit of North America
Arn
Ive personally been trying my azz off for 4 years.
A few employees of the CIA said Thursday they were watching live video feeds from an Air Force drone for hours. Im sure Obama and his pack of cronies had the same video at the same time. So do you believe them or Obama...
They sit and sip their chosen drink and watch as American servicemen and women provide entertainment by laying their lives on the line for their country. They then vilify any soldier who steps over their "propriety" line. They lose sight of the fact that their freedom is bought and paid for by the blood of American and Canadian veterans. They think they can tax and spend and use people for their own liberal ideologies.
Yeah, you need guys like this in the White House don't you? I really feel for the Americans who have to live with this kind of reprehensible leadership. My heart goes out to my American friends who are being sold down the river to the Chinese Communists who back the financial shenanigans of the misdirected Administration and Congress.
Be sure to vote, my friends.
Arn
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fierobear Member
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They sit and sip their chosen drink and watch as American servicemen and women provide entertainment by laying their lives on the line for their country. They then vilify any soldier who steps over their "propriety" line. They lose sight of the fact that their freedom is bought and paid for by the blood of American and Canadian veterans. They think they can tax and spend and use people for their own liberal ideologies.
Seriously, besides a vote, what can we, as Americans, do to make this better? Our country is going down the toilet, and too many are taking handouts, instead of handing out. We babble about what we are given, but what can we do? Where does this start? Who is leading?
My Grandfather stormed Normandy. I think of that guy every day. Heck, I have a light from one of the Auschwitz trains sitting directly in front of me. There is so many things wrong with this nation, and I know that I did not cause this. Why do we let our politicians own us?
Originally posted by loafer87gt: But I'm sure certain individuals on the forum will say they are just a bunch of angry, racist white men and dimiss their concerns.
I'd like to see the smarmy, pussy liberals say their insulting crap to one of THOSE guy's faces. The beating would be well deserved.
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Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
Like THEIR president, they just wait for it to go away so it makes it untrue. Theyre all cowards like Obama. They cant say anything to support that which is unsupportable. Lies are lies, no matter how long you want to ignore it.
These old guys know the score. Hearing them talk about it kind of stirs the heart. How many of us had fathers, uncles, cousins, brothers who have fought for freedom? How many forum members have done the same?
How many forum members, if involved in the Oval Office would have allowed the sacrifice of the Libyan Ambassador to have occurred in the manner in which it did. I think not one, not even one would contemplate so great a dishonorable course of action.
Thanks for posting this.
Arn
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I'm sure all terrorists were thrilled to learn from Mr. Panetta that as long as they begin their attacks after dark, we won't defend ourselves until morning.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Some here remind me of that hotel commercial. "Are you a ___________?" "No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn!"
People here continue to seem to know more then the person who is there, or trained, or doing the job. Running a country, espeically. And without HALF the intell the real "doers" & "soldiers in the trenches" are privy to.
The scope & breadth of perfection in the wide-range of high-level skillsets posessed by the average Fiero owner is really quite amazing!
Or is it just perfect hindsight?
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Some here remind me of that hotel commercial. "Are you a ___________?" "No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn!"
People here continue to seem to know more then the person who is there, or trained, or doing the job. Running a country, espeically. And without HALF the intell the real "doers" & "soldiers in the trenches" are privy to.
The scope & breadth of perfection in the wide-range of high-level skillsets posessed by the average Fiero owner is really quite amazing!
Or is it just perfect hindsight?
of course it is. there is NOTHING to this stroke-fest being spewed about. not a thing. video or not changes nothing. not a thing.
the whole thread is just filled with whining & crying. not a single useful item from anyone.
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TommyRocker Member
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These old guys know the score. Hearing them talk about it kind of stirs the heart. How many of us had fathers, uncles, cousins, brothers who have fought for freedom? How many forum members have done the same?
This is kind of harsh... There haven't been any wars for freedom in my father's lifetime, let alone my own. I think if a 4th reich rose up, or some equivalent, there would be a huge amount of people like me jumping to take them down.
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Tony Kania Member
Posts: 20794 From: The Inland Northwest Registered: Dec 2008
Some here remind me of that hotel commercial. "Are you a ___________?" "No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn!"
People here continue to seem to know more then the person who is there, or trained, or doing the job. Running a country, espeically. And without HALF the intell the real "doers" & "soldiers in the trenches" are privy to.
The scope & breadth of perfection in the wide-range of high-level skillsets posessed by the average Fiero owner is really quite amazing!
Or is it just perfect hindsight?
And your random opinions on subjects warrant more than ours?
Edit: Fun post there Boonie. But, was it your children that died that day? Was it mine? No, but they were our SONS. Have more respect. ..........................................................................
Keep believing that Pyrthian. 4 dead, and the "messiah" did Nothing when he had the chance.
Some react. Some cower.
Tony
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This is kind of harsh... There haven't been any wars for freedom in my father's lifetime, let alone my own. I think if a 4th reich rose up, or some equivalent, there would be a huge amount of people like me jumping to take them down.
Wow Tommy, you and your Dad must be really young.
My father helped liberate Holland in WWII. My uncle was taken in Dieppe and was found at the end of the war in a concentration camp, weighing 85 lbs. My brother was a Cold Warrior with the Canadian Military.
I missed the whole thing, however, I didn't miss the point.
Men have fought and died for my freedom and prosperity. The Ambassador to Libya apparently died while people in the White House watched remotely by surveillance drone. No one to help, no one to prevent, no one to defend.
I don't think I'm too harsh. The facts kind of say it all
Arn
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Perhaps this is why. If true, this would be disturbing indeed. Not familiar with this website so ya'll can fact checke it out if you would like. I received this through Facebook. I felt like channeling Avengador.
Keep believing that Pyrthian. 4 dead, and the "messiah" did Nothing when he had the chance.
Some react. Some cower.
Tony
That can also be said for Pearl Harbor, 9-11, etc. etc. etc.. It's REAL easy to coulda' shoulda' woulda' AFTER the fact.
Many here should try being in the real hotseat just once, with a hundred choices and a million lives with a million consequences at stake. It's a little tougher then the ease with which many armchair he-men here declare "all the right moves".
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